2016 Critérium du Dauphiné, 2.UWT, June 5-12

[PremierAndrew]

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Bardet 2nd - He wasn't even in the best 5 performed riders in the race - Don't understand the criticism of Porte - Did what he needed to - That is sticking with the favorites in the climbs - Its not important whether he comes 3rd or 4th.

Porte doesn't have a winning mentality. Either that, or he didn't attack out of loyalty to Froome (who is his best friend in the peloton tbf). But neither is a good enough excuse to not attack when you're 21 seconds down and the leader is isolated. Just one proper attack and he'd have a lot less critics today, even if the attack failed.

 

[yaco]

Problem with the stage was the leaders sat up after the penultimate climb - Martin would never have got a podium if the Contador group went full gas on the descent - They had done their job.

 

[Brullnux]

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Bardet 2nd - He wasn't even in the best 5 performed riders in the race - Don't understand the criticism of Porte - Did what he needed to - That is sticking with the favorites in the climbs - Its not important whether he comes 3rd or 4th.

Bardet was for sure one or the top 5 riders in the race, he showed that today by being the 3rd or 4th in strongest. And he has balls. He attacked Froome and Contador not once but twice. Porte didn't. He could've, but he didn't. Nobody knows why. He didn't seem in the red else he'd have dropped. He seemed good but didn't attack. It looked like he was trying to keep his 3rd spot.

 

[Orbit501]

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No need to discuss Ryo's antics here, if you want to criticize mods, go to the appropriate thread

Funny how you intervene now to clamp down on us for inappropriate discussion, while not doing a thing about Ryo crapping all over this thread all week. Arresting folks for littering while allowing the mafiaboss to run his racket. Yeah yeah, I know how it goes. Sorry for going up against the powers that be, but things have to be said sometimes. I'll give myself a temporary ban and cool down for a few days.

Agreed.

 

[ILovecycling]

Lol I missed the stage

Awesome action on penultimate climb
Froome cap is ridiculous

Congrats ftw

 

[BigMac]

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No need to discuss Ryo's antics here, if you want to criticize mods, go to the appropriate thread

Funny how you intervene now to clamp down on us for inappropriate discussion, while not doing a thing about Ryo crapping all over this thread all week. Arresting folks for littering while allowing the mafiaboss to run his racket. Yeah yeah, I know how it goes. Sorry for going up against the powers that be, but things have to be said sometimes. I'll give myself a temporary ban and cool down for a few days.

Red Rick became a mod 2 days ago. 2 days. How could he have intervened before that?

This one of them ''Damned if you do, damned if you don't'' cases?.

 

[May0maniac]

LRP rode like a small Aussie Leipheimer and still lost his podium spot.

 

[Mr.White]

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Bardet 2nd - He wasn't even in the best 5 performed riders in the race - Don't understand the criticism of Porte - Did what he needed to - That is sticking with the favorites in the climbs - Its not important whether he comes 3rd or 4th.

You should watch more carefully then..

 

[yaco]

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Bardet 2nd - He wasn't even in the best 5 performed riders in the race - Don't understand the criticism of Porte - Did what he needed to - That is sticking with the favorites in the climbs - Its not important whether he comes 3rd or 4th.

Porte doesn't have a winning mentality. Either that, or he didn't attack out of loyalty to Froome (who is his best friend in the peloton tbf). But neither is a good enough excuse to not attack when you're 21 seconds down and the leader is isolated. Just one proper attack and he'd have a lot less critics today, even if the attack failed.

What a load of rubbish - His job is to stay with the leading GC guys - The most serious attack of the race was when Froome went two days ago - The only rider who could stay with Froome was Porte - Posted at the beginning of the stage that it would be ho-hum stage - The main riders had done their job for the Dauphine.

 

[dusty red roads]

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Bardet 2nd - He wasn't even in the best 5 performed riders in the race - Don't understand the criticism of Porte - Did what he needed to - That is sticking with the favorites in the climbs - Its not important whether he comes 3rd or 4th.

Porte doesn't have a winning mentality. Either that, or he didn't attack out of loyalty to Froome (who is his best friend in the peloton tbf). But neither is a good enough excuse to not attack when you're 21 seconds down and the leader is isolated. Just one proper attack and he'd have a lot less critics today, even if the attack failed.

Hmmm.... I seem to have a vague recollection that he said he promised G (Thomas) he wouldn't attack him at PN, and was a little sheepish for that last stage... so who knows, maybe he said the same thing to Froome. If so, then he needs to get over it!

 

[yaco]

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Bardet 2nd - He wasn't even in the best 5 performed riders in the race - Don't understand the criticism of Porte - Did what he needed to - That is sticking with the favorites in the climbs - Its not important whether he comes 3rd or 4th.

Bardet was for sure one or the top 5 riders in the race, he showed that today by being the 3rd or 4th in strongest. And he has balls. He attacked Froome and Contador not once but twice. Porte didn't. He could've, but he didn't. Nobody knows why. He didn't seem in the red else he'd have dropped. He seemed good but didn't attack. It looked like he was trying to keep his 3rd spot.

