2015 Tour de Suisse Stage 2 Risch-Rotkreuz - Risch-Rotkreuz

[Cance > TheRest]

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Wtf, Katusha and Astana? You had two riders, you have to mark the move!

Well, Astana is not that strange. Both Lopez and Fuglsang have a **** sprint.

But Katusha? WTF?? Just let Spilak ride tempo at the front and Moreno wins.

I think Katusha's problem was that both Moreno and Spilak are quite fast in such a group, thus none of them was interested in sacrificing their own chance for their team mate. Really, really bad, though.

Spilak fast?
There should be no doubt about the hierarchy between those 2. Moreno would win a sprint like that 80% of the times and Spilak should definitely have chased down the move

 

[Gloin22]

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Missed opportunity for Dumoulin and Thomas to do what Durasek did and get an extra 5 seconds.

What? They were closing Thomas every move.. if he made a move they all would have went.

Well that teaches me for only watching the last 3km

Definitely in this case

 

[jaylew]

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Wtf, Katusha and Astana? You had two riders, you have to mark the move!

Well, Astana is not that strange. Both Lopez and Fuglsang have a **** sprint.

But Katusha? WTF?? Just let Spilak ride tempo at the front and Moreno wins.

I think Katusha's problem was that both Moreno and Spilak are quite fast in such a group, thus none of them was interested in sacrificing their own chance for their team mate. Really, really bad, though.

Yeah, I think they both wanted to win and hadn't communicated properly. What was the DS doing?

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

1 7 Kristijan DURASEK LAMPRE - MERIDA 03:36:52
2 77 Daniel MORENO FERNANDEZ TEAM KATUSHA 00:00:04
3 12 Julian David ARREDONDO MORENO TREK FACTORY RACING 00:00:04
4 131 Thibaut PINOT FDJ 00:00:04
5 52 Geraint THOMAS TEAM SKY 00:00:04
6 78 Simon SPILAK TEAM KATUSHA 00:00:04
7 156 Miguel Angel LOPEZ MORENO ASTANA PRO TEAM 00:00:04
8 151 Jakob FUGLSANG ASTANA PRO TEAM 00:00:04
9 85 Tom DUMOULIN TEAM GIANT - ALPECIN 00:00:04
10 41 Peter SAGAN TINKOFF - SAXO 00:00:14
11 33 Ben HERMANS BMC RACING TEAM 00:00:14
12 15 Bob JUNGELS TREK FACTORY RACING 00:00:14
13 111 Winner ANACONA GOMEZ MOVISTAR TEAM 00:00:14
14 61 Robert GESINK TEAM LOTTO NL - JUMBO 00:00:14
15 136 * Steve MORABITO FDJ 00:00:14
16 26 * Sébastien REICHENBACH IAM CYCLING 00:00:14
17 102 Jhoan Esteban CHAVES RUBIO ORICA GreenEDGE 00:00:14
18 161 Domenico POZZOVIVO AG2R LA MONDIALE 00:00:14

19 158 Alexey LUTSENKO ASTANA PRO TEAM 00:01:01
20 101 * Michael ALBASINI ORICA GreenEDGE 00:01:01

27 175 Davide REBELLIN CCC SPRANDI POLKOWICE 00:01:01
28 5 Przemyslaw NIEMIEC LAMPRE - MERIDA 00:01:01
29 143 Gianluca BRAMBILLA ETIXX - QUICK STEP 00:01:01
30 121 Jurgen VAN DEN BROECK LOTTO SOUDAL 00:01:01
33 51 Sergio Luis HENAO MONTOYA TEAM SKY 00:01:01
36 65 Laurens TEN DAM TEAM LOTTO NL - JUMBO 00:01:05
37 46 Rafal MAJKA TINKOFF - SAXO 00:01:05
41 17 Frank SCHLECK TREK FACTORY RACING 00:02:19
43 32 Darwin ATAPUMA HURTADO BMC RACING TEAM 00:02:19
47 83 Warren BARGUIL TEAM GIANT - ALPECIN 00:02:19

 

[bajbar]

WTF happened to Majka. Ono moment he was following Fuglsang and Thomas, then Sagan finishes 45 seconds ahead of him. 1km before the top of the climb he was still ahead of him...

 

[BigMac]

Those guys finishing 1 minute down...

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

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WTF happened to Majka. Ono moment he was following Fuglsang and Thomas, then Sagan finishes 45 seconds ahead of him. 1km before the top of the climb he was still ahead of him...

Exploded?

 

[jaylew]

Well, no GC for Kwia.

 

[BigMac]

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WTF happened to Majka. Ono moment he was following Fuglsang and Thomas, then Sagan finishes 45 seconds ahead of him. 1km before the top of the climb he was still ahead of him...

Exploded?

That can't be, he's the second coming of Contador.

 

[Bushman]

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Wtf, Katusha and Astana? You had two riders, you have to mark the move!

Well, Astana is not that strange. Both Lopez and Fuglsang have a **** sprint.

But Katusha? WTF?? Just let Spilak ride tempo at the front and Moreno wins.

I think Katusha's problem was that both Moreno and Spilak are quite fast in such a group, thus none of them was interested in sacrificing their own chance for their team mate. Really, really bad, though.

