2015 Giro, St. 6: Montecatini – Castiglione della Pescaia

[Gigs_98]

Re: 2015 Giro, St. 6: Montecatini – Castiglione della Pescai

I am not the biggest contador fan but I really hope he won't abandon because I think this giro without AC would be much more boring.

 

[Electress]

Didn't he somersault over the handlebars or something? Though he did cycle in. Still, adrenalin will do a lot. Whatever, it has to massively affect his chances.

Colli's arm was absolutely horrifying. Just ghastly. Poor guy.

 

[shalgo]

There really is no good reason not to award all riders the same time if they are in the lead group with 3 km to go in a sprint stage of a GT. It is pure idiocy that this rule is not in place.

 

[Jagartrott]

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Sprint finishes shouldnt even be in cycling. Biggest waste of time. Go to the track

I agree.....never liked them!!!

What nonsense.
They're part of cycling, and it's up to the riders to take more or less risks.

A sprint can be very exciting to watch and it's something completely different than on the track.

 

[Stelvio]

Dude in white shirt. No camera, no crash (at least not this one).

 

[Happy dude]

Tinkoff will be kicking themselves that they chased down kreuziger in a 10 minute break. Madness

 

[Hugo Koblet]

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Tinkoff will be kicking themselves that they chased down kreuziger in a 10 minute break. Madness

Indeed. That was madness no matter what. Kreuziger with a 10 minute lead would have won the 2013 Tour for crying out loud.

 

[movingtarget]

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Sprint finishes shouldnt even be in cycling. Biggest waste of time. Go to the track

I agree.....never liked them!!!

What nonsense.
They're part of cycling, and it's up to the riders to take more or less risks.

A sprint can be very exciting to watch and it's something completely different than on the track.

Well they need a stage winner. I bet if it was Gerrans falling, for some it would be cause for celebration. Sprints are always dangerous and the riders are fully aware of that but then again so is descending down a mountain, even more so, or riding on cobbles.

 

[Eshnar]

can't you guys *** read? NO PICS OF THE BROKEN ARM

 

[Taxus4a]

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Theatre again with his real lesion or true?. You never know with him. If he is not ok, he has a good option to get ready for the Tour, and do double Tour-Vuelta...and alow Kreuziger to be the leader, bepcouse ha has showed at the level of the best. if he is OK, he can lose time this weekend for the crash, but no excuses for later after the rest day.

You seem extremely concerned that people are going to use this crash to try and claim it was the reason Contador wasn't at his best, should that be the case.

But you're simply wrong. There is a reason the odds he's winning the Giro have plummeted. That reason is not that there will be "no excuses after the rest day".

I mean, take Froome. One Crash and his climbing approaches that of Marcel Kittel. Crashes lower peak performance even when benign.

It is depend the stuacion, but it is as you say. Landa crashed last year (he is not so mediatic, so nobody noticed that or remember it) and his Giro changed, The same has happend with him several times in his career. Urñan has had very bad luck in some key points as well, mainly in his first years.

But Landa wanst the leader, no so attention to heal him no so well protected, doesnt mind iif he lost time. But he was ok some days.

If Contador has no injuries, he will suffer this weekend but he should be ok after the rest day, it was like that when his Knee injury in the Tour, there was a day he attacked and dropped Andy, he suffered in the Pyrinees, but Once he showed he was strong again, I cant see relation with that in the Galibier day. He was the favourite for a lot of people that day.

if he has a dislocated shoulder and some hits around the body, although he get on and off his bike quickly after the crash and he was on the podium, he should abandon and not to be speculating of how is his condition afected by the crash. If he has no, he must pass this bad 3 days, maybe lose time, and later there is no excuses, and there is another rest day more.

When you have a dislocated shouder you feel pain, you are not on the podium talking with the girls, so at the moment I think is his usual theatre, although he has a hard crash, no doubt, and it is a pity.

Uran crashed as well, I dont know about him. I think he is ok.

 

[Volderke]

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Dude in white shirt. No camera, no crash (at least not this one).

you see how close he was to the barrier that suddenly moved axis about 30cm in front of him? That was probably the reason the photographer deemed that place safe to lean over a bit.

I am not saying he was free to lean over and look through the viewfinder (always a bad idea in a race), but if you see sharply, the women behind him also hit Colli with her (small) camera.
So sue the woman, too?

 

[Vino's Mum]

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Dude in white shirt. No camera, no crash (at least not this one).

It's not so easy to see from your clip, but it seems pretty clear that Colli's helmet catches a long lens, which then spins up in the air:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=28&v=2Ab7DxZJjrM

Nasty.

 

[Taxus4a]

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Tinkoff will be kicking themselves that they chased down kreuziger in a 10 minute break. Madness

Indeed. That was madness no matter what. Kreuziger with a 10 minute lead would have won the 2013 Tour for crying out loud.

That had no sense and it is a big mistake, a team chasing his own rider that was pulling. Simoni was more permisive with Cunego than that.

