2014 Giro d'Italia, Stage 15: Valdengo-Plan Di Montecampione (225 km)

[kingjr]

Nah montecampione 98 was really fast
one. of the most savage perfornances ever,top 3 maybe
around 6,8 w/kg for marco. for 50 minutes after 7 hours in the saddle

Tbf, whenever the road went uphill he rode most of the time out of the saddle.

 

[Eshnar]

As awesome Pantani might have been, we all know that the thing that was so awesome about him came from a jar of pills or a needle. Hence he should have no place in cycling if you ask me. And that is all.

That's what you're not understanding. That was not the awesome thing about him.

 

[Dazed and Confused]

uran being in trouble doesn't imply he had a bad day. if someone has no climbing form, and finishes 20th, is that a bad day? i mean, his results at romandie weren't that flash on the mtf.

ok, I se what you mean. Lets put it this way, if yesterday's performance is "normal" with reference to next week, Uran will be blown out of the water imo.

 

[Carols]

The question was rhetorical, I am very well aware of the rules. My point was, that you can't do one thing with you right hand, and then do the opposite thing with your left hand.

As awesome Pantani might have been, we all know that the thing that was so awesome about him came from a jar of pills or a needle. Hence he should have no place in cycling if you ask me. And that is all.

Take it to the clinic......

 

[Walkman]

That's what you're not understanding. That was not the awesome thing about him.

Ok, let's say we use a time machine and go back and force Pantani to race clean. He is now being dropped like a stone on all the climbs and loose 5-10 minutes in every time trail. None would even care about him.

What would be so awesome about that?

 

[Walkman]

Take it to the clinic......

This is not intended to be a clinic discussion. I just want to know what would have been so awesome with Pantani if he wasn't a super climber? Just remove his climbing and attacking, and what do you have left?

 

[Eshnar]

He is now being dropped like a stone on all the climbs and loose 5-10 minutes in every time trail.

huh? Why should that be? Is the rest of the peloton still doping? Not fair.

 

[Carols]

This is not intended to be a clinic discussion. I just want to know what would have been so awesome with Pantani if he wasn't a super climber? Just remove his climbing and attacking, and what do you have left?

If it is Not a clinic discussion why do you keep talking about doping? That is Not allowed here!

 

[Libertine Seguros]

How do you know it was a bad day for Uran? For all we know, it may have been a (relatively) bad day from evans, and an average day from iran.

Pourseyedi and Mizbani annihilated the field, but on the Asia Tour that usually IS an average day from Iran.

 

[De Snelle Duif]

Ok about 111km to go. Break established within 35km, but it contains power.

19 Damiano Cunego (Lampre-Merida) +10:32

Cunego hasn't ridden that bad considering he lost time with a fall. I can see him entering top 10

 

[Libertine Seguros]

This is not intended to be a clinic discussion. I just want to know what would have been so awesome with Pantani if he wasn't a super climber? Just remove his climbing and attacking, and what do you have left?

what would have been awesome about Cipo if he wasn't a super sprinter? Just remove his sprinting and what do you have left?

A: a domestique and second- or third-tier Classics contender who can't get over the mountains and likes to play fancy dress.

It's the character that he brought to the sport along with his riding style that helped make him popular.

Armstrong was too ruthless, too calculating, too focused on particular goals for many people. Pantani represented to a lot of fans a more traditional, romanticised version of the sport, one man against the mountains from long distance, races that aren't super-controlled, and so on.

 

[pattycake88]

If it is Not a clinic discussion why do you keep talking about doping? That is Not allowed here!

You're not the moderator are you?

 

[Carols]

You're not the moderator are you?

Nope just someone who will report these posts to one. I come to PRR to read about racing. If I wanted to read about doping I'd go to the clinic. Read the forum rules if you are an newbie

 

[Arnout]

You're not the moderator are you?

So when you're seeing someone robbing an old lady you do nothing 'cause you're not the police?

 

[Walkman]

what would have been awesome about Cipo if he wasn't a super sprinter? Just remove his sprinting and what do you have left?

A: a domestique and second- or third-tier Classics contender who can't get over the mountains and likes to play fancy dress.

It's the character that he brought to the sport along with his riding style that helped make him popular.

Armstrong was too ruthless, too calculating, too focused on particular goals for many people. Pantani represented to a lot of fans a more traditional, romanticised version of the sport, one man against the mountains from long distance, races that aren't super-controlled, and so on.

Kind of hard to be a 'character' if you never get the chance to be one? How many interviews has Mitchell Docker done? How much coverage does he gets?

 

[Jagartrott]

If it is Not a clinic discussion why do you keep talking about doping? That is Not allowed here!

How ridiculous is this. This is doping 15 years ago and the question if you can be a hero while everyone knows you didn't ride clean.

 

[The Hitch]

ffs, evans wheelsucks against dopers. problem?

God, whenever Evans has a chance at a GT, the ubertrolls come out in full force.

So Evans, who's friends with dopers, ridden with dopers, ridden for doped teams, worked with doped doctors, praised dopers and never once spoke out against them, even continuted to praise Lance after Lance got stripped wheelsucks as some political protest against doping?

I'm sorry to our intelligent Australian posters, but some may, after reading this forum, come out with a unfairly negative view of the overall intelligence of the Australian population due to some of the **** that get's spewed here in that country's name.

