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I think in hindsight it was wasted effort by Dumoulin. He's gained a few seconds that won't help him if he's dropped in the mountains. Would have been better to save all his strength and just stick to Aru like glue tomorrow. He's probably burnt two or three matches from that late push; two or three that he won't have available tomorrow now.Taxus4a said:Today Saxo did what the have to do, but they remermered me that I dont like that team.
Good Tom as expected he tooks some second today, but Aru was again really strong and tomorrow there are climbs to drop Tom in some moment.
Good Movistar to try, although they were wrong.
Impressive Cougeard, he looks very good for the future.
DFA123 said:I think in hindsight it was wasted effort by Dumoulin. He's gained a few seconds that won't help him if he's dropped in the mountains. Would have been better to save all his strength and just stick to Aru like glue tomorrow. He's probably burnt two or three matches from that late push; two or three that he won't have available tomorrow now.
Just looked like how any two riders would normally co-operate to me. He hardly pulled him all the way. He followed Aru's wheel for the vast majority of the climb and only went to the front in the last 100m when Aru's power was fading.shalgo said:Nice domestique work by Pozzovivo for Aru at the end there, probably saved him a couple of seconds. Couldn't he have at least tried to hide it by not looking over his shoulder so much?
After all of the talk about a Dutch alliance, it looks like the Italians are working together.
TTT results would be a funny solutionCramps said:Supposing tomorrow Aru comes 1st, TD comes third but in the same group. Aru and TD would have same time counting bonuses. How is tie resolved?
DFA123 said:I think in hindsight it was wasted effort by Dumoulin. He's gained a few seconds that won't help him if he's dropped in the mountains. Would have been better to save all his strength and just stick to Aru like glue tomorrow. He's probably burnt two or three matches from that late push; two or three that he won't have available tomorrow now.Taxus4a said:Today Saxo did what the have to do, but they remermered me that I dont like that team.
Good Tom as expected he tooks some second today, but Aru was again really strong and tomorrow there are climbs to drop Tom in some moment.
Good Movistar to try, although they were wrong.
Impressive Cougeard, he looks very good for the future.
DFA123 said:Just looked like how any two riders would normally co-operate to me. He hardly pulled him all the way. He followed Aru's wheel for the vast majority of the climb and only went to the front in the last 100m when Aru's power was fading.shalgo said:Nice domestique work by Pozzovivo for Aru at the end there, probably saved him a couple of seconds. Couldn't he have at least tried to hide it by not looking over his shoulder so much?
After all of the talk about a Dutch alliance, it looks like the Italians are working together.
Possibly, but Dumoulin is in the driving seat; it's better for him to keep all his matches ready to follow whatever Aru does tomorrow. He's lost time on all the big mountain stages already to Aru, so it may have been wise to save all the strength possible.seldon71 said:DFA123 said:I think in hindsight it was wasted effort by Dumoulin. He's gained a few seconds that won't help him if he's dropped in the mountains. Would have been better to save all his strength and just stick to Aru like glue tomorrow. He's probably burnt two or three matches from that late push; two or three that he won't have available tomorrow now.
In a hindsight, I would say that Aru appeared to burn more matched than Tom in his desperate chase...
Including looking over his shoulder twice to make sure that Aru wasn't gapped? He followed Aru until Aru was cooked and then took over and pulled him to the line.DFA123 said:Just looked like how any two riders would normally co-operate to me. He hardly pulled him all the way. He followed Aru's wheel for the vast majority of the climb and only went to the front in the last 100m when Aru's power was fading.shalgo said:Nice domestique work by Pozzovivo for Aru at the end there, probably saved him a couple of seconds. Couldn't he have at least tried to hide it by not looking over his shoulder so much?
After all of the talk about a Dutch alliance, it looks like the Italians are working together.
Honestly, the only one I've seen of these is Boswellwoodburn said:Turning out to be nice Vuelta for next generation of Americans ... Craddock, Boswell, Warbasse and Dombrowski.
Hugo Koblet said:Honestly, the only one I've seen of these is Boswellwoodburn said:Turning out to be nice Vuelta for next generation of Americans ... Craddock, Boswell, Warbasse and Dombrowski.
Hugo Koblet said:1/100th from the ITT (I think that Dumoulin will win in that case).Cramps said:Supposing tomorrow Aru comes 1st, TD comes third but in the same group. Aru and TD would have same time counting bonuses. How is tie resolved?
