Fuglsang is always very agressive if he gets a chance to ride for himself. Usually he doesn't have a lot of pop on his attacks though, so he ends up doing the damage but never winning
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I'm just looking for a first indication
In conjunction with close-up shots of the riders' faces so we can pick up any suffering they're going through, I'm confident a stage with this profile will give us that.
jens_attacks said:SeriousSam said:
i'm afraid you have to wait until next week, on friday
saturday, on alpe di poti if we are really, really lucky.
I'm just looking for a first indication
In conjunction with close-up shots of the riders' faces so we can pick up any suffering they're going through, I'm confident a stage with this profile will give us that.
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Point is he looks stronger than ever - and that it seems he is not bound completely to Nibali, like he has been the last 2 years.
Red Rick said:
Point is he looks stronger than ever - and that it seems he is not bound completely to Nibali, like he has been the last 2 years.
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In 2014 he had his own chances as well, but he got sick and then he crashed in the Chamrousse-stage if I remember correctly..
Last year he cracked on Tourmalet after Nibali had cracked on PSM.
But you are right, he looks extremely strong.
Broccolidwarf said:
In 2014 he had his own chances as well, but he got sick and then he crashed in the Chamrousse-stage if I remember correctly..
Last year he cracked on Tourmalet after Nibali had cracked on PSM.
But you are right, he looks extremely strong.
My prediction for top 5, after seeing them go up hill a bit:
Landa
Majka
Valverde
Dumoulin
Fuglsang
Landa
Majka
Valverde
Dumoulin
Fuglsang
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Though not at Quintana level, Nibali has a good poker face. Watch if he breathes through his nose then he might be TdF '14 shape. Anyway he is very skinny, definitely ideal race weight for him while Landa appears a bit chubby and downright fat for Sky standards.
SeriousSam said:jens_attacks said:SeriousSam said:
i'm afraid you have to wait until next week, on friday
saturday, on alpe di poti if we are really, really lucky.
I'm just looking for a first indication
In conjunction with close-up shots of the riders' faces so we can pick up any suffering they're going through, I'm confident a stage with this profile will give us that.
Though not at Quintana level, Nibali has a good poker face. Watch if he breathes through his nose then he might be TdF '14 shape. Anyway he is very skinny, definitely ideal race weight for him while Landa appears a bit chubby and downright fat for Sky standards.
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Surely that's not just based on today, else Lands wouldn't win and Majka wouldn't be second, and Nibali in the top 5. Based on today Fugslang should win with Bala and Nibali just behind. Fugslang to top5 with Nibali winning.
Broccolidwarf said:
Surely that's not just based on today, else Lands wouldn't win and Majka wouldn't be second, and Nibali in the top 5. Based on today Fugslang should win with Bala and Nibali just behind. Fugslang to top5 with Nibali winning.
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The bold: Aye, but how often does this happen?
I'm not sure what your 2nd sentence means...are you saying Hesjedal was able to claw back a lot of lost time in the 3rd week of the Giro, and if he could do that Landa could do much more? If so, it isn't the best comparison.
Hesjedal was hardly in the minds of Aru and AC last year. He was given more leeway.
In this Giro Landa is one of the top favorites (imo he will win). If Nibali and company have good form, they aren't going to just let Landa ride away. He will be a very marked man. He needs to do his best to not lose 15 minutes....he won't get that sort of time back on Nibali. Landa isn't some outsider (like Hesjedal or Pereiro) that you willingly let go up the road.
Taxus4a said:To dont worry about a rider maybe itis always half an hour, you can ask to Pereiro...Jspear said:Taxus4a said:Krokro said:Krokro said:
+1 Nibali or Valverde look sharper than Landa. We will see in high mountains if it's still the case.
Good surprises : Kruijswijk / Chaves / Dumoulin
Bad : Landa positioning, Majka ?
