2016 TdF, Stage 12: Montpellier → Mont Ventoux (178km)

[Flamin]

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TGBM not happy. At all. #makemollemagreatagain

His time would have been neutralized as well, just like they did with Yates when the banner collapsed.

 

[perico]

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My kids love watching the tour on TV, but pictures of drunk 18 stone men wearing mankini's for TV exposure make me uncomfortable to allow them to watch. Why are these idiots not arrested for indecent behaviour?

I love the Tour and & have watched it avidly for 30 years. However it's becoming a shameful spectacle because of the fans. ASO & the UCI need to decide, do they want a bike race or a travelling circus?

Drunken spectators dressing like idiots has become popular indeed, unfortunately. I wish they did something against, but what can you do? I'm not sure if it's possible to arrest them for indecent behaviour.

I can't put the fault really all on the spectators. They cancelled six KMs of the stage last night. Where were all those fans supposed to go. The overcrowding today was purely on the ASO. There's not enough space on Ventoux to really overpack it with fans, unlike Alpe d'huez. It's not the safest climb for spectators, which is why they don't use Ventoux as "the pinnacle" like they do the Alpe.

 

[aarononymous]

So lost in all the drama of the final what does everyone think about the Gerrans crash and waiting up for Sky after Froome's "nature break"? I'm thinking I won't be missing Cancellera.

 

[webvan]

More to the point, what would have happened if he had finished with Froome or Porte ?

 

[42x16ss]

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My kids love watching the tour on TV, but pictures of drunk 18 stone men wearing mankini's for TV exposure make me uncomfortable to allow them to watch. Why are these idiots not arrested for indecent behaviour?

I love the Tour and & have watched it avidly for 30 years. However it's becoming a shameful spectacle because of the fans. ASO & the UCI need to decide, do they want a bike race or a travelling circus?

Drunken spectators dressing like idiots has become popular indeed, unfortunately. I wish they did something against, but what can you do? I'm not sure if it's possible to arrest them for indecent behaviour.

I can't put the fault really all on the spectators. They cancelled six KMs of the stage last night. Where were all those fans supposed to go. The overcrowding today was purely on the ASO. There's not enough space on Ventoux to really overpack it with fans, unlike Alpe d'huez. It's not the safest climb for spectators, which is why they don't use Ventoux as "the pinnacle" like they do the Alpe.

Bull.

I was standing for most of the day just below the 5 km banner and there was room to spare - no crowding at all. With the amount of Gendarme present, they could have easily instructed the crowds to thin out and move further down the mountain.

 

[Pennino]

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My kids love watching the tour on TV, but pictures of drunk 18 stone men wearing mankini's for TV exposure make me uncomfortable to allow them to watch. Why are these idiots not arrested for indecent behaviour?

I love the Tour and & have watched it avidly for 30 years. However it's becoming a shameful spectacle because of the fans. ASO & the UCI need to decide, do they want a bike race or a travelling circus?

Drunken spectators dressing like idiots has become popular indeed, unfortunately. I wish they did something against, but what can you do? I'm not sure if it's possible to arrest them for indecent behaviour.

How about broadcasters switch cameras as soon as an idiot fan starts running.

Please no, we're already missing too much action because of silly switching to breakaway dropouts as someone mentioned earlier in this thread.

Everytime I see those folks again I have the same agressive feeling, wishing I was up there being able to beat the sh*t out of them. That guy with his carboard message for example, right behind the mess with the moto's and the Aru/Yates/Quintana group, desperately looking to be captured. Man o man how I'd loved to see him breaking a leg or two being just slammed over by a moto.

 

[42x16ss]

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Well that was all rather unsatisfactory. But it's only been a matter of time till something like this happened on a MTF. As it's wrecked the Tour's marque stage on Bastille Day, maybe something will happen as a result, but I'm not holding my breath. I'm sure it's not a coincidence that this happened with a short notice change to the finish.

IMHO the outcome is the only possible one but clearly lots of people were disadvantaged, not least Mollema, Froome and Porte. But at least De Gendt and co were home and hosed for the stage win and minor places.

Great ride by Mollema, looked super strong as did LRP.

Something will happen for sure, this wasn't trivial like a small name domestique getting killed. A Briton getting taken out by a moto while wearing the Maillot Jaune will be too much for Cookson to ignore, and rightly so

 

[Arnout]

Cycling is dead.

 

[Bavarianrider]

So basically

- the ASO cancells the top of Ventoux because today's riders can't even fight trough a little wind
- Team Sky crashes => Froome neutralizes the race
-Froome crashes and breakes all rules by running => ASO gives Froome a massive time bonus

What a *** joke this formerly epic race has become. So sad to see

 

[cycladianpirate]

This is hilarious! The CN forum is basically doing exactly what the Commissaires did after the race! "Experts" deciding what is just and fair rather than just letting the chips fall where they may. It's all wonderfully Socialist. God bless you all..