 

[Jagartrott]

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It's not so easy to see from your clip, but it seems pretty clear that Colli's helmet catches a long lens, which then spins up in the air

Exactly.
Why was he still holding that camera with that lens when the riders were already at half a meter from him - shoddy camera-skills.

 

[carton]

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Dude in white shirt. No camera, no crash (at least not this one).

This clip changes my take a bit. It might be immaterial to the actual cause of the crash but the guy wiping off his lens at the end while riders were crashing in front of him really rubs me the wrong way.

 

[Mongolian Torque]

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It's not so easy to see from your clip, but it seems pretty clear that Colli's helmet catches a long lens, which then spins up in the air

Exactly.
Why was he still holding that camera with that lens when the riders were already at half a meter from him - shoddy camera-skills.

Contador (with his good arm) should take that camera and shove up it that guys arse so he is the first backwards facing photographer...

I can't believe that happened and yet I can...stoopid class of spectators.

Rules should be written for watching professional races...

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

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Sprint finishes shouldnt even be in cycling. Biggest waste of time. Go to the track

I agree.....never liked them!!!

Yes sure.

And I think the idea of taking time at the 3 or 10 km mark for CG contenders is also too risky. Imagine the guys would fight it out there to get the last touch on the peloton... Better would be to take the time at the 50 km mark, and everybody takes a break for lunch, says hello to the helicopter guy... hell no, skip cycling all together. How about that?

My opinion? If a race is 150 km long and finishes after 150 km, it should end there. For everybody.
As some lone quality poster said: It´s the fault of CG guys wanting to be "safe" at the front.... Just have a look at GT flat stages. Seldom is there a gap for the last 50 riders of the peloton. And if it is, it´s once or twice per GT.

 

[Kwibus]

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Dude in white shirt. No camera, no crash (at least not this one).

It's not so easy to see from your clip, but it seems pretty clear that Colli's helmet catches a long lens, which then spins up in the air:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=28&v=2Ab7DxZJjrM

Nasty.

It's not enough, but that guy with the camera certainly has atleast a black eye.

 

[shalgo]

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It's not so easy to see from your clip, but it seems pretty clear that Colli's helmet catches a long lens, which then spins up in the air:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=28&v=2Ab7DxZJjrM

Nasty.

Yes, you can see it much more clearly there. I don't know if Colli would have been able to fit through the space where the barriers narrowed there (he was certainly cutting it very close), but he never had the chance even to try, because he lost his balance when his head hit the camera lens. Awful.

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

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Dude in white shirt. No camera, no crash (at least not this one).

Once they find this spectator... oh, oh, guys google for the Cubs fan who caught a ball inbounds. He had to leave the city of Chicago aftet serious & ongoing death threats. His life was never the same again... Thus, somehow I already feel sorry for this camera guy.

 

[WoutW]

Is Contador spanish for cry.baby?
What do you mean. he couldn't get into his pink jersey?
How did he get into his fresh Tinkoff outfit after the finish? Did his mama help him?

 

[LaFlorecita]

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Is Contador spanish for cry.baby?
What do you mean. he couldn't get into his pink jersey?
How did he get into his fresh Tinkoff outfit after the finish? Did his mama help him?

Maybe not his mama, but possibly a soigneur he's got a dislocation/subluxation, that hurts like HELL

 

[DBotero]

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Sprint finishes shouldnt even be in cycling. Biggest waste of time. Go to the track

I agree.....never liked them!!!

Yes sure.

And I think the idea of taking time at the 3 or 10 km mark for CG contenders is also too risky. Imagine the guys would fight it out there to get the last touch on the peloton... Better would be to take the time at the 50 km mark, and everybody takes a break for lunch, says hello to the helicopter guy... hell no, skip cycling all together. How about that?

My opinion? If a race is 150 km long and finishes after 150 km, it should end there. For everybody.
As some lone quality poster said: It´s the fault of CG guys wanting to be "safe" at the front.... Just have a look at GT flat stages. Seldom is there a gap for the last 50 riders of the peloton. And if it is, it´s once or twice per GT.

Got to agree with this.If the GC guys are dumb and can't stay out of harm's way they are to blame.You can't stay there with the sprinters and hope if there is a crash you'll be ok.The problem is that they prefer to assume this risk then to lose a few seconds,which as you said is rarely going to happen anyway.

 

[bajbar]

Actually, the reason Contador did not put on the maglia rosa was not due to pain, but because he had ice on the shoulder and could not maneuver the arm (as said by Stefano Feltrin).

 

[Carols]

Well I was overreacting at the time, having just finished watching the stage. That guy with the arm bent the wrong way was nauseating....and the race leader is walking around in a sling. Regardless I've always found flat stages boring, which is why I was out and about and watched the final 5km only when I came home. Had there been wind or something I could have always reversed as I recorded the entire stage.

Taking the time at the 3km would solve a lot of the problems. It lets the GC guys get the heck out of the melee that is a sprint. Let the sprint trains do their thing and I'll just watch the last 5km.