2016 TdF, Stage 12: Montpellier → Mont Ventoux (178km)

[WheelofGear]

Porte doing the best Stallone impression I've ever seen.

 

[deValtos]

Well basically any decision will piss off a lot of people.

Organizers should've done better organizing. I would not like to be them right now.

 

[Cannibal72]

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No bad will meant to anyone, but let's just hope that the ASO finally learn from this and start to put real controls in place on these MTF's.

I'm not sure how many Giros you watch, but RCS is very good about lining MTFs with barriers. It's boring on television. An absolute snooze if you line the climb with barriers. People just sit in the shade behind the barrier and golf clap.

Cycling's not football. I honestly don't give a toss if the 'atmosphere' isn't great, or if people are applauding rather than drunkenly stumbling alongside the riders. I don't find that exciting, I find it pathetic. I give a toss that riders don't get impaired, seriously injured, or eventually killed. If that takes a few golf claps, that's a price I'm more than prepared to pay, and it's a price every race organiser should be prepared to pay if they're at all responsible.

I wonder if Quintana will be quoted saying the ASO don't care about the riders, and that they're a disgrace, and that the riders are risking their lives every day - and that the stage should be neutralised...?

Possibly as any other change to finishing result would be a disadvantage for him.

So what you're saying is that he's a gutless, spineless, selfish hypocrite? Well, I hope he's not. I'd like to retain a reasonably high opinion of him. Come on Nairo and Eusebio - now's your time to speak up!

 

[Googolplex]

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Neutralise everyone's time at the moment of the crash.

How?

 

[Poursuivant]

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Mavic need to work on their replacement bikes too, the thing they gave Froome seemed useless!

Lol true

 

[Geraint Too Fast]

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So two fans involved in changing outcome of race. You simply can't have one fan causing a crash and then another fan stealing the very bike you were just racing on. Tour de France organisers will be the laughing stock on every news channel tonight otherwise.

Froome's bike wasn't stolen. Froome first ran with it, then dumped it against a motorbike. The video footage has been posted in this thread.

Did you expect Froome to lock it up or something?

Just because he left his bike behind, it doesn't give somebody the right to take it.

 

[DirtyWorks]

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Hilarious. Podium "set"? Yates, who's never been tested over 3 weeks is a given over Mollema, Aru, Quintana, and the like? NOt saying he couldn't do it but "podium set" is laughable.

I get you are new to the sport. I appreciate your enthusiasm.

Ventoux is a beast that sorts podiums. Froome, Porte, Yates in Paris, in that order. Baring disaster, your podium is set. Bookmark the post and let's reconvene next Sunday.

Tejay may finally be in spitting distance of a grand tour podium because of this. It's the only way that's possible.

 

[samhocking]

I'm pretty sure Froome is leaving his bike, because it's faster to run if you're not having to carry a bike you can't ride and can't get replaced because your team car is miles behind and too many fans to let it through anyway. I would say pretty smart. I'm pretty sure you just have to finish with a bike - which he did.

 

[Fight.The.Power]

David Millar ‏@millarmind · 4m4 minutes ago

What?

The?

***?

Was?

That?

#TDF2016

 

[The Hitch]

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apparently fans could now "decide" who wins TdF. just start knocking the riders off their bikes and ASO will be fine with that. brilliant.

You do realize this is nowhere near the first time a spectator has caused a crash in pro cycling?

 

[TMP402]

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If they neutralised it when Yates had his incident, they clearly SHOULD for this.

Agreed.

But there was the 3km rule there. Not today.

That was not the 3 km rule applied, they "moved" the finish line for the GC to the 1 km banner. They can do the same today.

Exactly

 

[jmdirt]

This is an Fn joke!

 

[sir fly]

Are those accidents an indicator of increased popularity of cycling?
More and more people by the roads.

 

[Cannibal72]

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The TDF kicked a rider out of the race last year for getting in a car for 50m. Froome should be penalized

Thai post is just endearingly, adorably, hilariously stupid. With this level of intellect you'll be in our Cabinet before long.

 

[Googolplex]

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If they neutralised it when Yates had his incident, they clearly SHOULD for this.

Agreed.

But there was the 3km rule there. Not today.

That was not the 3 km rule applied, they "moved" the finish line for the GC to the 1 km banner. They can do the same today.

Exactly

But if there was 3km rule, there also was timing in 3km. Now there wasn't.

 

[MatParker117]

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Neutralise everyone's time at the moment of the crash.

How?

Bikes were transmitting data and they were getting gaps from that for the broadcast, so they will use that data I imagine.

 

[pablopaul]

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Apparently they are trying to use the GPS data to take the times at the point of the crash.

You posted just after me but have heard similar. As I said BMC have (apparently) already been told that result will not stand.

 

[deValtos]

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apparently fans could now "decide" who wins TdF. just start knocking the riders off their bikes and ASO will be fine with that. brilliant.

You do realize this is nowhere near the first time a spectator has caused a crash in pro cycling?

For sure, but if its keeps happening, and more often, to more ludicrous degrees ... something has to change.

 

[staubsauger]

That narcissistic French goof Prudhomme needs to get fired for this. This never happens at the Giro. Yet, Zomegnan had to go in 2011, after Wouter's fatal crash and the controversial route design. It's time to get rid off that nationalistic clown! Prudhomme is a disgrace for cycling!

 

[Poursuivant]

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Are you freaking kidding me? A moto takes out the on the attack yellow jersey on a critical summit finish? Get the damn motos off the roads! Enough of this crap. What a farce!

So no video from the road?

I am sure YouTube will have something tonight mate

 

[Fight.The.Power]

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apparently fans could now "decide" who wins TdF. just start knocking the riders off their bikes and ASO will be fine with that. brilliant.

You do realize this is nowhere near the first time a spectator has caused a crash in pro cycling?

But don't you think it has got worse Hitch ??

 

[Oliwright]

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Well basically any decision will piss off a lot of people.

Organizers should've done better organizing. I would not like to be them right now.

How would giving Froome, Porte and Mollema the same time piss people off? It's the minimum.

Quintana had lost time.

 

[djpbaltimore]

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Apparently they are trying to use the GPS data to take the times at the point of the crash.

Interesting. Mollema reached the lead duo pretty quick, so it couldn't have been more than ~20 secs.

 

[doperhopper]

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Just seen it again; Froome really did panic. While Porte was there patiently adjusting his chain and derailleur, Froome was running up the road. Perhaps he should go on a mechanics course.

new marginal gain idea for brailsford

 

[Ramira]

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Hilarious. Podium "set"? Yates, who's never been tested over 3 weeks is a given over Mollema, Aru, Quintana, and the like? NOt saying he couldn't do it but "podium set" is laughable.

I get you are new to the sport. I appreciate your enthusiasm.

Ventoux is a beast that sorts podiums. Froome, Porte, Yates in Paris, in that order. Baring disaster, your podium is set. Bookmark the post and let's reconvene next Sunday.

Tejay may finally be in spitting distance of a grand tour podium because of this. It's the only way that's possible.

So what you're saying is that the Ventoux sorts podiums. And at the same time the three people on the podium won't be the strongest three up the Ventoux? That's a nice contradiction there.

Not to mention it wasn't the full Ventoux, and we didn't see how it would work out if they had ridden normally to the finish.

It could well be as you said, but based on today there is zero reason to place Yates over Mollema on the podium, based on every metric, including your Ventoux argument.