2016 Vuelta a España, stage 15: Sabiñánigo > Aramón Formigal

[Alexandre B.]

https://twitter.com/MorenoMoser/status/772484864117444608
@MorenoMoser
What about the guys who went full gas, alone, until the finish line?

 

[hrotha]

You can't make up arbitrary rules on the spot. However, they should definitely revise the rules at the end of the season and set things right.

 

[Bavarianrider]

Re: 2016 Vuelta a España, stage 15: Sabiñánigo > Aramón Form

If they don't disqualify them it's just another nail in the coffin of road cycling. What frikkin joke this once epic sport has become.

 

[jsem94]

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https://twitter.com/MorenoMoser/status/772484864117444608
@MorenoMoser
What about the guys who went full gas, alone, until the finish line?

Hence why this needs to end. The sponsors shouldn't be able to strong-arm the organizers like this.

 

[veji11]

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https://twitter.com/MorenoMoser/status/772484864117444608
@MorenoMoser
What about the guys who went full gas, alone, until the finish line?

Hence why this needs to end. The sponsors shouldn't be able to strong-arm the organizers like this.

I think there should be rules that when big groups arrive past the TL, the organisation can disqualify or fine them. in this case for example, have the org fine them 1 000 franc suisse per rider. They will remember it for next time. For some teams that 5 or 6 000 Francs is a bit painful.

 

[Jungle Cycle]

Lets see how and who tomorrow will be "dominant'...

 

[Escarabajo]

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Those 93 guys didn't even try to race today.

1 hour gap on a 3 hours race? I would have done damn better than them. Total shame on them. Disgraceful for cycling. And they should be punished, but...

Not after that queen stage and 2 weeks of racing!

Having said that, 1hr in a 3 hr stage!!! LOL. We have a new definition of outside the time limit.

 

[HelloDolly]

Watching ITV4 Highlights ...Before the race started Contador & Quintana were chatting at the start
.When race started Froome was way back in a strung out peloton....Lots of SKY riders all over the road ....one upfront who fell back but Frrome had to close the gap to the second group on the road himself after 6KM ....then Puccio & Lopez went to the front of the 2nd group..only SKY riders up front .The gap was 14 seconds .Contador was at the front o the race and pushing but the SKY doms did not go fast enough and lost more and more time
Behind in the 3rd group 5 SKY doms at the front going at a very relaxed pace ....

Still find it hard ot understand how they lost so much time ...ie 6 minutes in a very short time while the 2nd group lost 2 minutes in the same time

 

[ILovecycling]

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Had to laugh with Valverde pinging of the front every now and then to mess up the group's rhythm.

Man I wish I could have watched the stage....

Me too

 

[PremierAndrew]

Riders inside the time limit

 

[DanielSong39]

Race officials should consider docking WorldTour points and instituting automatic fines for finishing outside the time limit... that way the grupetto will at least pick it up a little next time.

No reason why they couldn't finish, say, 30 minutes behind.

 

[Escarabajo]

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Watching ITV4 Highlights ...Before the race started Contador & Quintana were chatting at the start
.When race started Froome was way back in a strung out peloton....Lots of SKY riders all over the road ....one upfront who fell back but Frrome had to close the gap to the second group on the road himself after 6KM ....then Puccio & Lopez went to the front of the 2nd group..only SKY riders up front .The gap was 14 seconds .Contador was at the front o the race and pushing but the SKY doms did not go fast enough and lost more and more time
Behind in the 3rd group 5 SKY doms at the front going at a very relaxed pace ....

Still find it hard ot understand how they lost so much time ...ie 6 minutes in a very short time while the 2nd group lost 2 minutes in the same time

Around 85 km in they all gave up. Looked at the full stage. Herrada was trying to convince them to keep working but they all looked at each other and even talked to each other for what it looked like an agreement to stay together to avoid elimination. From that point on it was a peaceful ride in that group.

 

[Anderis]

Re: 2016 Vuelta a España, stage 15: Sabiñánigo > Aramón Form

Reading the first page of the thread is hillarious now. At least one person predicted the Brambilla's win. :lol:

 

[Red Rick]

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Brambilla from a break.

Some break it was

 

[HelloDolly]

Re: Re:

Watching ITV4 Highlights ...Before the race started Contador & Quintana were chatting at the start
.When race started Froome was way back in a strung out peloton....Lots of SKY riders all over the road ....one upfront who fell back but Frrome had to close the gap to the second group on the road himself after 6KM ....then Puccio & Lopez went to the front of the 2nd group..only SKY riders up front .The gap was 14 seconds .Contador was at the front o the race and pushing but the SKY doms did not go fast enough and lost more and more time
Behind in the 3rd group 5 SKY doms at the front going at a very relaxed pace ....