 

[Pennino]

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So lost in all the drama of the final what does everyone think about the Gerrans crash and waiting up for Sky after Froome's "nature break"? I'm thinking I won't be missing Cancellera.

Yeah that was absolutely ridiculous. The race was flat out on and suddenly a couple of domestiques (who however, affected as they were by the crash, couldn't do very much) were the most important of all? But that's unfortunately what it is nowadays. Old guys like Cancellara immediately distracted after seeing a crash, perhaps thinking about their families or whatsoever. And the younger guys who respect them whatever absurd call they make.

 

[42x16ss]

So basically

- the ASO cancells the top of Ventoux because today's riders can't even fight trough a little wind
- Team Sky crashes => Froome neutralizes the race
-Froome crashes and breakes all rules by running => ASO gives Froome a massive time bonus

What a **** joke this formerly epic race has become. So sad to see

To be fair, the wind was outrageous, riders were almost picked up and thrown off the road descending through the vineyards on the way down to Bedoin (me being one of them). The top would have been even worse.

The right decision was made in shortening the stage.

 

[Pricey_sky]

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Just a comment from the OP here.

I've been reading this forum for at least six years, and I know it can get nasty sometimes. Having read through 100+ pages of this thread, I still feel saddened by it. People wishing death and violence upon others. Spewing vitriol against riders, posters, you name it. July crowd and the tragedy of the commons, I know. I wish we would all just think a moment before posting, newcomers and veterans alike. Am I contributing something of positive value to the world, or negative? Obviously I'm not criticizing all of you, most know how to behave themselves. All I'm saying is that it's making me have second thoughts about the effort I put into contributing here. And I am aware of the futility of this comment. Sigh.

Mantis

I agree with your comments, it's a real shame.

I hope the majority of regular posters (and new ones) on this forum really appreciate the effort you've put in on this Tour to get a great stage thread done, every day before a stage, I know I do.

I've said it before, but thank you for your efforts.

 

[cycladianpirate]

So basically

- the ASO cancells the top of Ventoux because today's riders can't even fight trough a little wind
- Team Sky crashes => Froome neutralizes the race
-Froome crashes and breakes all rules by running => ASO gives Froome a massive time bonus

What a **** joke this formerly epic race has become. So sad to see

I dislike Froome as much as anyone but one can't argue with todays images. its pointless to watch live cycling anymore.

You will be delighted to learn there is a cure for that.....don't.

 

[Pennino]

So basically

- the ASO cancells the top of Ventoux because today's riders can't even fight trough a little wind
- Team Sky crashes => Froome neutralizes the race
-Froome crashes and breakes all rules by running => ASO gives Froome a massive time bonus

What a **** joke this formerly epic race has become. So sad to see

- 100k/h of wind is absurd, good to see them making a firm call.
- Riders waiting for Team Sky is their own bloody fault.
- It wasn't a normal crash but something 100% caused by external agents.

I never liked Sky though, but fair play to Froome today, as to Quintana and Van Garderen.

 

[Arnout]

So basically

- the ASO cancells the top of Ventoux because today's riders can't even fight trough a little wind
- Team Sky crashes => Froome neutralizes the race
-Froome crashes and breakes all rules by running => ASO gives Froome a massive time bonus

What a **** joke this formerly epic race has become. So sad to see

I dislike Froome as much as anyone but one can't argue with todays images. Even more than with doping its pointless to watch live cycling anymore.

You will be delighted to learn there is a cure for that.....don't.

Well i work during daytime so i record it. Lots of fun during the Giro, not so much in July...

 

[Bavarianrider]

So basically

- the ASO cancells the top of Ventoux because today's riders can't even fight trough a little wind
- Team Sky crashes => Froome neutralizes the race
-Froome crashes and breakes all rules by running => ASO gives Froome a massive time bonus

What a **** joke this formerly epic race has become. So sad to see

- 100k/h of wind is absurd, good to see them making a firm call.
- Riders waiting for Team Sky is their own bloody fault.
- It wasn't a normal crash but something 100% caused by external agents.

I never liked Sky though, but fair play to Froome today, as to Quintana and Van Garderen.

Absurd is going over the Alps and Pyrennes on 30 kilo bikes with no shfting. Yet they did it.
Absurd is going down mountai rioads with 100km/h. Yet they are doing it every day.

Wind on the Ventoux is nothing compared to that.- Today was a chance for an epic stage that makes the tour what it is. Instead we got one of the most disgraceful days of cycling. but okay, I see that most eope won't see that on a Froome fanboy forum.

