2016 TdF, Stage 12: Montpellier → Mont Ventoux (178km)

[Ramira]

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I expect something strange in the TT tomorrow. It's been that sort of race.

Well at least in most of the crucial parts (if not all) of a TT there are barriers, like there should have been at the point the crash happened today.

 

[vedrafjord]

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concerning the neutral bike - don't they have a version with strap pedals?

that would be a mercxian retro stunt

 

[spalco]

I'm not happy with this decision. I agree with whoever said this is just ASO covering their own butt.

Race incidents, however farcical or stupid or tragic should not be reversed except in very specific circumstance for good reason (3km rule).

 

[Lyon]

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And then such an incident is happening insulting the whole Tour of France openly in the whole wide world.

In the long, long, long history of the Tour de France, plenty of fan incidents have occurred. It is part of the fabric of the event. ASO will get plenty of extra media attention today. Everybody wins.

Exactly. It's a spectacle, not a sporting event. Only fanboys could see it otherwise.

 

[Lance Armstrong]

Good decision. Road was not passable and they lost time because of that. The same situation as Yates crashing the banner.

 

[roundabout]

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That narcissistic French goof Prudhomme needs to get fired for this. This never happens at the Giro. Yet, Zomegnan had to go in 2011, after Wouter's fatal crash and the controversial route design. It's time to get rid off that nationalistic clown! Prudhomme is a disgrace for cycling!

You can't blame him for public mistakes. You have to remember he shortened the Ventoux summit for public and riders safety.

That's unfair.

No, it ain't unfair. Enough is enough with Prudhomme.

In the end he's the one to take responsibility for a correct organization of this bike race. There should've been barriers, police officers and/or marshals to take care of the fans. Prudhomme eventually takes the guilt for this lack of safety.

We've got a Tour start at Düsseldorf next year. Close to Dinslaken, where many radical islamics and potential terrorists are located. And this incompetent goof should devise a proper safety concept!? No. He needs to go!

It's not just his lack of organization. It's about his arrogance, his constant provocation to the cycling government. His laird behavior towards the riders and unwillingness to share the generated cash with the teams. His pathetic route design that gets worse and worse. Etc. pp.

And then such an incident is happening insulting the whole Tour of France openly in the whole wide world.

He's unbearable from my pov. You can't constantly point percy at others porcelain and then can't get your own act together!

Until the teams at least make a proposal that stages should finish later to maximize the TV audience, I am ok with ASO pocketing all the money.

 

[movingtarget]

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I fear commissaries will fan the flames of a Froome/Sky-hate among the public.

They only have themselves to blame for this.

I think it's some of the fans that need to look at themselves but as McEwen said the moto should have been further ahead and going a bit quicker but I guess he was trying to avoid running down loonies.

 

[Gloin22]

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Dumb fans boo Froome. Sky's charm offensive undone through no fault of their own.

Don't think it's that simple. The dumb fans who hate Froome for no reason will keep hating him, sure.

But real fans realise this wasn't his fault. And shouldn't hold the decision against him. You can hardly call for someone to act like a champion and complain when he tries to get back almost two minutes he lost through no fault of his own.

Fans who boo Froome are probably booing him for the wider fraud that he is, nothing to do with this incident. He's been booed before, that's why sky had to invent the urine narative to make the fans who boo him out to be bad

Different year same s h i t eh Hitch . . . . Don't know why you live in London if you hate the English so much ???

London has more foreigners than English

 

[DFA123]

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I think had Froomes bike not been broken, the times would have stood. The fact neutral service bike was almost unrideable and team car blocked, because there was no barriers to hold the fans back, which incidentally caused the issue in the first place. I think taking times at 1km is good. Arguably Quintana 'might' have not lost as much time had Froome crashed, so Froome not advantaged, others on the attack like Porte & Mollema, obviously disadvantaged along with anyone who might have been attacking out of the Quintana group at the end. You can't please everybody. At least you know things are as least unfair as they can make it with the final decision. No team's going to appeal, it could be any GC rider, not Froome.

I'm very doubtful they would have applied the same neutralization had it been someone like Aru or Martin with the broken bike. Double standard for the yellow jersey again.

 

[Cannibal72]

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The TDF kicked a rider out of the race last year for getting in a car for 50m. Froome should be penalized

Thai post is just endearingly, adorably, hilariously stupid. With this level of intellect you'll be in our Cabinet before long.

They both panicked and both cheated. Simple

Words of one syllable:

To. Run. In. The. Tour. Is. O.K.
It. Is. Not. Wrong. By. The. Rules.
To. Be. Driven. Is.

OK now?

Ok calm down you peasant. I was not aware that running was legal, I was under the impression it was illegal. Not knowing every single rule off by heart does not make me stupid. You are the reason this forum is a piece of ****. Thinking you are superior because you have followed cycling 10 years longer, go fck yourself

Your language is really quite offensive, but I apologise nonetheless.

 

[The Hitch]

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That it happened in the last KM is a factor in my opinion- notwithstanding the polemics concerning the 3km rule not generally applying for the mountain stages that is the obvious difference between this incident and a lot that have been quoted in the pages beforehand.

For example if this had happened on the flat stage with 1km to go and with identical gaps at the time of the crash nobody would back against the decision of awarding froome and porte s.t as Mollema at the end.

