2016 TdF, Stage 1: Mont-Saint-Michel → Utah Beach (188km)

[BigMac]

Re: 2016 TdF, Stage 1: Mont-Saint-Michel → Utah Beach (188km

Biggest win of Cav's career!

No WC and MSR where bigger

Yellow Jersey is bigger than MSR for Cav, it's also come after so much doubt and so much pressure!

I don't think even the biggest of Tour fanatics would trade a MSR win for a day in yellow...

Maybe the most 'impressive' win, not the greatest.

 

[DFA123]

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Anyone know if it's correct that EBH and Matthews both fell hard at the end? Would be really bad if true - they'd both be among the top favourites for tomorrow.

EBH went down, I don't know if Matthews did or not.

Hopefully they'll be OK, but it was a pretty hard and uncontrolled fall. The numerous 'Sagan' type stages were set to be really interesting this year with those two and Alaphilippe/GVA all challenging Sagan and all kind of on a similar level. Will be gutted if they are both out.

 

[nogav1ca]

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Anyone know if it's correct that EBH and Matthews both fell hard at the end? Would be really bad if true - they'd both be among the top favourites for tomorrow.

EBH went down, I don't know if Matthews did or not.

Hagen was leading Cav out so he should be ok

He was behind Cav at the time of the crash. Also there have been some pictures of him with torn jersey.

 

[Irondan]

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Anyone know if it's correct that EBH and Matthews both fell hard at the end? Would be really bad if true - they'd both be among the top favourites for tomorrow.

EBH went down, I don't know if Matthews did or not.

Hagen was leading Cav out so he should be ok

He was behind Cav at the time of the crash. Also there have been some pictures of him with torn jersey.

That's what I get for listening to Paul Scherwin...

 

[DFA123]

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To be fair to Kittel, Sabatini was awful today, he didn't even feature in the end and thats why Richeze has to be the last leadout man. Plus Kittel was detached from his train at one moment and had to spend some energy.

Isn't Richeze always last leadout man? Agree they were awful though - they tried to control it from too far out and other teams (katusha/DD) came over the top and pushed them out in the last 2km. Made for a better sprint though - and Kittel's top speed must be pretty good judging by the way he came past Sagan despite being stuck in the wind for several hundred metres.

 

[Zinoviev Letter]

Re: 2016 TdF, Stage 1: Mont-Saint-Michel → Utah Beach (188km

Biggest win of Cav's career!

No WC and MSR where bigger

Yellow Jersey is bigger than MSR for Cav, it's also come after so much doubt and so much pressure!

I don't think even the biggest of Tour fanatics would trade a MSR win for a day in yellow...

Maybe the most 'impressive' win, not the greatest.

Yes exactly. MSR is the most important single win on Cavendish's palmares. Wearing yellow for 24 hours is a nice day out.

 

[Vroome.exe]

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To be fair to Kittel, Sabatini was awful today, he didn't even feature in the end and thats why Richeze has to be the last leadout man. Plus Kittel was detached from his train at one moment and had to spend some energy.

Isn't Richeze always last leadout man? Agree they were awful though - they tried to control it from too far out and other teams (katusha/DD) came over the top and pushed them out in the last 2km. Made for a better sprint though - and Kittel's top speed must be pretty good judging by the way he came past Sagan despite being stuck in the wind for several hundred metres.

Kittel said Sabatini would be his last man as he has done only one race with Richeze this season. But it's easy to see that Richeze is both faster and better all-rounder than Sabatini.

 

[spalco]

Re: 2016 TdF, Stage 1: Mont-Saint-Michel → Utah Beach (188km

Yes exactly. MSR is the most important single win on Cavendish's palmares. Wearing yellow for 24 hours is a nice day out.

I would even rate a Champs win bigger than this today, but it's special because it's been a while for him.

 

[DFA123]

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To be fair to Kittel, Sabatini was awful today, he didn't even feature in the end and thats why Richeze has to be the last leadout man. Plus Kittel was detached from his train at one moment and had to spend some energy.

Isn't Richeze always last leadout man? Agree they were awful though - they tried to control it from too far out and other teams (katusha/DD) came over the top and pushed them out in the last 2km. Made for a better sprint though - and Kittel's top speed must be pretty good judging by the way he came past Sagan despite being stuck in the wind for several hundred metres.

Kittel said Sabatini would be his last man as he has done only one race with Richeze this season. But it's easy to see that Richeze is both faster and better all-rounder than Sabatini.

Ah right, fair enough. I'm guessing that might change after today! Richeze's got incredible speed for a lead out man - maybe Kittel is concerned he might beat him like he did Gaviria in Suisse He could certainly sprint for himelf on the hillier stages where Kittel gets dropped.

 

[Zinoviev Letter]

Re: 2016 TdF, Stage 1: Mont-Saint-Michel → Utah Beach (188km

Yes exactly. MSR is the most important single win on Cavendish's palmares. Wearing yellow for 24 hours is a nice day out.

I would even rate a Champs win bigger than this today, but it's special because it's been a while for him.

Yes. Today ranks as special among his stage wins because it involved him showing that he's still at the top of the sprinting game when many were starting to think that he was well past his best. Beating Kittel in a head to head and wearing yellow for a day are nice bonuses. But it's still "only" one Tour stage win among 27.

