2016 Vuelta a España, stage 11: Colunga > Peña Cabarga

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yaco said:
Konig is riding a good race - Does he have a contract for 2017 ?
No, but some rumours suggest the he's going for Bora-Hansgrohe next season, but after this display it's a little bit hard to guess
 
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TMP402 said:
SeriousSam said:
For those having the done the counting, how are things distributed over the 3 GTs? Tour stages obviously count a lot more.
Froome: 5 Tour road stages + 2 ITT, 2 Vuelta road stages + 1 TTT

Contador: 2 Tour road stages + 1 ITT + 1 TTT, 5 Vuelta road stages

Unless of course you follow through Netserk's fantasy where doping is legal.
Lol.

Oh, Annency, when Contador beat Cancellara and Wiggins and put over a minute on Martin, Evans and Armtrong on a 40km flat ITT.
 
Oct 6, 2009
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As a longtime Contador fan, this:

Red Rick said:
Tinkoff is riding a hard pace in order to isolate Contador
and this:

Red Rick said:
Contador wants to be in the red before starting the climb, so he doesn't blow up attacking or following a move.
made me :lol:
 
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LaFlorecita said:
DFA123 said:
SeriousSam said:
For those having the done the counting, how are things distributed over the 3 GTs? Tour stages obviously count a lot more.
Froome has won seven in the Tour. Contador has won three there (plus one TTT); all in 2009, apart from the Plateau de Beille stage gifted to him by Rasmussen in 2007.
Wow, you really hate Contador a lot, don't you?
No I don't. And let's abide by the rules here.
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DFA123 said:
LaFlorecita said:
DFA123 said:
SeriousSam said:
For those having the done the counting, how are things distributed over the 3 GTs? Tour stages obviously count a lot more.
Froome has won seven in the Tour. Contador has won three there (plus one TTT); all in 2009, apart from the Plateau de Beille stage gifted to him by Rasmussen in 2007.
Wow, you really hate Contador a lot, don't you?
No I don't. And let's abide by the rules here.
Post, not the poster. If you don't like what a post says, counter the post. Do not attack the poster. Personal comments, such as "Your mother wears army boots", are considered personal attacks, and thus fall under the "looking for a fight" rule. If you are using the word "you", you are probably engaging in a personal attack.
If you read the rules so carefully you probably also noticed your post could be considered to be against the rules as well.... :)
 
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Rollthedice said:
DFA123 said:
Cance > TheRest said:
Don't know if this has been posted yet:
2016:5,9 km@9,3%---16:58---average speed 20.86 km/h(Froome-Quintana)
2013:5,9 km@9,3%---16:42---average speed 21.20 km/h(Chris Horner)-RECORD
2011:5,9 km@9,3%---17:15---average speed 20.52 km/h(Christopher Froome)
2010:5,9 km@9,3%---17:01---average speed 20.80 km/h(Joaquim Rodriguez)
lol, Horner's time is absurd. Coming in the 3rd week of a brutal tour, and at the end of a tough mountain stage, not a flat one like today.
It's even more absurd if you watch Froome/Cobo combo 2011 sprinting at supersonic speeds just to be like 30 sec. slower than Hornerito.
Even more ridiculous is possibility, that the measurements can be wrong.
 
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PremierAndrew said:
Gigs_98 said:
Cance > TheRest said:
Don't know if this has been posted yet:
2016:5,9 km@9,3%---16:58---average speed 20.86 km/h(Froome-Quintana)
2013:5,9 km@9,3%---16:42---average speed 21.20 km/h(Chris Horner)-RECORD
2011:5,9 km@9,3%---17:15---average speed 20.52 km/h(Christopher Froome)
2010:5,9 km@9,3%---17:01---average speed 20.80 km/h(Joaquim Rodriguez)
Would be interesting how it would have been if either Quintana's or Froome's attack would have worked, since they lost a few seconds looking at each other. Horners time probably would have been impossible tough.
Still wonder how the hell Horner managed to do what he did in 2013. Clinic stuff on its own is not enough of an explanation
Magic :rolleyes:
 
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Netserk said:
SeriousSam said:
For those having the done the counting, how are things distributed over the 3 GTs? Tour stages obviously count a lot more.
Contador: 2/3/5 = 10
Froome: 0/7/2 = 9
Nibali: 4/5/0 = 9
Just for Nibali: 6 in Giro (Asollo 2010, ITT Nevegal - Contador DSQ 2011, Bardonechia - Santa DSQ, Polsa ITT, Tre Cime 2013, Risoul 2016), 5 in Le Tour. In the books there are 11 wins, on the road there are 9.
 
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Sykes said:
yaco said:
Konig is riding a good race - Does he have a contract for 2017 ?
No, but some rumours suggest the he's going for Bora-Hansgrohe next season, but after this display it's a little bit hard to guess
I realise Konig is injury/illness prone but he would be a good catch for 5 or 6 teams who need a GC leader for Giro/Vuelta as well as one week stage races.
 
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Brullnux said:
jens_attacks is never wrong.
When someone says that you know with absolute certainity he's wrong.

Edit: I better stress that it is nothing against jens.
 
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Arredondo said:
A 'tired' Valverde who is working for Quintana is even better then Contador.

