2016 Vuelta a España, stage 17: Castellón > Mas de la Costa

[Brullnux]

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Quintana is going at a leisurely pace I think

His level is so far above the others it's ridiculous. Bigger gap between him and the rest here, than there was between Froome and the rest at the Tour.

Didn't really seem that way on Aubisque though, or Peña Cabarga

 

[Red Rick]

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Quintana is going at a leisurely pace I think

His level is so far above the others it's ridiculous. Bigger gap between him and the rest here, than there was between Froome and the rest at the Tour.

Nah, there's ego involved here, no way Quintana would let Froome get back if he could've been rid of him. They were pretty much 4 equals today.

 

[Jelantik]

great ride by Frank. the GC is meh. nothing exciting

 

[DFA123]

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Quintana is going at a leisurely pace I think

His level is so far above the others it's ridiculous. Bigger gap between him and the rest here, than there was between Froome and the rest at the Tour.

Didn't really seem that way on Aubisque though, or Peña Cabarga

He was clearly the strongest on Aubisque; was only interested in dropping Froome though, who just hung onto his wheel. He's miles above everyone else - has dropped all the other GC contenders multiple times.

 

[Ruby United]

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Quintana is going at a leisurely pace I think

His level is so far above the others it's ridiculous. Bigger gap between him and the rest here, than there was between Froome and the rest at the Tour.

It is funny how wrong you are. His level above Froome currently is nowhere near Froome's above the rest in the Tour. Nowhere near.

 

[huangho]

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So Froome really would have won this Vuelta if he hadn't been stupid enough to ride 40 wheels down from Quintana at the start of Sunday huh?

Don't think so, Quintana is super strong and he spent a lot of energy that day, so today with the energy saved he would have done a lot of damage, not for 1 minute, but maybe 30 seconds more...

In the ITT he will be closer to Froome than expected.

 

[Cance > TheRest]

Great win for Frank aswell. One of those riders, that I am really happy to see win.

 

[DFA123]

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Quintana is going at a leisurely pace I think

His level is so far above the others it's ridiculous. Bigger gap between him and the rest here, than there was between Froome and the rest at the Tour.

Nah, there's ego involved here, no way Quintana would let Froome get back if he could've been rid of him. They were pretty much 4 equals today.

Well, he might not have been able to get rid of him in 4km, only 1.5km of which were really raced. But if that climb was much longer, Froome would have been way back.

 

[Gigs_98]

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So Froome really would have won this Vuelta if he hadn't been stupid enough to ride 40 wheels down from Quintana at the start of Sunday huh?

Well we don't know how quintana would have ridden todays stage if he would still need to gain time.

 

[DFA123]

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Quintana is going at a leisurely pace I think

His level is so far above the others it's ridiculous. Bigger gap between him and the rest here, than there was between Froome and the rest at the Tour.

It is funny how wrong you are. His level above Froome currently is nowhere near Froome's above the rest in the Tour. Nowhere near.

Hmmm, not sure whether or not you are an objective source. If there were as many multiple mountain stages in the Vuelta as there were in the Tour, Quintana would be well over 5 minutes ahead by now. Froome is hanging on by a thread right now; may not even make the podium.

 

[Ruby United]

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So Froome really would have won this Vuelta if he hadn't been stupid enough to ride 40 wheels down from Quintana at the start of Sunday huh?

Don't think so, Quintana is super strong and he spent a lot of energy that day, so today with the energy saved he would have done a lot of damage, not for 1 minute, but maybe 30 seconds more...

In the ITT he will be closer to Froome than expected.

Nope. Would have made no difference with a flat stage and rest day in between especially seeing as Contador and Froome also both road themselves into the ground on Sunday, so clearly Sunday had no negative effect whatsoever on Quintana's ability than the rest of the GC contenders today. He's just much less dominant (at least over Froome) then people like to think. He is the best, but only marginally. He cannot dominate on the climbs properly, though he is the strongest and deserves overall victory

 

[tretiak]

Froome did not dare go on the attack. Did he miss that he is not in red?

Quintana just following as he should.

Good ride by Chaves and Contador who actually tried anything.

 

[Ruby United]

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Quintana is going at a leisurely pace I think

His level is so far above the others it's ridiculous. Bigger gap between him and the rest here, than there was between Froome and the rest at the Tour.

It is funny how wrong you are. His level above Froome currently is nowhere near Froome's above the rest in the Tour. Nowhere near.

Hmmm, not sure whether or not you are an objective source. If there were as many multiple mountain stages in the Vuelta as there were in the Tour, Quintana would be well over 5 minutes ahead by now. Froome is hanging on by a thread right now; may not even make the podium.