Well i never saw Spilak doing something in a flat sprint which indicates he's faster then Moreno.

Me neither, but he is quite fast, no? He beat Moreno Moser in Eichborn-Frankfurt in 2013 and I recall him beating Costa in a sprint for second in Paris-Nice this year I think.

Btw I'm not justifying his riding, just giving my thought on why Katusha didn't chase.

 

[Netserk]

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New GC:

Stage placings as well:

 

[Arredondo]

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Wtf, Katusha and Astana? You had two riders, you have to mark the move!

Well, Astana is not that strange. Both Lopez and Fuglsang have a **** sprint.

But Katusha? WTF?? Just let Spilak ride tempo at the front and Moreno wins.

I think Katusha's problem was that both Moreno and Spilak are quite fast in such a group, thus none of them was interested in sacrificing their own chance for their team mate. Really, really bad, though.

Well i never saw Spilak doing something in a flat sprint which indicates he's faster then Moreno.

Me neither, but he is quite fast, no? He beat Moreno Moser in Eichborn-Frankfurt in 2013 and I recall him beating Costa in a sprint for second in Paris-Nice this year I think.

Btw I'm not justifying his riding, just giving my thought on why Katusha didn't chase.

Well aparently he did win some sprints. It should have been really impressive then, because i can't recall it

Winner Anacona also really good. 13th today, and with that TT a good GC is still possible.

 

[Bushman]

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Wtf, Katusha and Astana? You had two riders, you have to mark the move!

Well, Astana is not that strange. Both Lopez and Fuglsang have a **** sprint.

But Katusha? WTF?? Just let Spilak ride tempo at the front and Moreno wins.

I think Katusha's problem was that both Moreno and Spilak are quite fast in such a group, thus none of them was interested in sacrificing their own chance for their team mate. Really, really bad, though.

Spilak fast?
There should be no doubt about the hierarchy between those 2. Moreno would win a sprint like that 80% of the times and Spilak should definitely have chased down the move

I never said that Spilak is faster than Moreno and should not have sacrificed himself, of course he should. But he is one the faster guys in such a sprint.

 

[Netserk]

Just a little too tough for Sagan, but he was still far ahead of anyone else with a finish.

 

[Alexandre B.]

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WTF happened to Majka. Ono moment he was following Fuglsang and Thomas, then Sagan finishes 45 seconds ahead of him. 1km before the top of the climb he was still ahead of him...

He's at his 2015 level.

 

[Bushman]

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Just a little too tough for Sagan, but he was still far ahead of anyone else with a finish.

Yes, his shape looks good. GVA, Gilbert, Albasini and so on was further back. He should grab a few stages if his team doesn't let him down.

Majak really bad Btw.

 

[Netserk]

Majka is going to be a helper in the Tour and then captain in the Vuelta. Understandable that he isn't great here.

 

[Bushman]

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Well, no GC for Kwia.

Wasn't that already the expectation after yesterday? He looks way off form.

 

[Cance > TheRest]

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Wtf, Katusha and Astana? You had two riders, you have to mark the move!

Well, Astana is not that strange. Both Lopez and Fuglsang have a **** sprint.

But Katusha? WTF?? Just let Spilak ride tempo at the front and Moreno wins.

I think Katusha's problem was that both Moreno and Spilak are quite fast in such a group, thus none of them was interested in sacrificing their own chance for their team mate. Really, really bad, though.

Spilak fast?
There should be no doubt about the hierarchy between those 2. Moreno would win a sprint like that 80% of the times and Spilak should definitely have chased down the move

I never said that Spilak is faster than Moreno and should not have sacrificed himself, of course he should. But he is one the faster guys in such a sprint.

I agree. I guess, Spilak just have a too high understanding of himself, or the Katusha DS is just a .....

 

[cesko_jr]

Re: 2015 Tour de Suisse Stage 2 Risch-Rotkreuz - Risch-Rotkr

World of Cycling...watch out! Croatia is coming Great with from great Durasek...I can't wait to see him and Kiserlovski attacking mountains together at the Tour

 

[Bushman]

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Majka is going to be a helper in the Tour and then captain in the Vuelta. Understandable that he isn't great here.

Yes, actually he already said that yesterday. He was satisfied with his tt, but he is here for the Tour.

 

[Bushman]

Sagan tomorrow?

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

Kwiat at 10 minutes. Wow

 

[Tank Engine]

A good start for Pinot and Spilak. They should be the strongest on the MTF. Birdsong, G and the young Tommy D looked very strong. They'll be looking to limit their losses on the queen stage and go for it in the TT. G seems to have booked leadership for this race, as Henao dropped off. Majka maybe surprisingly weaker than at Romandie, but he's got the big goal of his season still a long way off.

 

[HelloDolly]

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WTF happened to Majka. Ono moment he was following Fuglsang and Thomas, then Sagan finishes 45 seconds ahead of him. 1km before the top of the climb he was still ahead of him...

Yes ...this rider has not shown anything this year

with 3 weeks to go to the Tour you would think he would be in better form no matter what excuses he says....I though he was going to be Contador's top Dom
Hope Kruez is in better form