2013 Tour de France, Stage 4: Nice / Nice 25km (TTT)

[Afrank]

They listed Rui as placing like 158th or something yesterday as well. What does the guy at CN that does results not like him or something.

 

[The Hitch]

They listed Rui as placing like 158th or something yesterday as well. What does the guy at CN that does results not like him or something.

Maybe the Cn results guy is Big Doopie

 

[manafana]

CN out to get RUi Costa

 

[theyoungest]

They listed Rui as placing like 158th or something yesterday as well. What does the guy at CN that does results not like him or something.

They don't like football players. And rightly so.

 

[rzombie1988]

The thing I don't like about Team Time Trials is that they count for the GC and therefore put certain people in the hole and out of the hole, when it isn't simply due to them. This isn't being a fanboy either, but it's true. JRod is already 28 seconds down, Pinot is 40 seconds down and Rolland/Vockeler are 1:13 down. While it's not impossible for these guys to win it now, they are already in the hole and they are going to have to do something big to get back in. It eliminates people unnecessarily early. These TT's are almost always going to benefit the richer teams as well.

 

[Panda Claws]

Gerrans taking everyone's victories all the time

 

[Bernie's eyesore]

Yeah, agree. Chavanel has been attacking a lot so far trying to get a stage win. Tomorrow I think actually presents a good opportunity for a late attacker like chavanel to go away in the final for the win more then it present an opportunity for sprinters like Cav.

No reason why Chav can't attack and force other teams to chase him down, that way Cav has a fresher train if he's caught and the team gets two shots at a win. It's a good thing for Cav that they got pipped today, would have been hard work for OPQS to ride on the front for the next three days and still deliver him to the finish.

 

[Boardslide]

Geraint Thomas... what a warrior. Great ride by that team, considering.

Fair play to Greenedge, although with a non-crippled Tony Martin, Steegmans, Cav, and Terpstra I think we'd have seen a different winner. I liked how the Belgian commentator said 'sh.t' when Greenedge crossed the line, they must really like Steegmans because otherwise the team is not that Belgian.

+1...............

 

[Panda Claws]

+1...............

Chelsea is an English club too, but contains many foreign players.

 

[JRanton]

Excellent performances by Orica, Saxo and Lotto.

Good efforts by Sky and OPQS in the circumstances.

Katusha ok.

Average effort by Movistar.

Garmin and BMC disappointing.

 

[gjb483]

Ted King didn't make the time cut

Hopefully we'll see him at the Vuelta.

 

[Boardslide]

Chelsea is an English club too, but contains many foreign players.

I was agreeing on the statement regarding the injuries, nothing else

 

[RedheadDane]

Conclussion 1: Tony Martin and Geraint Thomas seem to have recovered fairly well!

Conclussion 2: Is Simon Gerrans smiles any broader than he did today his face is gonna split!

Also, random thought: Funny how Lotto's time is considered a positive surprise while Garmin, with the exact same time, is considered a disapointment!
Yes, I know why, what with Garmin being a major TTTteam, but I guess it says something of the differences between the teams' expectations.

 

[Cimber]

Noval was quite strong actually and maybe without his accident they could have won.

 

[kottila]

Ted King didn't make the time cut

Hopefully we'll see him at the Vuelta.

By 6 measly seconds after doing the whole ttt injured on his own. Are they playing hardball this year? Maybe they'll throw out the grupetto if they miss the limit or penalize the sprinters for hanging on to cars

 

[JRanton]

Noval was quite strong actually and maybe without his accident they could have won.

Steady on...

 

[TheBean]

The thing I don't like about Team Time Trials is that they count for the GC and therefore put certain people in the hole and out of the hole, when it isn't simply due to them. This isn't being a fanboy either, but it's true. JRod is already 28 seconds down, Pinot is 40 seconds down and Rolland/Vockeler are 1:13 down. While it's not impossible for these guys to win it now, they are already in the hole and they are going to have to do something big to get back in. It eliminates people unnecessarily early. These TT's are almost always going to benefit the richer teams as well.

First of all, I have to give yuproper respect for your CN handle. A little Rob Zombie is good for everyone, now and then.

I agree with almost everything you said regarding a rider essentially being penalized for having a weaker T team and others being rewarded. A GC contender could gain time on his rivals on a day like today and - theoretically - bever even poke his nose into the wind. But, TTT's have been part of the sport for about a century and they are not a surprise to the DS's. So, if a team cannot manage to put a couple of strong men into their line-up for the TTT to help a GC contender, it is the fault of the management. By having today's ride be so short, the time gaims and losses are less significant than if the day were longer. This debate has been going on for many years and it will continue to be a point of celebration as well as contention.

As for the TTT favoring richer teams, however, I have to disagree. That may have been true in years past, but every team on the course today had TT specific bikes, top-end aero gear (skinsuits, helmets, discs, shoe covers, etc.).

 

[airstream]

Hopefully Noval won't be presented like an argument if Contador performs a bit worse than it's expected on Saturday.

 

[batchuba]

The thing I don't like about Team Time Trials is that they count for the GC and therefore put certain people in the hole and out of the hole, when it isn't simply due to them.

Well, it is a team sport. As long as the TTT isn't excessively long it is all good.

 

[Flamin]

Nieve crashed today apparently, the team waited for him and that's why they lost a minute in the second part (compared to 25 seconds in the first).

 

[Cimber]

Steady on...

Losing a rider half way through due to an accident will easily cost you those 4-8 secs

 

[liamito]

anybody has the individual stage results??

 

[Afrank]

anybody has the individual stage results??

Stage 4 TTT results
1 Orica-GreenEdge 25:56
2 Omega Pharma-Quick Step + 1
3 Sky + 2
4 Team Saxo-Tinkoff + 8
5 Lotto-Belisol + 16
6 Garmin-Sharp + 16
7 Movistar Team + 18
8 Lampre-Merida + 25
9 BMC + 26
10 Katusha + 27
11 RadioShack-Leopard + 28
12 Vacansoleil-DCM + 33
13 Cannondale + 34
14 Belkin + 36
15 FDjfr + 41
16 Astana + 55
17 Ag2r La Mondiale + 1:03
18 Sojasun + 1:09
19 Europcar + 1:12
20 Cofidis + 1:19
21 Euskaltel-Euskadi + 1:23
22 Argos-Shimano + 1:46

 

[Netserk]

I think you missed the word 'individual'

 

[Afrank]

Order each rider crossed the line then?