2014 Giro d'Italia, Stage 15: Valdengo-Plan Di Montecampione (225 km)

[pattycake88]

it may come back to haunt him? seriously? evans has been a wheelsucker for all his career and just 2 weeks ago angered the whole peloton and when did it ever come back to haunt him?

ffs, evans wheelsucks against dopers. problem?
and post-2011, he's too old to stand a chance, isn't he? if this were the case, he can do whatever he wants.
more hypocrisy.

 

[Anderis]

Van Baarle DNS

No injury or anything, it was decided before the Giro that he would only race 2 weeks.

At this rate, Hesjedal will be riding without a single team-mate by the end of the race.

 

[ItalianGigolo]

and quintana wasn't spent, but how could he knoew pozzo was riding in the red. quintana is no idiot, he needs to take time on pozzovivo so why help him and then have the risk of getting dropped

This!!!

10char

 

[jens_attacks]

I don't think they were faster than the riders today, but it just looks so much faster. Maybe just Pantani's sprint-climbing style.

Nah montecampione 98 was really fast
one. of the most savage perfornances ever,top 3 maybe
around 6,8 w/kg for marco. for 50 minutes after 7 hours in the saddle
at the end ofgiro. also look at the gaps that day
the best today will go 3-4 min slower than marco if not more

 

[Dazed and Confused]

At this rate, Hesjedal will be riding without a single team-mate by the end of the race.

He can team up with Europcar.

 

[mastermind]

Rolland to win the stage! Uran striking back!

whoho, first post!

 

[manafana]

that's not what it is at all. uran and quintana are no friends either. quintana doesn't have many friends in colombian peloton

all he did yesterday was sprint to finish and pozzo couldn't follow. it wasn't an attack

uran put up quintana when he first moved to europe and looked after him not friends in columbia but they made friends pretty quick in Europe.

ANyway today will show if Uran had a bad day or just doesn't have the climbing legs. Evans is the bigger loser I feel that he could only get 5 seconds on a poor day for Uran.

 

[willbick]

Nah montecampione 98 was really fast
one. of the most savage perfornances ever,top 3 maybe
around 6,8 w/kg for marco. for 50 minutes after 7 hours in the saddle
at the end ofgiro. also look at the gaps that day
the best today will go 3-4 min slower than marco if not more

Its strange that Armstrong is now vilified yet Pantani is still seen as some sort of legend

 

[Hakkapelit]

Its strange that Armstrong is now vilified yet Pantani is still seen as some sort of legend

Dunno about Pantani, but Armstrong hadnt mayby the most likable of personas.

 

[willbick]

Dunno about Pantani, but Armstrong hadnt mayby the most likable of personas.

Well they were probably pretty similar. Both willing to go to extremes to be the 'best'

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

Its strange that Armstrong is now vilified yet Pantani is still seen as some sort of legend

what's strange about it? Armstrong acted as arrogant ******* to a lot of people.
While Pantani was a likeable guy..

It's the same reason why many Dutch people hate T.Dekker, because he was arrogant and bratty (although i liked that) and still love Boogerd, who was a nice guy. They both did the same sort of doping... but the reaction is different

The only ones who complain about how Armstrong is treated instead of Pantani are anglo-saxons... lol

 

[Hakkapelit]

Well they were probably pretty similar. Both willing to go to extremes to be the 'best'

What I ment was that Armstrong became somthing of a bully in the peleton, Pantanis heydays were a bit to early for me to remeber so I'm unsure of his image in the wider picture at the time.

 

[ciranda]

also why on earth did tonkov take turns with marco?cracked big time on finale.
but the speed was insane.

Because he had won the day before (maybe not the day before, can't remember) on Alpe di Pampeago? Maybe the only time someone could stay with a hundred percent Pantani to an uphill finish. And he even beat him. Tonkov was awesome.

 

[willbick]

what's strange about it? Armstrong acted as arrogant ******* to a lot of people.
While Pantani was a likeable guy..

It's the same reason why many Dutch people hate T.Dekker, because he was arrogant and bratty (although i liked that) and still love Boogerd, who was a nice guy. They both did the same sort of doping... but the reaction is different

The only ones who complain about how Armstrong is treated instead of Pantani are anglo-saxons... lol

Im not complaining lol

 

[Walkman]

what's strange about it? Armstrong acted as arrogant ******* to a lot of people.
While Pantani was a likeable guy..

