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Carstenbf said:
Fernandez said:
Hahahaha, I though people in these forums knew about the sport. Maybe too much anger against a rider. Quintana complained because he was at 180 ppm and got cut by Zakarin; and Zakarin was relegated because he cut Quintana clearly from the left to the right against the barriers preventing him to continue his sprint. And thats it. There is no more Zakarin would have won anyway, Quintanas bitching or Movistar working in the shade, etc, etc...
+1

I imagine Nairo was allready slightly annoyed with having to drag them home from 1k out, since Zaka stopped taking turns then. While there's bonus seconds to fight for, you'd think winning the race would be more important than who takes the stage.

Well he can be annoyed, but on Zakarin's place I wouldn't take any turns, Quintana had yellow jersey II behind him and for Zakarin is Quintana the biggest thread.
 
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Jakub said:
Carstenbf said:
Fernandez said:
Hahahaha, I though people in these forums knew about the sport. Maybe too much anger against a rider. Quintana complained because he was at 180 ppm and got cut by Zakarin; and Zakarin was relegated because he cut Quintana clearly from the left to the right against the barriers preventing him to continue his sprint. And thats it. There is no more Zakarin would have won anyway, Quintanas bitching or Movistar working in the shade, etc, etc...
+1

I imagine Nairo was allready slightly annoyed with having to drag them home from 1k out, since Zaka stopped taking turns then. While there's bonus seconds to fight for, you'd think winning the race would be more important than who takes the stage.

Well he can be annoyed, but on Zakarin's place I wouldn't take any turns, Quintana had yellow jersey II behind him and for Zakarin is Quintana the biggest thread.
All the more reason for Zakarin to take his turns, when Izagirre was behind. The thing is: Quintana should not have taken the turns in the first place.
 
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Cance > TheRest said:
Jakub said:
Carstenbf said:
Fernandez said:
Hahahaha, I though people in these forums knew about the sport. Maybe too much anger against a rider. Quintana complained because he was at 180 ppm and got cut by Zakarin; and Zakarin was relegated because he cut Quintana clearly from the left to the right against the barriers preventing him to continue his sprint. And thats it. There is no more Zakarin would have won anyway, Quintanas bitching or Movistar working in the shade, etc, etc...
+1

I imagine Nairo was allready slightly annoyed with having to drag them home from 1k out, since Zaka stopped taking turns then. While there's bonus seconds to fight for, you'd think winning the race would be more important than who takes the stage.



Well he can be annoyed, but on Zakarin's place I wouldn't take any turns, Quintana had yellow jersey II behind him and for Zakarin is Quintana the biggest thread.
All the more reason for Zakarin to take his turns, when Izagirre was behind. The thing is: Quintana should not have taken the turns in the first place.

or that, but he was obviously willing to pull and I disagree that those were reasons for Quintana not to pull, it would have been foolish from zaka to ride Quintana to the top, I donÄt think he would made it if Quintana just followed his wheel.
 
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postmanhat said:
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I think Reichenbach's wotk today deserves appreciation. That was real superdomestique work.

Reichenbach is having a superb season considering he's been domming for Pinot. Not a great reflection on IAM perhaps

He's consistently getting better over the years and is still young, but he will (most likely) never be a winner. So I don't think he's suited to a leader role which IAM wanted I think. He's doing a stellar job as superdomestique for Pinot though.
 
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Great point BigMac. Now the question is: what are the rules? Can there be a fine only?

Other questions: is raising the arm, a gesture universally recognized as a sign of protest enough to trigger an investigation? Does a protest have to take place for an investigation to occur? If the answers are "no" and "yes", then it must be Movistar who initiated the protest.

I don't know the rules, so just asking.

Then what do the officials need to determine? If the foul was intentional? If it affected the result? Or is dangerous riding enough to warrant relegation? My guess is #3 is enough to make the case.

Every time such an instance happens, we end-up in a 50-50 situation, and there's controversy. Some were in favor of Nacer being relegated in PN, and side with Zaka today. It goes to show that there's no clear line, and as I wrote earlier, closing the door is as old as sprinting. We may disagree with the verdict today, but also recognize that there can't be a universal, fool-proof rule.

At the end of the day, I still believe it was a bit harsh for Zaka, but also wonder why he closed the door if he had the stage won. And as Angliru stated: did he really have the stage won? I'd like to see aerial video to judge comparative speed and understand if Zaka felt threatenend (which doesn't appear to be the case), or if he didn't need to close the door, in which case it's a big lapse of judgement for him.

My $0.02
Good $.02...I'd give you $.03! :D
IMO if you move that much in a sprint, you should be relegated. I'm assuming that as soon as a racer gestures their displeasure with being cut off the officials at least look at the race video, but also assume that there must be a formal complaint before they make a decision. In this case the officials decided that IZ did indeed move too much.
Even though closing the door is one of the oldest tricks in the book, I think officials look at it differently now than in say the '70s. If I was in NQ's shoes, I would have moved left once IZ cleared right.
 
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Chris froome new best time at 9.8km.

Pl Nom Prénom Dos Nat Equ. Tps/Ecart
1 FROOME Christopher
2 DEVENYNS Dries 133 IAM 14
3 WESTRA Lieuwe 157 AST 31
 
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blackmamba said:
Chris froome new best time at 9.8km.

Pl Nom Prénom Dos Nat Equ. Tps/Ecart
1 FROOME Christopher
2 DEVENYNS Dries 133 IAM 14
3 WESTRA Lieuwe 157 AST 31

come on!
allez Froome!
 
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Arrivée 15.11 km
Pl Nom Prénom Dos Nat Equ. Tps/Ecart
1 FROOME Christopher
2 DEVENYNS Dries 133 IAM 24
3 WESTRA Lieuwe 157 AST 45

Gonne be interesting to see how good ride that is, I cant believe its bad but exactly how good it is well have to wait and see!
 
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Nouveau meilleur temps à l'arrivée: @chrisfroome termine ce CLM en 20'30, à la moyenne de 44,204km/h. #TDR2016
 
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Froome time maybe is not enought to win today, although will be a good time.

if he dont win today despite the lack of references it looks a bad signal.

He need to show already he is there as always.
 
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Solid ride by Mohoric. He lost only 2s to Froome in the second part. Finally he is showing some progression. Hopefully he finishes the Giro. I think it could do wonders to his shape and his development.
 
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Taxus4a said:
Froome time maybe is not enought to win today, although will be a good time.

if he dont win today despite the lack of references it looks a bad signal.

He need to show already he is there as always.
I don't think he'll win. Top 10 yes.
 

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johnymax said:
Taxus4a said:
Froome time maybe is not enought to win today, although will be a good time.

if he dont win today despite the lack of references it looks a bad signal.

He need to show already he is there as always.
I don't think he'll win. Top 10 yes.
After yesterday that's an amazing improvement :D
 
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del1962 said:
Tom Dumoulin is probably the favorite, if anyone beats Froomes time he is most likely
Normally.. but he doesn't seem to be in the best shape yet. I think it's more likely Zakarin or Costa will win
 
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rick james said:
johnymax said:
Taxus4a said:
Froome time maybe is not enought to win today, although will be a good time.

if he dont win today despite the lack of references it looks a bad signal.

He need to show already he is there as always.
I don't think he'll win. Top 10 yes.
After yesterday that's an amazing improvement :D
It really is. Maybe he can win tomorrow distancing Quintana and Zakarin on the last climb :D