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There's a definite procedure to answer who won the race and that is to look at the organizer's records.
According to http://www.letour.fr/HISTO/us/TDF/2001/index.html nobody won the 2001 Tour
Similarly, according to http://www.giroditalia.it/eng/albo-doro/ the 2011 Giro was won by Scarponi
burning said:SeriousSam said:It's fine to concoct subjective rules and evaluate things with respect to those rules. There are no thought crimes.
But in the real world, we have definite procedures to determine the outcome of a contest, and Contador no more won the Giro in 2011 and the Tour in 2010 than Al Gore won the US Presidency in 2000.
Can you give an "definite" answer who won 2001 Tour by your "definite" procedure? You can not, so your procedure is not definite at all. For Al Gore, I probably missed the part when he won the US Presidency, but I guess you think that he won at some point.
There's a definite procedure to answer who won the race and that is to look at the organizer's records.
According to http://www.letour.fr/HISTO/us/TDF/2001/index.html nobody won the 2001 Tour
Similarly, according to http://www.giroditalia.it/eng/albo-doro/ the 2011 Giro was won by Scarponi