2016 Tour de Suisse, 11-19 June

[gunara]

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What is the correct spelling. I'm confused now. Is it Izaguirre or Izagirre?

And you didn't even bring up Ion v Jon

Intxausti, Insausti, Inchausti

 

[liamito]

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Lopez has always had a really good TT, so I'm not surprised at his level.

Yeah right. {{=lol}}

 

[Escarabajo]

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Lopez has always had a really good TT, so I'm not surprised at his level.

Yeah right. {{=lol}}

I called it even before the stage because I knew he was good on TT. If you don't know, please save it. Independent of any clinic issues he was always good on this discipline.

 

[Escarabajo]

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Ion is excellent TT. Lopez is not bad either.

Well. I did my homework.

 

[AlexNYC]

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Lopez has always had a really good TT, so I'm not surprised at his level.

Yeah right. {{=lol}}

Well, he is arguably the best Colombian time-trialist. I don't think he would be close to Cancellara in a flat course, but this was a hilly one. I definitely believe he will be a better ITTer than Ion, for example.

 

[Escarabajo]

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Lopez better than Cancellara
What a ride!

It tops Contador's 2009 Annecy time trial

That was a top Cancellara. This one is an old and out of shape Cancellara.

 

[AlexNYC]

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Ion is excellent TT. Lopez is not bad either.

Well. I did my homework.

Good call!

 

[lejarreta]

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What is the correct spelling. I'm confused now. Is it Izaguirre or Izagirre?

And you didn't even bring up Ion v Jon

Intxausti, Insausti, Inchausti

The correct Basque spelling is Izagirre. Izaguirre is Spanish spelling. You may meet people in LatinAmerica as Yzaguirre. Ion and Jon are both correct Basque spellings, being Jon more popular.
There are two main reasons why many of us have our family names spelled in Spanish. The oldest one being that people working for State institutions did not know Basque, the more modern one that in Franco's time Basque was forbidden and names had to be in Spanish.
In my mom's family there are siblings having their mom's family name spelled different ways.

 

[Escarabajo]

Did anybody expect Cancellara to win? I didn't. This guy looks tired and exhausted. IMHO.

 

[More Strides than Rides]

Will be an interesting final stage. I want to see Lopez hold on; the perfect narrative of "good domestique finally gets his chance to lead". I strongly dislike like Talansky and Garmin, but wouldn't mind someone raising the bar for American cycling. Izaguirre is the same Lopez/Domestique-gets-his-day story, plus the element of "TTer exceeds expectations in the mountains". Barguil too is someone I'd like to see win, and he could, for a Giant team that I want ot do well, and be more than a Dumoulin/Degenkolb show. It's been a great race so far, and tomorrow will seal the deal as long as they're not too worn out.

 

[lejarreta]

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Did anybody expect Cancellara to win? I didn't. This guy looks tired and exhausted. IMHO.

I couldn't see Cancelara's ride, but when I tuned in and saw he was first, but looked his face when Wilco was just 2 secs behind, I realized that even he did know he was not going to win this one.

 

[May0maniac]

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so who is the best descender out of lopez,izaguirre and talansky?

Izagirre.

I wouldn't put my money on that, both are great descenders.

 

[May0maniac]

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Either Barguil pulls out a big, fat rabbit out of his hat tomorrow or the French drought looks set to continue.

Well Little Colombians are all flying these days...

Lopez is 170cm tall and 65kg, have you seen his calves and his upper body? He almost looks like a sprinter, a bit like Sergio Henao, so the fact that he's able to do well in an ITT isn't a huge surprise, he's heavier than Talansky or top stage racers like Contador and Nibali.

 

[liamito]

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Ion is excellent TT. Lopez is not bad either.

Well. I did my homework.

"not bad" The guy finished 2nd, how can you not be surprised with that?

 

[BigMac]

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so who is the best descender out of lopez,izaguirre and talansky?

Izagirre.

I wouldn't put my money on that, both are great descenders.

Talansky's not too shabby himself.

 

[jaylew]

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Will be an interesting final stage. I want to see Lopez hold on; the perfect narrative of "good domestique finally gets his chance to lead". I strongly dislike like Talansky and Garmin, but wouldn't mind someone raising the bar for American cycling. Izaguirre is the same Lopez/Domestique-gets-his-day story, plus the element of "TTer exceeds expectations in the mountains". Barguil too is someone I'd like to see win, and he could, for a Giant team that I want ot do well, and be more than a Dumoulin/Degenkolb show. It's been a great race so far, and tomorrow will seal the deal as long as they're not too worn out.

I see Lopez and Izagirre wins a slightly differently as I don't see Lopez as a domestique finally getting a chance to lead. He's only a year and a half into his career and he's already led Astana a few times in stage races, including Swiss last year. I don't think Astana expects him to be too much of a domestique. I figure they expect big things from him in the not so distant future.

 

[May0maniac]

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so who is the best descender out of lopez,izaguirre and talansky?

Izagirre.

I wouldn't put my money on that, both are great descenders.

Talansky's not too shabby himself.

Yeah, I was thinking about Talansky and Izaguirre, both are great descenders, no Idea how good Superman Lopez is.

 

[liamito]

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so who is the best descender out of lopez,izaguirre and talansky?

Izagirre.

I wouldn't put my money on that, both are great descenders.

Talansky's not too shabby himself.

Yeah, I was thinking about Talansky and Izaguirre, both are great descenders, no Idea how good Superman Lopez is.