Neither are you an objetive source. We are both biased, but I am trying to be logical and seeing as Quintana was repeatedly dropped by Froome at the Tour but has not been able to properly drop him recently it is clear that your statement was incorrect

 

[Red Rick]

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Quintana is going at a leisurely pace I think

His level is so far above the others it's ridiculous. Bigger gap between him and the rest here, than there was between Froome and the rest at the Tour.

Nah, there's ego involved here, no way Quintana would let Froome get back if he could've been rid of him. They were pretty much 4 equals today.

Well, he might not have been able to get rid of him in 4km, only 1.5km of which were really raced. But if that climb was much longer, Froome would have been way back.

It's a 12.5% average climb, I'm pretty sure that if you're miles ahead on a 40 minute climb you can do it on a 15 minute climb with almost no drag.

 

[carton]

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Nah, there's ego involved here, no way Quintana would let Froome get back if he could've been rid of him. They were pretty much 4 equals today.

Well, he might not have been able to get rid of him in 4km, only 1.5km of which were really raced. But if that climb was much longer, Froome would have been way back.

I agree with both of you. On today's stage, they were pretty even. Quintana might have held back a bit but not much. A few more KM more of that and I think Nairo takes it.

 

[LaFlorecita]

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Podium looks good for AC now. Stronger than Chaves today

Yeah I was going to say that. I wouldn't say he was stronger but they were at least equal and the ITT is a great advantage for Alberto of course.

 

[MacBAir]

Froome has to be the most awesome rider to watch when he is focussed and suffering. He looks like a psychopath when he is on the red, gaining positions.

 

[DFA123]

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Froome did not dare go on the attack. Did he miss that he is not in red?

Quintana just following as he should.

Good ride by Chaves and Contador who actually tried anything.

Froome's just protecting his second place now. He knows his form is on the decline and about to drop off a cliff, and he's way too far behind to threaten Quintana. He did a decent job of it today; would have been interesting perhaps if Contador would have gone 1km earlier.

 

[Alexandre B.]

GC guys classification of the stage :
1°) Contador
2°) Froome (s.t)
3°) Quintana (s.t)
4°) Chaves (s.t)
5°) Péraud (at 38")
6°) Hermans (at 48")
7°) Scarponi (at 49")
8°) Talansky (at 51")
9°) Mamykin (at 53")
10°) Formolo (at 56")
11°) Yates (at 56")

 

[WildspokeJoe]

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I am picking someone from I AM. They need jobs.

This is a huge embarrassment to the I AM riders. As the sponsor, I would be exceptionally disappointed in the team and management. I AM the team has been for the most part invisible in the peloton throughout its existence - getting the occasional win. But now that the team is folding - the riders finally stepped up purely for selfish individual gain. Shame. I've said it before, and I'll say it again. If the I AM riders had put this effort and motivation in earlier the team may not have folded.

 

[dacooley]

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Quintana is going at a leisurely pace I think

His level is so far above the others it's ridiculous. Bigger gap between him and the rest here, than there was between Froome and the rest at the Tour.

Didn't really seem that way on Aubisque though, or Peña Cabarga

He was clearly the strongest on Aubisque; was only interested in dropping Froome though, who just hung onto his wheel. He's miles above everyone else - has dropped all the other GC contenders multiple times.

dropping the second best contender by 50'' is difficult to proclaim 'being miles above anyone else'. probably you like quintana way too much.

 

[Billie]

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He's just much less dominant (at least over Froome) then people like to think. He is the best, but only marginally. He cannot dominate on the climbs properly, though he is the strongest and deserves overall victory

Quintana rode away from Froome (and everyone else) on 3 MTF's. And no one was able to drop him on any other climbs. He is the best climber here, and by a decent margin.

 

[Jungle Cycle]

so, bmc??......

 

[DFA123]

Re: Re:

Quintana is going at a leisurely pace I think

His level is so far above the others it's ridiculous. Bigger gap between him and the rest here, than there was between Froome and the rest at the Tour.

It is funny how wrong you are. His level above Froome currently is nowhere near Froome's above the rest in the Tour. Nowhere near.

Hmmm, not sure whether or not you are an objective source. If there were as many multiple mountain stages in the Vuelta as there were in the Tour, Quintana would be well over 5 minutes ahead by now. Froome is hanging on by a thread right now; may not even make the podium.

Neither are you an objetive source. We are both biased, but I am trying to be logical and seeing as Quintana was repeatedly dropped by Froome at the Tour but has not been able to properly drop him recently it is clear that your statement was incorrect

Froome gained very little time in the mountains on Bardet, Quintana, Valverde or Porte in the Tour. He won the the race in the time trials and used his team to defend the high mountain stages. Quintana's gained four minutes in the mountains alone and has comprehensively dropped Froome three times, without being dropped once.

 

[hrotha]

Yawn.