 

[laurensde+]

Wind on the Ventoux is nothing compared to that.

Yesterday, on the last hairpin before the top:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8byKzVqiQ1g

Good luck with that.

 

[staubsauger]

So basically

- the ASO cancells the top of Ventoux because today's riders can't even fight trough a little wind
- Team Sky crashes => Froome neutralizes the race
-Froome crashes and breakes all rules by running => ASO gives Froome a massive time bonus

What a **** joke this formerly epic race has become. So sad to see

- 100k/h of wind is absurd, good to see them making a firm call.
- Riders waiting for Team Sky is their own bloody fault.
- It wasn't a normal crash but something 100% caused by external agents.

I never liked Sky though, but fair play to Froome today, as to Quintana and Van Garderen.

Absurd is going over the Alps and Pyrennes on 30 kilo bikes with no shfting. Yet they did it.
Absurd is going down mountai rioads with 100km/h. Yet they are doing it every day.

Wind on the Ventoux is nothing compared to that.- Today was a chance for an epic stage that makes the tour what it is. Instead we got one of the most disgraceful days of cycling. but okay, I see that most eope won't see that on a Froome fanboy forum.

Michael Rasmussen rode up the Ventoux yesterday for Ekstrabladet.dk and in his video other cyclist were literally blown off their bikes in a hairpin. Today the wind was even harder.

 

[SlickMongoose]

Crazy.

Nice though it would have been to see Yates wearing yellow, probably the right call..... Winds and spectators conspire to ruin what could have been an epic stage.

 

[Cookster15]

So basically

- the ASO cancells the top of Ventoux because today's riders can't even fight trough a little wind
- Team Sky crashes => Froome neutralizes the race
-Froome crashes and breakes all rules by running => ASO gives Froome a massive time bonus

What a **** joke this formerly epic race has become. So sad to see

- 100k/h of wind is absurd, good to see them making a firm call.
- Riders waiting for Team Sky is their own bloody fault.
- It wasn't a normal crash but something 100% caused by external agents.

I never liked Sky though, but fair play to Froome today, as to Quintana and Van Garderen.

Absurd is going over the Alps and Pyrennes on 30 kilo bikes with no shfting. Yet they did it.
Absurd is going down mountai rioads with 100km/h. Yet they are doing it every day.

Wind on the Ventoux is nothing compared to that.- Today was a chance for an epic stage that makes the tour what it is. Instead we got one of the most disgraceful days of cycling. but okay, I see that most eope won't see that on a Froome fanboy forum.

Froome fanboy forum? Not where I'm looking from. But if the winds really were Forcecast to be 125km/h then I think ASO had little choice. You do know that is a Cat 1 Hurricane force? Its not just riders but motos and spectators who would be in jeopardy with gusts like that.

 

[Pennino]

So basically

- the ASO cancells the top of Ventoux because today's riders can't even fight trough a little wind
- Team Sky crashes => Froome neutralizes the race
-Froome crashes and breakes all rules by running => ASO gives Froome a massive time bonus

What a **** joke this formerly epic race has become. So sad to see

- 100k/h of wind is absurd, good to see them making a firm call.
- Riders waiting for Team Sky is their own bloody fault.
- It wasn't a normal crash but something 100% caused by external agents.

I never liked Sky though, but fair play to Froome today, as to Quintana and Van Garderen.

Absurd is going over the Alps and Pyrennes on 30 kilo bikes with no shfting. Yet they did it.
Absurd is going down mountai rioads with 100km/h. Yet they are doing it every day.

Wind on the Ventoux is nothing compared to that.- Today was a chance for an epic stage that makes the tour what it is. Instead we got one of the most disgraceful days of cycling. but okay, I see that most eope won't see that on a Froome fanboy forum.

It's far from right comparing those things. Cycling is about riding a bike and with too much wind it's not possible. They saw how people got blown off their bikes the day before, end of the story.

 

[DirtyWorks]

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Crazy.

Nice though it would have been to see Yates wearing yellow, probably the right call..... Winds and spectators conspire to ruin what could have been an epic stage.

That was an epic stage. One for the history books. I'm not a fan of how they sorted the GC times out, but, whatever.

 

[bigcog]

https://twitter.com/11uisagusti/status/753661716815314944

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

FWIW, I agree with shortening the stage today given the wind. It's a bike race, not Survivor.

Also agree with the ASO decision. There is no reason for riders to lose time like that on a decisive stage because of a spectator's stupidity. If the times had been allowed to stand, who's to say some other nut job doesn't decide he/she has a free ride to knock their favorite rider's rival off their bikes?