2015 Giro d'Italia, St. 8: Fiuggi – Campitello Matese 186 km

[Alexandre B.]

Landa is at Contador - Porte level and Cataldo is not far behind. I'm surprised, to say the least.

 

[JRanton]

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Contador looked like he was suffering like a dog.

His rivals will regret missing this opportunity.

They tried to attack and Contador responded. Not sure what else they were supposed to do?

 

[More Strides than Rides]

This was not an indicative stage for anything. Contador didn't attack, Aru attacked once, and Porte once.

As they rack up the racing and climbing k's, their ability to sustain and attack, or to react, will change.

 

[Jagartrott]

Strange Astana 'tactics'.

 

[The_Cheech]

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Nice win by Beñat!

By the way; let's now finally agree that dislocated joints are usually not very serious - like everybody who has experience with them has been saying all the time already - and Contador is more or less fine so we can stop making a drama about his shoulder........

FWIW there were plenty of people who said they had had a shoulder dislocation and had issues for weeks, massive pain etc and couldn't move arm, so there is clearly a big difference between individual cases.

Noooot true!

Dislocations alone are not that painful. It´s the inflamation and/or infection that can be really painfull.

 

[Hugo Koblet]

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[...] Aru will probably be the one attacking first but in the end Contador will be the one taking time on Aru and Porte.

I told you

 

[doperhopper]

Was Landa launched just to neutralize these bonus seconds?

 

[winkybiker]

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So if Landa had sat up and let Artu take 3rd, would Aru be pink jersey?

Yep

Wouldn't he be 2nd, behind Contador but with the same time?

My understanding is that Aru would have picked up 8 seconds for third, putting him in the lead by 4 seconds.

 

[Netserk]

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Contador looked like he was suffering like a dog.

His rivals will regret missing this opportunity.

They tried to attack and Contador responded. Not sure what else they were supposed to do?

Well, they mostly paced him. I don't think Sky should've chased after Landa. It's important to force Contador to chase. Then if they all stand still, they can trade attacks.

 

[LaFlorecita]

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So if Landa had sat up and let Artu take 3rd, would Aru be pink jersey?

Yep

Wouldn't he be 2nd, behind Contador but with the same time?

Hmmm I would think they would decide a leader on positions in previous stages?

 

[JRanton]

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Astana has huge advantage in numbers, but couldn't utilize it fully today.
Sky really lacks a sense for racing. Should Richie has been little less enthusiastic and if Astana has lined its numbers differently - they all could have gained some time on Contador.

What? How do you work that out?

You're all buying the BS about Contador being injured when he evidently isn't. He's fine.

 

[Maaaaaaaarten]

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FWIW there were plenty of people who said they had had a shoulder dislocation and had issues for weeks, massive pain etc and couldn't move arm, so there is clearly a big difference between individual cases.

True but you could see Contador dancing on the bike and his his shoulder already multiple times, so clearly it wasn't that bad.

I also have a friend who got a dislocated shoulder and needed serious painkillers a few days after and couldn't really use his shoulder for a couple of weeks. But he actually damaged some stuff and his shoulder because of the dislocation and that was also the diagnosis of the doctor. If Contador had said 'I dislocated my shoulder and I damaged a ligament' or something, I would've been inclined to take it more seriously.

But anyway, for whatever doubt remained, it was good to see Contador is indeed not hurt too bad and we still have a nice three way battle in the Giro.

(Although, to be honest, I still don't believe Porte can be consistent for three weeks. So I suspect it will be just between Aru and Contador)

 

[Sasquatch]

Contador will be fine. He's playing the injury up!

 

[The_Cheech]

First test passed. I really do not know what Aru and Porte are waiting for. Alberto is only going to get stronger, and it´s public knowledge that everyone goes all-out the first real mountain stage.

Little by little there will be a selection here and there and, provided nothing funky takes place, Alberto will be in the top 3.

And if Alberto gets to the Mortirolo fighting for the MR, even my dog can guarantee you it´ll be a looooooong third week for everyone.

 

[LaFlorecita]

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So if Landa had sat up and let Artu take 3rd, would Aru be pink jersey?

Yep

Wouldn't he be 2nd, behind Contador but with the same time?

My understanding is that Aru would have picked up 8 seconds for third, putting him in the lead by 4 seconds.