Is the descent technical? Talansky might even struggle to stay with the best uphill, he looked vulnerable many times this week.

 

[KyoGrey]

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What is the correct spelling. I'm confused now. Is it Izaguirre or Izagirre?

And you didn't even bring up Ion v Jon

Intxausti, Insausti, Inchausti

The correct Basque spelling is Izagirre. Izaguirre is Spanish spelling. You may meet people in LatinAmerica as Yzaguirre. Ion and Jon are both correct Basque spellings, being Jon more popular.
There are two main reasons why many of us have our family names spelled in Spanish. The oldest one being that people working for State institutions did not know Basque, the more modern one that in Franco's time Basque was forbidden and names had to be in Spanish.
In my mom's family there are siblings having their mom's family name spelled different ways.

This is blatantly false.

The "re-Basquisation" of traditional Basque surnames dropping castillian-like linguistic spellings such as Churruca/Txurruka or Izaguirre/Izagirre is a recent phenomenon that started in the 60's with the creation of Standard Basque or euskera batua that has ultimately allowed the survival of that wonderful language but that at the same time included artificial spelling modifications such as the introduction of the "tx" and "k" letters for everything or the dropping of the silent "u" in Gui or Gue to further differenciate it visually from Spanish.

If Ion Izagirre had been born before Franco, or in the 19th, 17th or 16th century he would have been called Izaguirre. As Amets Txurruka probably most famous ascendent, Cosme Damián Churruca, proud Basque, did in the day.

The same can be said for half of the "traditional" Basque names, which far from having a milenarial background, were directly invented by Sabino Arana in it's "Calendario/Santoral Vasco" 100 years ago in order to have an alternative to the castillian names that most of Basque-speaking people used up to that time.

Cheers

 

[May0maniac]

Talansky is a diesel who always seems to struggle a bit at the start of a climb, but in the end he's usually somewhat decent.
Superman Lopez should try to drop him and Ion on the final climb, Barguil could be a strong ally.

 

[Cance > TheRest]

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Did anybody expect Cancellara to win? I didn't. This guy looks tired and exhausted. IMHO.

He has been the best time trialist of anybody this spring and he won the prologue despite disadvantageous conditions. The route was clearly just too hilly today. But yes, I actually expected Fabian to win, because of how good he was in the prologue and because of great he was in the spring.

Anyhow, I'm not disappointed. Izagirre is a great time trialist aswell and very underrated in general. On the other hand, G Thomas is and has been very overrated in the time trial for quite some time. I cannot believe anyone thought he was gonna win the Tour de Suisse this year

 

[Escarabajo]

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Ion is excellent TT. Lopez is not bad either.

Well. I did my homework.

"not bad" The guy finished 2nd, how can you not be surprised with that?

Ok. Maybe not second but since he is in good shape and he was fighting for podium I was predicting him to be top 5.

 

[Vino attacks everyone]

Superman did a great stage today

 

[Red Rick]

I think they should move the Tour de Suisse back a week. Shouldn't matter that it clashes witht the Dauphine. You can't do both anyway, and I think that way the TdS can attract a better field.

 

[lejarreta]

Re: Re:

What is the correct spelling. I'm confused now. Is it Izaguirre or Izagirre?

And you didn't even bring up Ion v Jon

Intxausti, Insausti, Inchausti

The correct Basque spelling is Izagirre. Izaguirre is Spanish spelling. You may meet people in LatinAmerica as Yzaguirre. Ion and Jon are both correct Basque spellings, being Jon more popular.
There are two main reasons why many of us have our family names spelled in Spanish. The oldest one being that people working for State institutions did not know Basque, the more modern one that in Franco's time Basque was forbidden and names had to be in Spanish.
In my mom's family there are siblings having their mom's family name spelled different ways.

This is blatantly false.

The "re-Basquisation" of traditional Basque surnames dropping castillian-like linguistic spellings such as Churruca/Txurruka or Izaguirre/Izagirre is a recent phenomenon that started in the 60's with the creation of Standard Basque or euskera batua that has ultimately allowed the survival of that wonderful language but that at the same time included artificial spelling modifications such as the introduction of the "tx" and "k" letters for everything or the dropping of the silent "u" in Gui or Gue to further differenciate it visually from Spanish.

If Ion Izagirre had been born before Franco, or in the 19th, 17th or 16th century he would have been called Izaguirre. As Amets Txurruka probably most famous ascendent, Cosme Damián Churruca, proud Basque, did in the day.

The same can be said for half of the "traditional" Basque names, which far from having a milenarial background, were directly invented by Sabino Arana in it's "Calendario/Santoral Vasco" 100 years ago in order to have an alternative to the castillian names that most of Basque-speaking people used up to that time.

Cheers

Maybe I explained myself incorrectly, but please could you be less harsh! O menos hiriente, chico.
I've got all my familiy names dated until 17th century spelled different wyas, AND has nothing to do with Batua. As I have mentioned, the isssue before 20th century was that the "secretarios civiles", most of them, didn't know Basque, so they wrote the names as they understood it. Basques, were not literate and plain people didn't speak Spanish, so they didn't check. It has nothing to do with Sabino. Most of the spelling and wording in Batua has removed anything related to Sabino. Please, in Basque there are 3 different pronutiations: "tx", "tz" and "ts", you castillian boy ALL of them transalate it to CH.

My best

Apa, y saludos wapo