 

[kjetilraknerud]

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Anyone know if it's correct that EBH and Matthews both fell hard at the end? Would be really bad if true - they'd both be among the top favourites for tomorrow.

EBH went down, I don't know if Matthews did or not.

Hagen was leading Cav out so he should be ok

He was behind Cav at the time of the crash. Also there have been some pictures of him with torn jersey.

EBH went down hard, but doesn't look injured except for a few bruises. Hopefully he is pissed off tomorrow

 

[MacBAir]

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To be fair to Kittel, Sabatini was awful today, he didn't even feature in the end and thats why Richeze has to be the last leadout man. Plus Kittel was detached from his train at one moment and had to spend some energy.

Isn't Richeze always last leadout man? Agree they were awful though - they tried to control it from too far out and other teams (katusha/DD) came over the top and pushed them out in the last 2km. Made for a better sprint though - and Kittel's top speed must be pretty good judging by the way he came past Sagan despite being stuck in the wind for several hundred metres.

Kittel said Sabatini would be his last man as he has done only one race with Richeze this season. But it's easy to see that Richeze is both faster and better all-rounder than Sabatini.

Ah right, fair enough. I'm guessing that might change after today! Richeze's got incredible speed for a lead out man - maybe Kittel is concerned he might beat him like he did Gaviria in Suisse He could certainly sprint for himelf on the hillier stages where Kittel gets dropped.

I just re-watched the finish. Sagan was the one on the wind, and Kittel could only come around him when he sat down. Prepare to see Cavendish win a lot and Peter ousprinting Kittel a lot, not to mention how many stages Kittel won't even be a factor because as a cyclist, he is clearly the worst of today's top four.

 

[DFA123]

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I just re-watched the finish. Sagan was the one on the wind, and Kittel could only come around him when he sat down. Prepare to see Cavendish win a lot and Peter ousprinting Kittel a lot, not to mention how many stages Kittel won't even be a factor because as a cyclist, he is clearly the worst of today's top four.

I think everything you have said here is wrong. Even on the hilly stages I'd expect Kittel to last longer than Cav who has been training for the track for the past six months.

 

[sir fly]

Really skillful sprinter Cavendish.
Just look how good he's picking the wheels to follow.

 

[woodburn]

Why are there time gaps?

 

[IndianCyclist]

Cav's TDF2016 is successful

 

[Jagartrott]

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Did anyone else get something in their eye during Cav's interview?

No. Cavendish is always charming after he won.
It's the other times that put me off.

 

[PremierAndrew]

Re: 2016 TdF, Stage 1: Mont-Saint-Michel → Utah Beach (188km

Biggest win of Cav's career!

No WC and MSR where bigger

Yellow Jersey is bigger than MSR for Cav, it's also come after so much doubt and so much pressure!

I don't think even the biggest of Tour fanatics would trade a MSR win for a day in yellow...

Maybe the most 'impressive' win, not the greatest.

Nowhere near as impressive as his MSR win either. Similar in that he was being written off for both before the race I guess.

Anyway, that MSR win is a major reason why Cav goes down in history with Cipo and above the likes of Robbie Mcewen, Greipel, Kittel, Abdou etc

 

[Oliwright]

Re: 2016 TdF, Stage 1: Mont-Saint-Michel → Utah Beach (188km

Biggest win of Cav's career!

No WC and MSR where bigger

Yellow Jersey is bigger than MSR for Cav, it's also come after so much doubt and so much pressure!

WC i bigger normally, but in terms of exposure and when u consider timing, this is bigger imo.

 

[PremierAndrew]

Re: 2016 TdF, Stage 1: Mont-Saint-Michel → Utah Beach (188km

Biggest win of Cav's career!

No WC and MSR where bigger

Yellow Jersey is bigger than MSR for Cav, it's also come after so much doubt and so much pressure!

WC i bigger normally, but in terms of exposure and when u consider timing, this is bigger imo.

Winner on Champs Elysees gets more exposure to the non-cycling world than the winner of Paris Roubaix. Doesn't mean it's bigger

 

[LaFlorecita]

Time gaps still not neutralized.......

 

[Zinoviev Letter]

Re: 2016 TdF, Stage 1: Mont-Saint-Michel → Utah Beach (188km

Biggest win of Cav's career!

No WC and MSR where bigger

Yellow Jersey is bigger than MSR for Cav, it's also come after so much doubt and so much pressure!

WC i bigger normally, but in terms of exposure and when u consider timing, this is bigger imo.

If we were going to base our evaluation of the importance of wins primarily on their contribution to a rider's marketability in Britain, then if he were to win an Olympic Gold in one disciple of the minor sport of track cycling we would have to consider that his biggest win. Which would be ridiculous - a single medal in a track event doesn't make someone a big deal in cycling as a whole. But even talking purely in terms of exposure, this win doesn't do for Cavendish what his MSR and, in particular, WC wins did at a time when he was effectively bigger than the sport in his home country. He's not going to be that again.

 

[roundabout]

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Time gaps still not neutralized.......

Complete stage result and various classifications are not yet posted, so this is not the final result

 

[TMP402]

I'm sure this has been asked a million times, but are there time bonuses this year?

 

[Alexandre B.]

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Time gaps still not neutralized.......

Don't worry.