I think if he was really doing domestique work, he'd have buried himself at the front to close the gap on Dumoulin much earlier in the climb. All he did was go to the front when Aru started to fade; in that situation, having wheelsucked for several hundred metres, it wouldn't have made him many friends in the peloton if he then sprinted off.shalgo said:Including looking over his shoulder twice to make sure that Aru wasn't gapped? He followed Aru until Aru was cooked and then took over and pulled him to the line.DFA123 said:Just looked like how any two riders would normally co-operate to me. He hardly pulled him all the way. He followed Aru's wheel for the vast majority of the climb and only went to the front in the last 100m when Aru's power was fading.shalgo said:Nice domestique work by Pozzovivo for Aru at the end there, probably saved him a couple of seconds. Couldn't he have at least tried to hide it by not looking over his shoulder so much?
After all of the talk about a Dutch alliance, it looks like the Italians are working together.
I think the natural thing to do in that situation would have been to just stay behind Aru. Going in front, pulling at a steady pace, and checking for Aru over your shoulder seems like an unnatural thing for a rival to do. I'm not saying he rode the entire finale as a dom; just that he decided to give Aru a little help right at the end.DFA123 said:I think if he was really doing domestique work, he'd have buried himself at the front to close the gap on Dumoulin much earlier in the climb. All he did was go to the front when Aru started to fade; in that situation, having wheelsucked for several hundred metres, it wouldn't have made him many friends in the peloton if he then sprinted off.
Descender said:Too bad tomorrow's climbs are too soft for Aru to drop Domoulin.
DFA123 said:I think in hindsight it was wasted effort by Dumoulin. He's gained a few seconds that won't help him if he's dropped in the mountains. Would have been better to save all his strength and just stick to Aru like glue tomorrow. He's probably burnt two or three matches from that late push; two or three that he won't have available tomorrow now.
shalgo said:I think the natural thing to do in that situation would have been to just stay behind Aru. Going in front, pulling at a steady pace, and checking for Aru over your shoulder seems like an unnatural thing for a rival to do. I'm not saying he rode the entire finale as a dom; just that he decided to give Aru a little help right at the end.DFA123 said:I think if he was really doing domestique work, he'd have buried himself at the front to close the gap on Dumoulin much earlier in the climb. All he did was go to the front when Aru started to fade; in that situation, having wheelsucked for several hundred metres, it wouldn't have made him many friends in the peloton if he then sprinted off.
Yeah, that's probably fair. Pozzovivo gained a bit of time as well by riding it like that though and he's still in with a shout for the top 10, so I guess it was a mutually beneficial exchange. Probably didn't want to drop Aru at the end - might have led to some awkward conversations in the US later this month!shalgo said:I think the natural thing to do in that situation would have been to just stay behind Aru. Going in front, pulling at a steady pace, and checking for Aru over your shoulder seems like an unnatural thing for a rival to do. I'm not saying he rode the entire finale as a dom; just that he decided to give Aru a little help right at the end.DFA123 said:I think if he was really doing domestique work, he'd have buried himself at the front to close the gap on Dumoulin much earlier in the climb. All he did was go to the front when Aru started to fade; in that situation, having wheelsucked for several hundred metres, it wouldn't have made him many friends in the peloton if he then sprinted off.
BigMac said:Hugo Koblet said:Honestly, the only one I've seen of these is Boswellwoodburn said:Turning out to be nice Vuelta for next generation of Americans ... Craddock, Boswell, Warbasse and Dombrowski.
Larry has been here and there too. Craddock has been imense since week one doing 90% of the team work for Dumoulin.
Indeed, but Aru is in a situation where he probably has to take risks to win. He is in a better position if both him and Dumoulin are down to their last matches tomorrow than Dumoulin is. For Dumoulin, who only has to follow, the fresher the better.Aapjes said:DFA123 said:I think in hindsight it was wasted effort by Dumoulin. He's gained a few seconds that won't help him if he's dropped in the mountains. Would have been better to save all his strength and just stick to Aru like glue tomorrow. He's probably burnt two or three matches from that late push; two or three that he won't have available tomorrow now.
Aru will also have burned some matches.
Landa could be the key for tomorrow, but I hope he just do a normal work, not that performance to drop Dumoulin in Morcuera.SafeBet said:Mikel Landa 146th at 26'11".
I'm sensing big things for tomorrow.