2015 Giro d'Italia Stage 15: Marostica–Madonna di Campiglio

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Libertine Seguros said:
Escarabajo said:
Libertine Seguros said:
Beñat and Bananito in the break. I thought about maybe Kruijswijk, but he went surprisingly deep today so presumably isn't as interested in the GPM as I thought he might be. Geschke maybe, but I can't see him staying with the former two if they fight out Daone.
That is a given. The fight for the KOM shirt is heating up!!
Isn't it nice to have a couple of genuine climbers feuding over it day after day?
I am more excited about that than the fight for GC!
 
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Eshnar said:
Eshnar said:
Dazed and Confused said:
No_Balls said:
Full day broadcast tomorrow?

No way.
Too costly for the Giro unfortunately.
I just hope they'll do it on Tuesday.
Not that I could follow it anyway, but... :eek:
Actually it seems they WILL show the whole race tomorrow. Trying to get more info...

Now that would be fantastic.
I have to do some paint work, better get the schedule right.
 
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Eshnar said:
Eshnar said:
Dazed and Confused said:
No_Balls said:
Full day broadcast tomorrow?

No way.
Too costly for the Giro unfortunately.
I just hope they'll do it on Tuesday.
Not that I could follow it anyway, but... :eek:
Actually it seems they WILL show the whole race tomorrow. Trying to get more info...

Some wonderful news there. Please share with us when they are going live tomorrow.
 
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the weather should improve a bit, but showers are still likely for the 2nd part of the race.

http://www.3bmeteo.com/giornale-meteo/meteo-giro--15--tappa--marostica--madonna-di-campiglio-69899
 
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GoGarmin said:
You've got to think at least one of the Astana riders will go hard on the Daone climb to pressure Bert's team. In any case Astana needs time in the mountains and have cards to play.

Given the chaotic nature of the first two weeks, anything is possible in this Giro. Can't wait for the final week.
Either Kreuziger has lost his time trial magic or he saved himself today for the work ahead of him. Either way I'm expecting Rogers / Kreuziger to neutralize any Astana attacks.
 
As it is now, when Aru goes, Contador follows, and when Landa or Cataldo go, one of the other top 10 riders will have to react, as they're not the one who can drop them when they want and they are not the one with 5 minutes to burn. Only chance is to isolate Contador on the first two climbs of the Mortirolo stage and have your secondary GC riders ride away in another group. But that won't happen, Kreuziger would still be there to do a bunch of work.
 
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deValtos said:
If Astana can isolate Contador on the Daone things might get interesting.


Even if they isolate him, when have they shown in this race that they can actually put any real pressure on him?

I don't think that is realistic thinking.
 
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Escarabajo said:
Libertine Seguros said:
Escarabajo said:
Libertine Seguros said:
Beñat and Bananito in the break. I thought about maybe Kruijswijk, but he went surprisingly deep today so presumably isn't as interested in the GPM as I thought he might be. Geschke maybe, but I can't see him staying with the former two if they fight out Daone.
That is a given. The fight for the KOM shirt is heating up!!
Isn't it nice to have a couple of genuine climbers feuding over it day after day?
I am more excited about that than the fight for GC!
Then we shall have a friendly feud: I'm firmly pro-Beñat and will be gutted if he doesn't hold on to it.
 
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No_Balls said:
Eshnar said:
Eshnar said:
Dazed and Confused said:
No_Balls said:
Full day broadcast tomorrow?

No way.
Too costly for the Giro unfortunately.
I just hope they'll do it on Tuesday.
Not that I could follow it anyway, but... :eek:
Actually it seems they WILL show the whole race tomorrow. Trying to get more info...

Some wonderful news there. Please share with us when they are going live tomorrow.

try tune in to RAI since they are the one who broadcast the race. I bet watching from moto 2 alone is already giving the peloton coverage uninterruptedly. (moto 2 stayed with peloton)
 
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Libertine Seguros said:
Escarabajo said:
Libertine Seguros said:
Escarabajo said:
Libertine Seguros said:
Beñat and Bananito in the break. I thought about maybe Kruijswijk, but he went surprisingly deep today so presumably isn't as interested in the GPM as I thought he might be. Geschke maybe, but I can't see him staying with the former two if they fight out Daone.
That is a given. The fight for the KOM shirt is heating up!!
Isn't it nice to have a couple of genuine climbers feuding over it day after day?
I am more excited about that than the fight for GC!
Then we shall have a friendly feud: I'm firmly pro-Beñat and will be gutted if he doesn't hold on to it.
We'll see. Betancur is really improving. However, he might get tired towards the end of the week.
 
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Escarabajo said:
People has been talking about the isolation of Contador. LOL. That tactic has never ever work in a GT. There are several reasons why not but don't want to get into details. Anyway, Contador has this in the bag.

Could work if you've multiple threats (in your team) and a parcours with mountains and flat parts all over the place. Then you need those threats strong enough to attack and the leader's team needs to be rather weak where he's isolated rather quick.

Then you need the gc leader to be not godlike otherwise it'll almost never work (unless he gets quickly nervours and forgets to eat). Furthermore you need to hope other teams won't benefit a chase.