It's the same reason why many Dutch people hate T.Dekker, because he was arrogant and bratty (although i liked that) and still love Boogerd, who was a nice guy. They both did the same sort of doping... but the reaction is different

The only ones who complain about how Armstrong is treated instead of Pantani are anglo-saxons... lol

How does that even matter?!

Pantani still destroyed many careers by setting impossible standards. All dopers are equally guilty. Armstrong may have been a douchbag deluxe, but Pantani still ruined a lot of young riders hopes and dreams.

The guys should not be anywhere near the Giro or cycling for that matter. He is a farce. But I guess this is how they do it in Italy.

How can we trust countries like Italy do be anti-doping when they salute ex-dopers?

 

[Yingge]

Its strange that Armstrong is now vilified yet Pantani is still seen as some sort of legend

Armstrong was a brash individual from the day he entered the old Motorola Team. Hard to like him - though most of the USA did it seems, until recent events soured their taste.

Pantani on the other hand was able to light up a Stage when the road pointed upwards, sometimes taking off 'like the proverbial scalded cat'. I have a memory of an Alpe D'Huez stage when he jumped at the foot and left the rest standing (and from memory did not win the stage, but sure livened it up). Not to mention that wet stage in the 1998 Tour when he humiliated Ullrich.

 

[Eshnar]

How can we trust countries like Italy do be anti-doping when they salute ex-dopers?

Don't, it's a lot better to trust the other countries. Look at how many dopers they catch yearly.

Let's drop the discussion, shall we. There's another subforum for that.

 

[Dazed and Confused]

Ok about 111km to go. Break established within 35km, but it contains power.

19 Damiano Cunego (Lampre-Merida) +10:32
29 Andre Cardoso (Garmin-Sharp) +27:53
40 Maxime Bouet (AG2R La Mondiale) +39:57
82 Rodriguez (AND) +1:21:22
84 Simon Geschke (Giant-Shimano) +1:22:39
86 Torres (COL) +1:25:48
87 Johan Le Bon (FDJ.fr) +1:26:10
88 Adam Hansen (Lotto Belisol) +1:27:00
111 Fabio Felline (Trek Factory Racing) +1:49:13
118 Luca Paolini (Katusha) +1:53:17
129 Barbin (BAR) +2:00:07
140 Daniele Ratto (Cannondale) +2:10:25

Pace has been solid, just over 44 km/h for the first two hours.

Gap 7 minutes or so and Cunego will make sure it doesn't widen too much.

Long tough day on the cards.

 

[pattycake88]

uran put up quintana when he first moved to europe and looked after him not friends in columbia but they made friends pretty quick in Europe.

ANyway today will show if Uran had a bad day or just doesn't have the climbing legs. Evans is the bigger loser I feel that he could only get 5 seconds on a poor day for Uran.

How do you know it was a bad day for Uran? For all we know, it may have been a (relatively) bad day from evans, and an average day from iran.

 

[The Hitch]

that's not what it is at all. uran and quintana are no friends either. quintana doesn't have many friends in colombian peloton

 

[Dazed and Confused]

How do you know it was a bad day for Uran? For all we know, it may have been a (relatively) bad day from evans, and an average day from iran.

Presumable by using his

Uran was clearly in trouble yesterday.

 

[jens_attacks]

the breakaway should start the climb with at least 5 minutes if they want to have a shot at the win. it won't happen, i think ag2r and movistar will chase

 

[hughmoore]

Pantani on the other hand was able to light up a Stage when the road pointed upwards, sometimes taking off 'like the proverbial scalded cat'. I have a memory of an Alpe D'Huez stage when he jumped at the foot and left the rest standing (and from memory did not win the stage, but sure livened it up). Not to mention that wet stage in the 1998 Tour when he humiliated Ullrich.

Is that similar to when Ricardo Ricco rode away from Evans in 2008?


Hugh

 

[pattycake88]

Presumable by using his



Uran was clearly in trouble yesterday.

uran being in trouble doesn't imply he had a bad day. if someone has no climbing form, and finishes 20th, is that a bad day? i mean, his results at romandie weren't that flash on the mtf.

 

[Walkman]

Don't, it's a lot better to trust the other countries. Look at how many dopers they catch yearly.

Let's drop the discussion, shall we. There's another subforum for that.

The question was rhetorical, I am very well aware of the rules. My point was, that you can't do one thing with you right hand, and then do the opposite thing with your left hand.

As awesome Pantani might have been, we all know that the thing that was so awesome about him came from a jar of pills or a needle. Hence he should have no place in cycling if you ask me. And that is all.