Bardet only got second because he was allowed into a break after having issues earlier in the tour - Effectively Dauphine was three riders in Froome, Contador and Porte marking each other.

 

[dusty red roads]

Cross posted same time with Yaco - that also could be...

 

[yaco]

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LRP rode like a small Aussie Leipheimer and still lost his podium spot.

Are you able to post without personally abusing riders ? To be frank its childish and lowers the standard of Cycling News.

 

[lenric]

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Bardet 2nd - He wasn't even in the best 5 performed riders in the race - Don't understand the criticism of Porte - Did what he needed to - That is sticking with the favorites in the climbs - Its not important whether he comes 3rd or 4th.

Porte doesn't have a winning mentality. Either that, or he didn't attack out of loyalty to Froome (who is his best friend in the peloton tbf). But neither is a good enough excuse to not attack when you're 21 seconds down and the leader is isolated. Just one proper attack and he'd have a lot less critics today, even if the attack failed.

What a load of rubbish - His job is to stay with the leading GC guys - The most serious attack of the race was when Froome went two days ago - The only rider who could stay with Froome was Porte - Posted at the beginning of the stage that it would be ho-hum stage - The main riders had done their job for the Dauphine.

No. His job was to win the Dauphine. Or, at least, try. Or, in the very least, podium. Or even attack. He did neither.
Why? Though he didn't always have the capacity, today he could have done something. He chose not to. It's up for one to conclude whatever he/she wants on this.

 

[yaco]

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Bardet 2nd - He wasn't even in the best 5 performed riders in the race - Don't understand the criticism of Porte - Did what he needed to - That is sticking with the favorites in the climbs - Its not important whether he comes 3rd or 4th.

Porte doesn't have a winning mentality. Either that, or he didn't attack out of loyalty to Froome (who is his best friend in the peloton tbf). But neither is a good enough excuse to not attack when you're 21 seconds down and the leader is isolated. Just one proper attack and he'd have a lot less critics today, even if the attack failed.

Hmmm.... I seem to have a vague recollection that he said he promised G (Thomas) he wouldn't attack him at PN, and was a little sheepish for that last stage... so who knows, maybe he said the same thing to Froome. If so, then he needs to get over it!

What - Thomas got dropped on the last climb of PN after Contador's constant attacks - Only Porte could go with Contador and they teamed up with the breakaway rider Wellens ( won the stage ) near the summit and then worked on the downhill. Thomas was saved because Gallopin ( Lotto Soudal ) and another Sky rider paced Thomas up the remainder of the climb.

Anyway continue to make it up.

 

[filipepc]

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Bardet 2nd - He wasn't even in the best 5 performed riders in the race - Don't understand the criticism of Porte - Did what he needed to - That is sticking with the favorites in the climbs - Its not important whether he comes 3rd or 4th.

Porte doesn't have a winning mentality. Either that, or he didn't attack out of loyalty to Froome (who is his best friend in the peloton tbf). But neither is a good enough excuse to not attack when you're 21 seconds down and the leader is isolated. Just one proper attack and he'd have a lot less critics today, even if the attack failed.

What a load of rubbish - His job is to stay with the leading GC guys - The most serious attack of the race was when Froome went two days ago - The only rider who could stay with Froome was Porte - Posted at the beginning of the stage that it would be ho-hum stage - The main riders had done their job for the Dauphine.

No. His job was to win the Dauphine. Or, at least, try. Or, in the very least, podium. Or even attack. He did neither.
Why? Though he didn't always have the capacity, today he could have done something. He chose not to. It's up for one to conclude whatever he/she wants on this.

Sure. If he wanted to leave Sky to be the leader of a BIG WT TEAM, then when he is 20 seconds from winning and he just stay there looking for his friend... BAAAA. I like Porte, but i really didn´t like what i´ve seen.

Maybe he needs to listen something from the BMC Directeurs. Maybe that will help him to a better tour perform has a leader. Otherwise, is better that he just go there to help TEJAY, because as a domestique, he is the best.

 

[Alexandre B.]

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Bardet 2nd - He wasn't even in the best 5 performed riders in the race - Don't understand the criticism of Porte - Did what he needed to - That is sticking with the favorites in the climbs - Its not important whether he comes 3rd or 4th.

Bardet was for sure one or the top 5 riders in the race, he showed that today by being the 3rd or 4th in strongest. And he has balls. He attacked Froome and Contador not once but twice. Porte didn't. He could've, but he didn't. Nobody knows why. He didn't seem in the red else he'd have dropped. He seemed good but didn't attack. It looked like he was trying to keep his 3rd spot.

Bardet only got second because he was allowed into a break after having issues earlier in the tour - Effectively Dauphine was three riders in Froome, Contador and Porte marking each other.