That's imo the main conditions for it to work. Very hard indeed to fulfill :D
 
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Miburo said:
Escarabajo said:
People has been talking about the isolation of Contador. LOL. That tactic has never ever work in a GT. There are several reasons why not but don't want to get into details. Anyway, Contador has this in the bag.

Could work if you've multiple threats (in your team) and a parcours with mountains and flat parts all over the place. Then you need those threats strong enough to attack and the leader's team needs to be rather weak where he's isolated rather quick.

Then you need the gc leader to be not godlike otherwise it'll almost never work (unless he gets quickly nervours and forgets to eat). Furthermore you need to hope other teams won't benefit a chase.

That's imo the main conditions for it to work. Very hard indeed to fulfill :D

Saeco ganging up on Popovych when Cunego won the Giro is about the nearest thing to this I can think of. Super U couldn't beat LeMond when the only other guy that finished on his team was a sprinter, Planckaert (but then they didn't really have multiple threats). Astana are very strong, but Bertie is a different proposition to Popovych.

Anyway, as for today's (already) stage, I expect many of the usual suspects mentioned above will be in the break. I think Kruijswijk and Hesjedal will keep their powder dry after riding a hard TT, but, if they feel good, may launch a pre-emptive strike before the big hitters really accelerate. However, I think Astana will ride the penultimate climb hard. If Bertie is isolated at the bottom of the climb, then that's Astana's time to attack, since it is a steady climb where drafting does at least give a little benefit.

Anyway, that's enough procycling manager. Bertie will assert himself tomorrow on the steep bit a couple of kms out
 
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Libertine Seguros said:
Escarabajo said:
Libertine Seguros said:
Escarabajo said:
Libertine Seguros said:
Beñat and Bananito in the break. I thought about maybe Kruijswijk, but he went surprisingly deep today so presumably isn't as interested in the GPM as I thought he might be. Geschke maybe, but I can't see him staying with the former two if they fight out Daone.
That is a given. The fight for the KOM shirt is heating up!!
Isn't it nice to have a couple of genuine climbers feuding over it day after day?
I am more excited about that than the fight for GC!
Then we shall have a friendly feud: I'm firmly pro-Beñat and will be gutted if he doesn't hold on to it.

Benat or Betancur will win it. A bolter like Pirazzi or another climber won't win it. Whoever is leading after Tuesday will hold onto it and it should be Benat. The only way Betancur gets maximum votes is on the final climbs when he rides away from Intxausti. But that won't be enough.
 
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Escarabajo said:
People has been talking about the isolation of Contador. LOL. That tactic has never ever work in a GT. There are several reasons why not but don't want to get into details. Anyway, Contador has this in the bag.
guess you didn't see the 2005 vuelta :rolleyes:
 
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Tank Engine said:
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Saeco ganging up on Popovych when Cunego won the Giro is about the nearest thing to this I can think of. Super U couldn't beat LeMond when the only other guy that finished on his team was a sprinter, Planckaert (but then they didn't really have multiple threats). Astana are very strong, but Bertie is a different proposition to Popovych.
Liberty Seguros, 2005 Vuelta. That's the best example I can think of, with 4 Liberty guys in the attack moves, and them literally stopping by the side of the road waiting for Heras to ride across while Menchov's depleted Rabo team collapsed all around him.
 
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Hi all, long time reader, first time contributor so bear with me, just curious why some of the "bigger" teams did not send their A list teams to this instead of le tour, are commercial obligations and visibility worth so much at the tour than having a potential podium at the giro. Have always loved the giro but for me despite great routes over last number of years it's almost as though it's getting less of an entrant field than even the vuelta., will nail my colours to the mast am a bmc fan but cannot understand their thinking of team selection this year. Van Garderen is a good cyclist, will be lucky to come top 10 in this years tour however due to route and quality of completion, however switch him to giro and I would put him at uran level with chance of podium and then go again at vuelta with competitors who were in Tour de France not as rested as he is for that. Sanchez if team leader in the tour would do as well as van garderen in a mountainous route I reckon, I just can't fathom logic behind this outside of commerciality, Caruso is doing a good job to be fair but TJ may be a level above, not just true of BMC mind, talansky is another cyclist but not elite, should he have not been entered to giro and vuelta rather than tour where he will be under pressure to come top 10, as this years tour is very elite cyclist heavy I thought for these guys and some others (I would love to see PInot in Giro but can understand as being French and team French he he has to go tour), Keldermann, 1 of Bardet or Peraud, etc.
 
Re: 2015 Giro d'Italia Stage 15: Marostica–Madonna di Campig

Giro is over as long as Alberto does not crash hard or something like that. But that is why he still needs to concentrate on Giro and not TdF yet. Doesn't have to ride too hard but can't lose his focus on the moment.
 
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Ryo Hazuki said:
if contador is any smart. he will not do anything anymore and save as much as he can

That has been his usual pattern in the past in similar circumstances. But I would still like to see him go for 1 stage. But yes, the smarter tactic is as you state and he has followed that.