2016 Vuelta a España, stage 15: Sabiñánigo > Aramón Formigal

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Wow just tuned in! Pretty great, but the Astana third week peak™ should be used for blowing the race up, not for controlling it ffs!
 
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People complaining about Astana ... what are they supposed to do ? Their entire team is in the 2nd group.

As their DS would you say "Hang tight boys, lets race for 30th?"

I get people are frustrated but ofc they will ride here, as someone else said there is literally nothing else for them to do.
 
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deValtos said:
Lopez has possibly been Froome's best dom this tour. Maybe it was a good thing Landa dropped out after all. Give that man a raise. Everyone else gets a pay cut.

Konig is a definite liability. Lopez has always been class.
 
Jun 27, 2013
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deValtos said:
People complaining about Astana ... what are they supposed to do ? Their entire team is in the 2nd group.

As their DS would you say "Hang tight boys, lets race for 30th?"

I get people are frustrated but ofc they will ride here, as someone else said there is literally nothing else for them to do.

That was me. What I said is that there is literally no reason to chase.
They're burning matches and weakening themselves for zero gain.
 
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GuyIncognito said:
deValtos said:
People complaining about Astana ... what are they supposed to do ? Their entire team is in the 2nd group.

As their DS would you say "Hang tight boys, lets race for 30th?"

I get people are frustrated but ofc they will ride here, as someone else said there is literally nothing else for them to do.

That was me. What I said is that there is literally no reason to chase.
They're burning matches and weakening themselves for zero gain.
No, that was me:
Hugo Koblet said:
Well to be fair, Astana has nothing better to do.
 
Aug 16, 2013
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Andro said:
This is why we can't have nice things. The small mentality that makes teams ride to defend a **** 9th place. Pathetic really.

Tbf, if Astana didn't decide to pull, this race would already be decided.
 
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Hugo Koblet said:
GuyIncognito said:
deValtos said:
People complaining about Astana ... what are they supposed to do ? Their entire team is in the 2nd group.

As their DS would you say "Hang tight boys, lets race for 30th?"

I get people are frustrated but ofc they will ride here, as someone else said there is literally nothing else for them to do.

That was me. What I said is that there is literally no reason to chase.
They're burning matches and weakening themselves for zero gain.
No, that was me:
Hugo Koblet said:
Well to be fair, Astana has nothing better to do.

Ah, fair enough.
 
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GuyIncognito said:
deValtos said:
People complaining about Astana ... what are they supposed to do ? Their entire team is in the 2nd group.

As their DS would you say "Hang tight boys, lets race for 30th?"

I get people are frustrated but ofc they will ride here, as someone else said there is literally nothing else for them to do.

That was me. What I said is that there is literally no reason to chase.
They're burning matches and weakening themselves for zero gain.

Most teams not in the break have a reason to chase, we might not like it, but that's just the long and the short of it, protect your best riders GC position by riding and try and secure your WT points, that's the name of the game.

People might not like it but the job of the other teams is not to just spite Sky at every opportunity.
 
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GuyIncognito said:
deValtos said:
People complaining about Astana ... what are they supposed to do ? Their entire team is in the 2nd group.

As their DS would you say "Hang tight boys, lets race for 30th?"

I get people are frustrated but ofc they will ride here, as someone else said there is literally nothing else for them to do.

That was me. What I said is that there is literally no reason to chase.
They're burning matches and weakening themselves for zero gain.

Protecting GC? Racing for the stage?

I think it is in their interests to chase. I think if you were their DS you'd get them to ride. They have 9 riders, many are domestiques that are paid to do this kind of thing. No point not using them.
 
Apr 4, 2010
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Arredondo said:
Andro said:
This is why we can't have nice things. The small mentality that makes teams ride to defend a **** 9th place. Pathetic really.

Tbf, if Astana didn't decide to pull, this race would already be decided.

Haha, indeed. And as already was pointed out, what are they supposed to do? Give in just to give Contador a chance at a forth place? Yeah, that's not going to happened...
 
Nov 29, 2010
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Arredondo said:
Andro said:
This is why we can't have nice things. The small mentality that makes teams ride to defend a **** 9th place. Pathetic really.

Tbf, if Astana didn't decide to pull, this race would already be decided.

Indeed, Astana are actually keeping the race going. If they don't ride Quintana wins by 6 minutes and we can all go home. :surprised:
 
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deValtos said:
People complaining about Astana ... what are they supposed to do ? Their entire team is in the 2nd group.

As their DS would you say "Hang tight boys, lets race for 30th?"

I get people are frustrated but ofc they will ride here, as someone else said there is literally nothing else for them to do.
Thats what Cannondale are doing BTW. And Talansky has a better shot at a top-5 than Scarponi.
 
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Apart from Konig, is there any other top10 not in the first two groups?

Do you know Konig gap atm?