Reminds me of 2010

He wasn't near the front for the last 10km.

He'll suffer tomorrow and it will be good to watch!

you show as much class as hitler

Basso gets a nice rest during the last part of this stage. That has to be good for Sunday.

so why isnt he accused of wheelsucking then.....

Because he has a teammate up front. The most basic of all cycling tactics. If he did the slightest bit of work he'd be rightly crucified as a complete moron.

Cause his teammate's up the road..

BECAUSE HIS TEAMMATE IS UP THE ROAD.

Seriously? Most people would have the decency to sneak off after having humiliated themselves with Hitler related idiocy.

tactics.. different situation...

Because it's not wheelsucking when it's sensible team tactics (he has a teammate up the road). When did Evans have a GC-hunting teammate up the road when he was being accused of being a wheelsucker?

because nibali is up front.

im still punching

Im just sick and tired of the double standards - Cadel has been ill for days and he had every right to take it easy during some of the stage but nooooo he's a wheel sucker right

but its ok for other riders.......pulease!

What I do understand is what hypocracy looks like

FFS

sportschick, don't bother with the hypocrits on this fourm.

This is not about hating Cadel. This is elementary team tactics.

Please, watch some more cycling before commenting on tactics. And while you're at it, watch some WW II documentaries as well, so you'll NEVER EVER COMPARE ANYONE TO HITLER AGAIN.

you do understand it would be pretty dumb of basso to help bring nibali back?

and his wasnt wheelsucking - it was survival of the fittest

Basso got 2nd so im sure everyone is happy

It is expected. He does not have to work in the group because of this teammate up the road. And he then steals a few seconds from the chasers.

If Evans had a teammate up the road who is also a GC contender it would have been fine with everyone. We would hang him if he chased actually. Try to understand basic tactics plz.

and if the roles were reversed we would of had a hanging by now

Hitler is already dead tbh

i was talking about evens and the double standars on this board you idiot!

FFS

Awww... Porte looks to miss out on the pink. Shame, the kid worked so hard.

hope he gets the white gurnsey at the end....so deserves it!

No, you're wrong there.

I think your bias towards all things Aussie is affecting your judgement.

That wasnt the smartest thing to say admittly - but unlike some idiots here i dont think the sun shines out of my backside

people purposefully hate riders because they need someone to bash so they can look like experts and it comforts there ego. Evans is an easy target which makes the bashers very cowardly and sad as it just gets old.

Come on, stop with this. Basso was perfectly in the right for not doing any work to chase down Nibali. How can Basso be accused of 'wheelsucking' when his goal isn't to win the stage since his teammate will?

This is rediculous. If you have a teammate up the road you do not chase. Basso did not chase and should not have chased. He did the right thing for his teammate.
I support Evans and I am an Aussie. It would please me greatly to see Evans win the Giro.

I have my Evans voodoo doll at the ready for tomorrow

you're really being overly sensitive. on the contrary, i think evans has gained new respect from a lot of people here this year.

funny way of showing it

I think ACF is making a move on sportzchick. Good luck, bro.

ACF, I know you are a devoted and passionate Cadel fan, but please understand that looking at the world through Cadel-tinted glasses affects your perspective on things.

Its me getting angry in this whole 'wheelsucking' notion and why its only Cadel that does it apparantly

Its survial of the fittest our there and really every man for himself in the end.......you cant have joint winners of a stage/tour can you?

Same **** at the 2011 Tour. 1 Evans fanboy got banned for telling people they should die

 

[jsem94]

How ridiculous is this. This is doping 15 years ago and the question if you can be a hero while everyone knows you didn't ride clean.

The answer is yes.

 

[scholar]

Whether or not it's a Clinic discussion, it'd be really nice if the discussion about whether and how it's appropriate to remember Pantani could take place outside the thread to discuss today's Giro stage, even if said stage isn't likely to get interesting for quite a while yet.

 

[Eclipse]

I should give up checking the new posts in the thread till after the coverage starts for today huh =)

 

[Yingge]

Orica now down to 3 - Docker out.

Santaromita might have his own personal Team Car, Bus, Mechanic and everything else soon.

 

[Mellow Velo]

So, the trend for the "no doping talk" rule continues to get flaunted.
More and more unacceptable posts in race threads slipping through.

About 90kms left and the break at about 7 and a half.

 

[Eshnar]

everyone, stop it. Now.

There are plenty of threads in the clinic about the topic. Pick one of them.

That goes also for Hitch's post.

 

[Matt92]

Ok, let's say we use a time machine and go back and force Pantani to race clean. He is now being dropped like a stone on all the climbs and loose 5-10 minutes in every time trail. None would even care about him.

What would be so awesome about that?

Well, that would happen only if the rest of the peloton was still doping. Pantani destroyed the likes of Ullrich, Virenque and Riis, who were notoriously as doped as he was.

Of course, that doesn't justify his doping. Still, the reason why people still love Il Pirata is that there have been thousands of doped riders, yet very few were able to do what Pantani has achieved.

EDIT: Sorry, I hadn't seen the post above. I won't continue. Feel free to delete this message.

 

[Dazed and Confused]

Orica now down to 3 - Docker out.

Santaromita might have his own personal Team Car, Bus, Mechanic and everything else soon.

lol, a 4 hour massage is on the cards.