Still find it hard ot understand how they lost so much time ...ie 6 minutes in a very short time while the 2nd group lost 2 minutes in the same time

Around 85 km in they all gave up. Looked at the full stage. Herrada was trying to convince them to keep working but they all looked at each other and even talked to each other for what it looked like an agreement to stay together to avoid elimination. From that point on it was a peaceful ride in that group.

I was talking about the SKY doms in 3rd group losing 6 mins to the front group while the 2nd group lost 2 minutes in the same time from the point the 1st group was only 14 seconds ahead when they all started chasing ....The third group had 5 SKY doms, the 2nd had only 2 while front group was smallest ....(Not about why/when the 90 riders sat up )

MY point is the SKY chase was pants

 

[HelloDolly]

David Millar also asking about the road captain foe SKy

Also saying he thinks Froome is now exhausted

 

[doperhopper]

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Can't believe I traded this for the beach. Only tuned in with 7k to go.

Few questions: Who started the move? When did it happen? Was Froome dropped due to bad legs or caught helpless in team tactics? What did Contador do?

Thanks. And we should stop complaining about stage lenght. Some of the best stages we've gotten recently (in memory) were short, it encourages moves from far out. When was the last time a leg-shredder wth more than 200kms actually delivered? Honest question, might have even been just months ago, I just don't remember.

The corvara stage in the giro this year. Moreover the thing is that there just aren't so many long mountain stages. The brutal giro stage of 2011 was great and the last tdf stage with 3 HC climbs was the one schleck won in 2011, so the long mountain stages work quite often too.

Froome was chilling at the back about at the start of the stage, Contador attacked on a downhill, and the peloton split. Valverde later attacked the peloton for no reason other than to to derail the Sky train, isolating Froome.

and that's how the race was won - let's not forget this crucial moment and praise Piti and the whole Movi for a superb tactical move (looks illogical at the first glance, pulling Vroom towards Nairo, but it was these few minutes that doomed the SkyTrain)

 

[Jungle Cycle]

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Can't believe I traded this for the beach. Only tuned in with 7k to go.

Few questions: Who started the move? When did it happen? Was Froome dropped due to bad legs or caught helpless in team tactics? What did Contador do?

Thanks. And we should stop complaining about stage lenght. Some of the best stages we've gotten recently (in memory) were short, it encourages moves from far out. When was the last time a leg-shredder wth more than 200kms actually delivered? Honest question, might have even been just months ago, I just don't remember.

The corvara stage in the giro this year. Moreover the thing is that there just aren't so many long mountain stages. The brutal giro stage of 2011 was great and the last tdf stage with 3 HC climbs was the one schleck won in 2011, so the long mountain stages work quite often too.

Froome was chilling at the back about at the start of the stage, Contador attacked on a downhill, and the peloton split. Valverde later attacked the peloton for no reason other than to to derail the Sky train, isolating Froome.

and that's how the race was won - let's not forget this crucial moment and praise Piti and the whole Movi for a superb tactical move (looks illogical at the first glance, pulling Vroom towards Nairo, but it was these few minutes that doomed the SkyTrain)

took me a while during the stage but i've got it. but Astana i'm still lost...

 

[Escarabajo]

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Watching ITV4 Highlights ...Before the race started Contador & Quintana were chatting at the start
.When race started Froome was way back in a strung out peloton....Lots of SKY riders all over the road ....one upfront who fell back but Frrome had to close the gap to the second group on the road himself after 6KM ....then Puccio & Lopez went to the front of the 2nd group..only SKY riders up front .The gap was 14 seconds .Contador was at the front o the race and pushing but the SKY doms did not go fast enough and lost more and more time
Behind in the 3rd group 5 SKY doms at the front going at a very relaxed pace ....

Still find it hard ot understand how they lost so much time ...ie 6 minutes in a very short time while the 2nd group lost 2 minutes in the same time

Around 85 km in they all gave up. Looked at the full stage. Herrada was trying to convince them to keep working but they all looked at each other and even talked to each other for what it looked like an agreement to stay together to avoid elimination. From that point on it was a peaceful ride in that group.

I was talking about the SKY doms in 3rd group losing 6 mins to the front group while the 2nd group lost 2 minutes in the same time from the point the 1st group was only 14 seconds ahead when they all started chasing ....The third group had 5 SKY doms, the 2nd had only 2 while front group was smallest ....(Not about why/when the 90 riders sat up )

MY point is the SKY chase was pants

Ah, Ok.
I could see that it was a half hearted effort until that point. Combined with the extremely hard stage yesterday!
IMHO

Other than that I cannot explain either.

 

[carton]

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Reading the first page of the thread is hillarious now. At least one person predicted the Brambilla's win. :lol:

Movistar can't get cute on this stage.They need to let the early break go early whoever's in it before smashing the heck out of this day. After that second pass through the start line they have to get Nairo as fast as they possibly can into Escarilla...If they're really in this to win this, tomorrow is the day to let the chips fall where they may. After that it will be to late too do anything but hope Froome fails. Though it's Movistar. I doubt they have the stones for it. In that case, nothing substantial happens, and Froomey wins the sprint and the stage.