That's embarassing.
Slightly embarrassing on one hand, but mightily impressive on the other hand. Well, probably a bit more than slightly embarrassing thinking about it, but we are witnessing the greatest rider of the generation at work. Valverde is at a laughable high level, its insane. :D
 

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Rollthedice said:
Netserk said:
SeriousSam said:
For those having the done the counting, how are things distributed over the 3 GTs? Tour stages obviously count a lot more.
Contador: 2/3/5 = 10
Froome: 0/7/2 = 9
Nibali: 4/5/0 = 9
Just for Nibali: 6 in Giro (Asollo 2010, ITT Nevegal - Contador DSQ 2011, Bardonechia - Santa DSQ, Polsa ITT, Tre Cime 2013, Risoul 2016), 5 in Le Tour. In the books there are 11 wins, on the road there are 9.
That´s the only way Nibali can win something to Contador.
 
Contador was really lucky to win 2014 Vuelta, becouse he had the same level, and Froome as well, he has just to follow Froome, and he lost some seconnds some dayss,as today, and he just put time on Froome after sucking wheel long time.

Froome ayd in the ITT he calculate some wattios andwith that he started stronger than his level and he payed it in the middleof the ITT. All we knows than even without his best level he is much better than this. http://www.cqranking.com/men/asp/gen/race.asp?raceid=26614 (he lost time with Samu, 1:17 with Uran...)

That allowed Contador to manage the race without problems.

He will try something, of course, that i god for cycling maybe this next too days.. with rain he could even recover time, at least with Froome (but at the end of Los lagos it was raining)
 
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TMP402 said:
SeriousSam said:
For those having the done the counting, how are things distributed over the 3 GTs? Tour stages obviously count a lot more.
Froome: 5 Tour road stages + 2 ITT, 2 Vuelta road stages + 1 TTT

Contador: 2 Tour road stages + 1 ITT + 1 TTT, 5 Vuelta road stages

Unless of course you follow through Netserk's fantasy where doping is legal.
It is definitely not fantasy, that is what I saw while watching these races as well. Whoever crosses the line first wins that race, I don't care about anything else.
 
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Observations from the rewatching:

1- Valverde's road block seemed like a movistar gang-up on Froome at first but really was unintentional. Zero harm zero affect.
2- With 500m to go, Contador was 16 seconds behind the leading duo and was able to finish 8 seconds behind. The leading duo slowed a bit until the final 200m, but AC did a very good finale especially considering he's not a good sprinter.
3- The time distance between Froome's second wheel and Quintana's first wheel at the finish was 0.7-0.8 seconds (according to my amateur measurements) so the same time result seems fair.
 
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TMP402 said:
SeriousSam said:
For those having the done the counting, how are things distributed over the 3 GTs? Tour stages obviously count a lot more.
Froome: 5 Tour road stages + 2 ITT, 2 Vuelta road stages + 1 TTT

Contador: 2 Tour road stages + 1 ITT + 1 TTT, 5 Vuelta road stages

Unless of course you follow through Netserk's fantasy where doping is legal.
In this case Netserk's fantasy is actually partly right. Doping is not okay but we can't change what we saw. Or do you remember how stupid Andy Schleck was to make track stands although he didn't even have an opponent? And the podium of the giro 2011 where Scarponi didn't know the first one is supposed to stand in the middle? And I also still don't understand why Rujano seemed to be so much more happy after his 2nd stage win on the Großglockner than after his first one on the Etna.

A Contador fan who watched the Etna stage 2011 will always think about that positively and someone who dislikes Contador will always think bad about that stage. That doesn't change only because the official results were changed.
 
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IMA said:
Rollthedice said:
Netserk said:
SeriousSam said:
For those having the done the counting, how are things distributed over the 3 GTs? Tour stages obviously count a lot more.
Contador: 2/3/5 = 10
Froome: 0/7/2 = 9
Nibali: 4/5/0 = 9
Just for Nibali: 6 in Giro (Asollo 2010, ITT Nevegal - Contador DSQ 2011, Bardonechia - Santa DSQ, Polsa ITT, Tre Cime 2013, Risoul 2016), 5 in Le Tour. In the books there are 11 wins, on the road there are 9.
That´s the only way Nibali can win something to Contador.
Unless you include cobbles. Or descents. But an MTT at the peak of Contador? Then yes, that is the only way he could have ever beaten Contador.
 
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burning said:
It is definitely not fantasy, that is what I saw while watching these races as well. Whoever crosses the line first wins that race, I don't care about anything else.
This is why we can't have nice things.

If someone cheated their way into something, they didn't really achieve it. Was everyone cheating? No. Where most of them? Who knows. Contador got caught and stripped of his results. That's the actual bottom line. The rest is fantasy.
 
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carton said:
burning said:
It is definitely not fantasy, that is what I saw while watching these races as well. Whoever crosses the line first wins that race, I don't care about anything else.
This is why we can't have nice things.

If someone cheated their way into something, they didn't really achieve it. Was everyone cheating? No. Where most of them? Who knows. Contador got caught and stripped of his results. That's the actual bottom line. The rest is fantasy.
No, the bottom line is Contador was the winner of those stages and races. That is not fantasy, it is reality.
 

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