People's will always be clouded by favouritism toward one rider or another. In my view it is the correct and just decision from fairness point of view.

It is a just decision. Froome lost time through no fault ofhis own.

The only problem is its never been applied before, and never will be again.

What's outrageous isn't the decision, its the fact that when it happens to anyone else its - cest la vie, such is bike racing. But when it happens to the race favourite who is backed by a global broadcasting super company, suddenly fairness needs to be taken into account.

We've always been taught what happens on the road, happens, can't change it, and the vast majority of people up in arms about this, wouldn't even blink if it had happened to anyone but their favourite.

 

[Red Rick]

Contador just called, he wants his 1'36" back in the 2011 Tour.

 

[ggusta]

Froome keeps the yellow! Well that's it, I'm not watching this **** anymore. They are in Sky's pocket. They want to make Froome the winner no matter what. I'm not going to waste any more of my time with this ****.

Were you watching the sport when Armstrong was wiping the floor at the TdF? Same sport, different guy wearing a GC leader's jersey. This time, ASO is making good money at it.

that's pretty much it, the legitimacy of the 'competition' in major races has been in doubt for a very long time, including last year, including the fraudstrong era. Different faces, but nothing else has changed.

You can't try to run a circus without getting buried in elephant dung every now and again. Although these folks seem to take pleasure in it...

 

[Gigs_98]

Since everyone is talking about the Moto incident nobody has mentioned something else which is very interesting. Quintana was absolutely horrible, being dropped by riders like Yates, Bardet, Aru and Meintjes

 

[Bumeington]

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Hilarious. Podium "set"? Yates, who's never been tested over 3 weeks is a given over Mollema, Aru, Quintana, and the like? NOt saying he couldn't do it but "podium set" is laughable.

I get you are new to the sport. I appreciate your enthusiasm.

Ventoux is a beast that sorts podiums. Froome, Porte, Yates in Paris, in that order. Baring disaster, your podium is set. Bookmark the post and let's reconvene next Sunday.

Tejay may finally be in spitting distance of a grand tour podium because of this. It's the only way that's possible.

Did you watch the stage?

 

[markene2]

Porte getting checked for a knee injury

 

[Gloin22]

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Words of one syllable:

To. Run. In. The. Tour. Is. O.K.
It. Is. Not. Wrong. By. The. Rules.
To. Be. Driven. Is.

OK now?

Ok calm down you peasant. I was not aware that running was legal, I was under the impression it was illegal. Not knowing every single rule off by heart does not make me stupid. You are the reason this forum is a piece of ****. Thinking you are superior because you have followed cycling 10 years longer, go fck yourself

Your language is really quite offensive, but I apologise nonetheless.

Why do you apologize?

The guy is spouting nonense and causing confusion. He says he doesn't know rules -- SO DONT POST ANYTHING '' you peasant''...what an idiot...

 

[roundabout]

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Haha! Tejay denied again... I'm okay with that.

It's wrong that Yates loses time to Froome and Porte.

Nah, he didn't lose time when he was in the wrong place at the wrong time, so it isn't really wrong, that he doesn't benefit from others being unlucky

 

[Ramira]

Since everyone is talking about the Moto incident nobody has mentioned something else which is very interesting. Quintana was absolutely horrible, being dropped by riders like Yates, Bardet, Aru and Meintjes

Yup Quintana wasn't good today. I guess we'll have the final week to find out if it was a one-off, or if he's simply not the same he was last year.

 

[TMP402]

I understand why people are discussing if the neutralization was the right decision but I really don't get why people discuss if it's a different situation than for example in San Sebastian last year because back then it was the fault of the moto and this time a spectator. Thats completely beside the point. It only matters if the rider was affected by something which wasn't his own fault and in both situations that was the case.

To be fair, what could they have done in San Sebastian? Given GVA the win when there was still 10km to race and he had about a 5 second advantage? A one day race isn't really the same as a GT.

Still agree that it's a bad precedent though. The result is basically artificial now - and there is no way they would have done this if the yellow jersey wasn't involved.

Well they kinda did it for Yates, who wasn't the yellow jersey.

 

[movingtarget]

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In the end common sense and cycling won.

Even if we wanted to be precise, Mollema fell and he lost at least 15-20s.

Yes the stage was fecked over but such decisions are never easy.

 

[Sartorius]

Well it's not only my opinion, it's fact now. Quintana is winner in this situation. Even Mollema lost few seconds in a crash and lost his pace so Mollema, Porte and Froome lost some seconds even after neutralization.

 

[Alexandre B.]

Now, the image of Froome running on the Ventoux will just be a side story. Such a pity.

 

[Ruby United]

This is fair! It works for Quintana and Yates and Martin and Valverde and most other riders who wouldve lost more time if not for the crash. It works for Froome who is still in yellow and gets someof the time he would have gotten. It works for Porte who remains at that time. Perhaps the only rider it doesn't work for is Mollema who wouldve gained more time. But at the end of the day you have to make the best decision out of bad options, and that is what ASO have done (it's kind of like deciding whether to vote for Clinton or Trump)

Sometimes you have to use your initiative to get the best out of a situation. Yes, some people will be disgruntled, but I'm glad ASO decided to use their human intellect for once!

 

[Taxus4a]

Fans? organizers to dont do anything, They cut the stage and no take preventional actions for the big public expected.

Organizers didt allow Froome to take more time today.