They are not sharper than Landa, Landa did a very good ITT for his capacity, but in the past Landa could won in Neila orr Bondone, but he lost big time in stages like today. He didnt lost time, and he dont have such a big team as Nibali, so it is ok. If Landa dont lose tome in thiss kind of stages he is day by day more favourite. He can get big time in a really hard stage. They need to put Landa at 15 minutes to dont worry about him...
And you wonder why some say you don't know much about cycling.
How Mych Hesjedal recover instead the continious pace of Astana or Saxo llast year?
Landa is that kind of rider that can get lot of time in a mountain stage if you let him go...
There are some stages where he can put lot of time, but it would be normal if he losetome in other kind of stages, not just ITT.
I know what I know about cycling, I dont mind what you think, I just want to saw people how this sport works out, becoue here mosst of the people is under 30...
The bold: Aye, but how often does this happen?
I'm not sure what your 2nd sentence means...are you saying Hesjedal was able to claw back a lot of lost time in the 3rd week of the Giro, and if he could do that Landa could do much more? If so, it isn't the best comparison.
Hesjedal was hardly in the minds of Aru and AC last year. He was given more leeway.
In this Giro Landa is one of the top favorites (imo he will win). If Nibali and company have good form, they aren't going to just let Landa ride away. He will be a very marked man. He needs to do his best to not lose 15 minutes....he won't get that sort of time back on Nibali. Landa isn't some outsider (like Hesjedal or Pereiro) that you willingly let go up the road.
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I am looking at how they look on the bike, in the climbs, and how they positioned themselves in the peloton today... not how they finished the stage.... obviously.
I do not think Nibali has it currently
Brullnux said:
I am looking at how they look on the bike, in the climbs, and how they positioned themselves in the peloton today... not how they finished the stage.... obviously.
I do not think Nibali has it currently
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I didn't see anything specific that made me think "oooo Fuglsang is really strong this year". He is supposed to be where we've seen him today and I'm sure that once the going gets reallll tough in the high mountains that he will lose time eventually.
Broccolidwarf said:
I didn't see anything specific that made me think "oooo Fuglsang is really strong this year". He is supposed to be where we've seen him today and I'm sure that once the going gets reallll tough in the high mountains that he will lose time eventually.
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Because he is too young. Plus it is early in the Giro. Sebastian Henao had similar performance on his first Giro.DNP-Old said:
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Thats funny, I don't think he looks much stronger than he used to, but apparently all the Danish experts and commentators are of the beliefs that this is Fuglsang's year. Like it is every year...
Nationalism is one of the worst traits, both on this forum, in politics and in sports. It can really ruin a broadcast for me when the hype is getting too real, its disgusting frankly.
Kwibus said:
Thats funny, I don't think he looks much stronger than he used to, but apparently all the Danish experts and commentators are of the beliefs that this is Fuglsang's year. Like it is every year...
Nationalism is one of the worst traits, both on this forum, in politics and in sports. It can really ruin a broadcast for me when the hype is getting too real, its disgusting frankly.
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Exactly... Landa was the worst of all the things you mentioned. Nibali may not have it but he did nothing today to suggest that.
Broccolidwarf said:
Exactly... Landa was the worst of all the things you mentioned. Nibali may not have it but he did nothing today to suggest that.
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What?? Landa clearly looked worse than the other GC guys. Terrible positioning and had to rely on stronger looking Dom's to bridge him over.... I think you saw what you wanted to see.
What?? Landa clearly looked worse than the other GC guys. Terrible positioning and had to rely on stronger looking Dom's to bridge him over.... I think you saw what you wanted to see.
Different types of nationalism. You can be happy when a compatriot wins, just as you can be proud of the country you live in. However, it starts getting *** up when you see your country as 'better' than another one. Or when it makes somebody more relevant or important. Or when they see a reality that isn't there.