I'll take my side of crow. They did show some major stones today.

Also Chapeau to Brambilla, every once in a while cycling repays the rider who attacks from the gun. Today was one of those days.

but Astana i'm still lost...

You're not the only one. Though from an entertainment perspective they kept the stage and the Vuelta alive today. I'm sure Vino will claim in his second autobiography that they did it for the spectacle

 

[Tank Engine]

Re: 2016 Vuelta a España, stage 15: Sabiñánigo > Aramón Form

i think this one time an exception should be made and the riders who deliberately did not make the TL on such easy stage should be made to start racing tomorrow with a 20 minutes handicap

The problem with "this one time" is that it becomes a precedent. The organisers are not going to throw more than half the peloton out in a GT with a week to go. Apart from T-A, I remember one time (probably 10-15 years ago - Tonkov was riding if I remember correctly) that 17 riders raced the last stage of the Giro del Trentino.

When more than 20% (say) of the riders are over the time limit, then a rule that throws riders from a team out in proportion to the number of riders from that team who are over the time limit might be fair (i.e. if the grupetto contains 40% of the riders and a team has 4 riders in it, then 20/40*4=2 riders from that team should be eliminated). That would be pretty fair on a day like today, since virtually all those riders were in the grupetto. But what if there are two grupettos? It's not "fair" to throw those out from the grupetto which finishes first. But letting the first group stay in automatically would be sometimes unfair, e.g. today all the Sky riders might have been in the first grupetto, but since only Froome made the cut, they should be penalized. Hence, some fine tuning would be necessary.

The rule "if they finish X mins over the time limit", then make them start X minutes later the next day could also be interesting, but e.g. punishes Lopez and Bewley relatively harshly, since on the next day they would basically have to wait for the grupetto.

 

[burning]

Re: Re:

Watching ITV4 Highlights ...Before the race started Contador & Quintana were chatting at the start
.When race started Froome was way back in a strung out peloton....Lots of SKY riders all over the road ....one upfront who fell back but Frrome had to close the gap to the second group on the road himself after 6KM ....then Puccio & Lopez went to the front of the 2nd group..only SKY riders up front .The gap was 14 seconds .Contador was at the front o the race and pushing but the SKY doms did not go fast enough and lost more and more time
Behind in the 3rd group 5 SKY doms at the front going at a very relaxed pace ....

Still find it hard ot understand how they lost so much time ...ie 6 minutes in a very short time while the 2nd group lost 2 minutes in the same time

Around 85 km in they all gave up. Looked at the full stage. Herrada was trying to convince them to keep working but they all looked at each other and even talked to each other for what it looked like an agreement to stay together to avoid elimination. From that point on it was a peaceful ride in that group.

I was talking about the SKY doms in 3rd group losing 6 mins to the front group while the 2nd group lost 2 minutes in the same time from the point the 1st group was only 14 seconds ahead when they all started chasing ....The third group had 5 SKY doms, the 2nd had only 2 while front group was smallest ....(Not about why/when the 90 riders sat up )

MY point is the SKY chase was pants

Ah, Ok.
I could see that it was a half hearted effort until that point. Combined with the extremely hard stage yesterday!
IMHO

Other than that I cannot explain either.

Actually Puccio and Lopez was going all out after Contador attacked on the descent and split the group. Froome just made a big effort to catch the group before Contador's attack, so it is likely that he was gassed at that moment. A few minutes later Valverde and Movistar did a few attacks to get rid of Puccio and Lopez was pulling until the halfway of the penultimate climb. For the rest of Sky, they were completely AWOL.

 

[seldon71]

Re: 2016 Vuelta a España, stage 15: Sabiñánigo > Aramón Form

Watching the full stage on-demand now. Manuele Boaro was never part of that Contador-group. It was just a case of misreporting the number of de la Cruz (133) as Boaro (13). The original 14 (Quintana, Fernandez, Castroviejo, Contador, Rovny, Trofimov, Brambilla, de la Cruz, Formolo, Moser, Elissonde, Fraile, Felline & Mamykin) stayed together until the last ascent.

 

[Pricey_sky]

Had a feeling this morning that it may not be as many hoped, great racing today.

From a racing point of view, like recent Tours, it's a shame the 1st on GC now appears over bar bad luck with a week to go, but the battle for the podium is still on.

 

[tretiak]

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Had a feeling this morning that it may not be as many hoped, great racing today.

From a racing point of view, like recent Tours, it's a shame the 1st on GC now appears over bar bad luck with a week to go, but the battle for the podium is still on.

You mean as the TDF?

Let's enjoy the battle for the podium instead.