Bonus seconds are 10-6-4, not 20-12-8 like a few years ago

 

[Netserk]

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So if Landa had sat up and let Artu take 3rd, would Aru be pink jersey?

Yep

Wouldn't he be 2nd, behind Contador but with the same time?

My understanding is that Aru would have picked up 8 seconds for third, putting him in the lead by 4 seconds.

It's 10-6-4, not 20-12-8.

 

[TheGreenMonkey]

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Yet again more proof that there is little between the 3 favourites.

I don't know. 2010 Tour for example first stage mountain stage to Morzine was really really hard, and raced hard, to the point that Armstrong lost 10 minutes. But 10 gc riders managed to finish together.

The next day 2 finished together, the 3rd finished 1.20, 3 more gc riders finished around 2.30, a fewmore at 3.30, the yellow jersey lost 10 minutes, you never know, and this wasn't even that hard a stage.

The yellow jersey had an injured elbow.

 

[LaFlorecita]

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FWIW there were plenty of people who said they had had a shoulder dislocation and had issues for weeks, massive pain etc and couldn't move arm, so there is clearly a big difference between individual cases.

True but you could see Contador dancing on the bike and his his shoulder already multiple times, so clearly it wasn't that bad.

I also have a friend who got a dislocated shoulder and needed serious painkillers a few days after and couldn't really use his shoulder for a couple of weeks. But he actually damaged some stuff and his shoulder because of the dislocation and that was also the diagnosis of the doctor. If Contador had said 'I dislocated my shoulder and I damaged a ligament' or something, I would've been inclined to take it more seriously.

But anyway, for whatever doubt remained, it was good to see Contador is indeed not hurt too bad and we still have a nice three way battle in the Giro.

(Although, to be honest, I still don't believe Porte can be consistent for three weeks. So I suspect it will be just between Aru and Contador)

I agree with you, no additional damage was mentioned and if that was the case I doubt he would still be riding, so it was obviously not terrible. But he still performed very well IMO as you could see he wasn't 100% this is the worst Contador we're going to see this Giro and Aru and porte could not get rid of him despite trying

 

[Squirbos_19]

Bit of an odd stage with the GC guys with Caruso and Cunego finishing 10sec down from the maglia rosa group. As well as Quran and Cataldo riding well. At the moment I can't see Porte or Aru attacking and staying away, the 2 MTF they haven't convinced me, then again neither has Contador, his attack on stage 5 was the best so far of the GC men, but still wasn't good enough to stay away.

I'm beginning to think the time-trial is going to be the decider, this favours Porte and Uran, but with a 60km TT who knows.

 

[Velolover2]

Two wins for Movistar in one day.

 

[Taxus4a]

Re: 2015 Giro d'Italia, St. 8: Fiuggi – Campitello Matese 18

Very special day for me becouse I treated a lot with Intxausti in Vuelta 2010, Landa is almost a friend, Rigo is the rider I have follow more since he started, and I am happy as well to see Contador with any problem. Amador as well is a friend of a friend, so... what can I say:

W IL GIRO.

Thank you riders for this day

I would like to explain why Landa did that, but I cant. Maybe the future will talk. Anyway he will lose a lot in the ITT, he is not good in the plain at all.

 

[Rollthedice]

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Landa is at Contador - Porte level and Cataldo is not far behind. I'm surprised, to say the least.

I would say the other way around. Contador has to step up his game if he wants to have a chance with Froome, Nibs and Nairito.

 

[The_Cheech]

Re: 2015 Giro d'Italia, St. 8: Fiuggi – Campitello Matese 18

Very special day for me becouse I treated a lot with Intxausti in Vuelta 2010, Landa is almost a friend, Rigo is the rider I have follow more since he started, and I am happy as well to see Contador with any problem. Amador as well is a friend of a friend, so... what can I say:

W IL GIRO.

Thank you riders for this day

I would like to explain why Landa did that, but I cant. Maybe the future will talk. Anyway he will lose a lot in the ITT, he is not good in the plain at all.

That dude to the right needs to get his teeth fixed.

Either that or don´t smile.

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

Aru looked worse to me then Contador, Porte or Uran today.


But Astana is really strong, 3 men in the top 6

 

[Arredondo]

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Landa is at Contador - Porte level and Cataldo is not far behind. I'm surprised, to say the least.

I would say the other way around. Contador has to step up his game if he wants to have a chance with Froome, Nibs and Nairito.

Froome and Nairito didn't convice me really in the spring too.