That said, Dumoulin and Kruiswijk are totally gonna 1-2 this Giro
That said, Dumoulin and Kruiswijk are totally gonna 1-2 this Giro
The Giro has begun A very impressive ride by Ulissi and intelligent teamwork. As expected, Astana was very strong. Kruijswijk has come into this Giro very strong and we all know from last year that his recovery is great. Tommy D looking good to rob Alex of his expected bonus seconds. Sky and Landa looking fragile. Nico did a good job to rescue them though. I'm looking forward to the rest of this.
A very impressive ride by Ulissi and intelligent teamwork. As expected, Astana was very strong. Kruijswijk has come into this Giro very strong and we all know from last year that his recovery is great. Tommy D looking good to rob Alex of his expected bonus seconds. Sky and Landa looking fragile. Nico did a good job to rescue them though. I'm looking forward to the rest of this.
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In the Plateau de Beille stage in the tour last year he was in a break with Kwiat and someone else (a break which later got caught by some chasers including Purito who won) but Preidler got a bee sting which affected him very badly so he wasnt able to follow anymore. I didnt watch the stage and don't know if he would have had a chance to win at least he could have gotten a bit more attention that day.
Today I think he was in the break with Ulissi and wasnt able to follow him (he was still dropping the likes of Wellens though). He seems to be in good shape and can maybe fight for a stage in the mountains as soon as he is allowed to go into breaks, but I wouldnt expect anything more.
He had some pretty impressive results but never won anything big. In 2014 there was a giro stage which was expected to go to the break but the peloton chased and the break got caught on the final climb. On that final climb Arredondo attacked and caught the break in which Preidler was. Then Arredondo tried to attack the remaining break but he wasnt able to drop Preidler for quite some time while all the other break away members dropped immediately. If the stage would have been for the break as expected, he definitely would have won.Valv.Piti said:
In the Plateau de Beille stage in the tour last year he was in a break with Kwiat and someone else (a break which later got caught by some chasers including Purito who won) but Preidler got a bee sting which affected him very badly so he wasnt able to follow anymore. I didnt watch the stage and don't know if he would have had a chance to win at least he could have gotten a bit more attention that day.
Today I think he was in the break with Ulissi and wasnt able to follow him (he was still dropping the likes of Wellens though). He seems to be in good shape and can maybe fight for a stage in the mountains as soon as he is allowed to go into breaks, but I wouldnt expect anything more.
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Giggs: Thanks.
Thats exactly what I mean, its so annoying, I just wan't to see Giro d' Italia, not Giro d' Denmark featuring Fuglsang and Bak..Red Rick said:
Giggs: Thanks.
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Try watching the Tour on NOS with 'Where is Gesink!?!?!?!' -commentator Dijkstra. Ugh.Valv.Piti said:
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Unfortunatly, I don't have the luxury of Rolf & Ritter commentary this year
That being said, Fuglsang did do well today, and if he continues to ride like that, he might become an important player in deciding who wins this raceValv.Piti said:
Unfortunatly, I don't have the luxury of Rolf & Ritter commentary this year
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Fuglsang does indeed look strong, all I ask for is just to tone the the hype a bit down. If you didn't know cycling, you would think Fuglsang was the favourite almost. Its not as bad in the actual commentary, but the pre- and aftersets (is that what its called?) is the biggest problem IMO.
I enjoy listening to Rolf and Ritter as well for the most part, they are very good.
Hedebooo said:That being said, Fuglsang did do well today, and if he continues to ride like that, he might become an important player in deciding who wins this raceValv.Piti said:
Unfortunatly, I don't have the luxury of Rolf & Ritter commentary this year
Fuglsang does indeed look strong, all I ask for is just to tone the the hype a bit down. If you didn't know cycling, you would think Fuglsang was the favourite almost. Its not as bad in the actual commentary, but the pre- and aftersets (is that what its called?) is the biggest problem IMO.
I enjoy listening to Rolf and Ritter as well for the most part, they are very good.
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Hahahah. It was only Euskadi at first, then some other provinces in Spain... It'll get to you, as long as you're not too far.jens_attacks said:Txrt said:
congrats!
can i bet from outside the euskadi too?
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