You forgot these guys sitting in the podium spots. They made the race more than Porte.

 

[CheckMyPecs]

Landa surely needs to get some quality training under his belt now.

 

[CheckMyPecs]

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But Nibali and Froome have faced each other several times and Nibali's only ever beaten Froome at 2013 TA (well and 2014 Dauphine I guess), and that was due to his superior descending in the wet, along with good tactics. But it's not like rain is usually a factor in the Dauphine

And 2014 Tour. Being able to stay on one's bike is also an important part of cycling, it's not just about climbing.

 

[Jelantik]

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Bardet 2nd - He wasn't even in the best 5 performed riders in the race - Don't understand the criticism of Porte - Did what he needed to - That is sticking with the favorites in the climbs - Its not important whether he comes 3rd or 4th.

Porte doesn't have a winning mentality. Either that, or he didn't attack out of loyalty to Froome (who is his best friend in the peloton tbf). But neither is a good enough excuse to not attack when you're 21 seconds down and the leader is isolated. Just one proper attack and he'd have a lot less critics today, even if the attack failed.

What a load of rubbish - His job is to stay with the leading GC guys - The most serious attack of the race was when Froome went two days ago - The only rider who could stay with Froome was Porte - Posted at the beginning of the stage that it would be ho-hum stage - The main riders had done their job for the Dauphine.

No. His job was to win the Dauphine. Or, at least, try. Or, in the very least, podium. Or even attack. He did neither.
Why? Though he didn't always have the capacity, today he could have done something. He chose not to. It's up for one to conclude whatever he/she wants on this.

Sure. If he wanted to leave Sky to be the leader of a BIG WT TEAM, then when he is 20 seconds from winning and he just stay there looking for his friend... BAAAA. I like Porte, but i really didn´t like what i´ve seen.

Maybe he needs to listen something from the BMC Directeurs. Maybe that will help him to a better tour perform has a leader. Otherwise, is better that he just go there to help TEJAY, because as a domestique, he is the best.

well, what can you say. Once a domestique, it will still a domestique mentality. He probably was in auto pilot and forgot that he wasn't wearing blue and black anymore. Oh Porte, Porte. I don't hate him, and I wish him the best when he left Sky. But he seems.. I don't know... i expected him a lot to show some leader mentality.. killer instinct, sniffing for opportunity etc. I wonder what BMC DS is thinking.. seeing all this. Tejay clearly rides for BMC. Porte is another sky domestique under "BMC" jersey.

 

[Hakkapelit]

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But Nibali and Froome have faced each other several times and Nibali's only ever beaten Froome at 2013 TA (well and 2014 Dauphine I guess), and that was due to his superior descending in the wet, along with good tactics. But it's not like rain is usually a factor in the Dauphine

And 2014 Tour. Being able to stay on one's bike is also an important part of cycling, it's not just about climbing.

You can only beat those in the race though...

 

[CheckMyPecs]

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But Nibali and Froome have faced each other several times and Nibali's only ever beaten Froome at 2013 TA (well and 2014 Dauphine I guess), and that was due to his superior descending in the wet, along with good tactics. But it's not like rain is usually a factor in the Dauphine

And 2014 Tour. Being able to stay on one's bike is also an important part of cycling, it's not just about climbing.

You can only beat those in the race though...

If you manage to finish the race while they didn't, you already beat them.

 

[Taxus4a]

Not much people has won 3 times Dauohine, and I think that nobody 4.

To win dauphine and Tour 3 times.. I am not sure...

 

[CheckMyPecs]

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Not much people has won 3 times auohine, and I think that nobody 4.

To win dauphine and Tour 3 times.. I am not sure...

Correct.

 

[dusty red roads]

Re: Re:

Bardet 2nd - He wasn't even in the best 5 performed riders in the race - Don't understand the criticism of Porte - Did what he needed to - That is sticking with the favorites in the climbs - Its not important whether he comes 3rd or 4th.

Porte doesn't have a winning mentality. Either that, or he didn't attack out of loyalty to Froome (who is his best friend in the peloton tbf). But neither is a good enough excuse to not attack when you're 21 seconds down and the leader is isolated. Just one proper attack and he'd have a lot less critics today, even if the attack failed.

Hmmm.... I seem to have a vague recollection that he said he promised G (Thomas) he wouldn't attack him at PN, and was a little sheepish for that last stage... so who knows, maybe he said the same thing to Froome. If so, then he needs to get over it!

What - Thomas got dropped on the last climb of PN after Contador's constant attacks - Only Porte could go with Contador and they teamed up with the breakaway rider Wellens ( won the stage ) near the summit and then worked on the downhill. Thomas was saved because Gallopin ( Lotto Soudal ) and another Sky rider paced Thomas up the remainder of the climb.

Anyway continue to make it up.

Yes, yes, I know all of that, I don't remember exactly what he said, I just have a vague memory about his saying something as per the above, he may have been referring to earlier in the race. If I can hunt it up I'll post it.