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2017 Giro d'Italia, Stage 2: Olbia > Tortolì 221 km

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Zinoviev Letter said:
chiocciolis_calves said:
Orbit501 said:
Annoying when mechanicals take out the fastest man.

Let the excuses commence!

Are you serious? Whatever you think about Ewan, it was fairly obviously not his fault that he didn't get to sprint there. And he deserves some credit for managing to stay upright in that situation rather than taking out half the peloton with a crash right at the front of a sprint.

And who's fault it is?
 
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Orbit501 said:
chiocciolis_calves said:
Orbit501 said:
Annoying when mechanicals take out the fastest man.

Let the excuses commence!

If you don't think Ewan is the fastest man here then you must be watching a different race to me. Tell me Ewan doesn't win today from that position if not for the incident.

And you know that how? Yesterday was hectic sprint, and for a 2nd place, so we basically don't know yet if he's stronger than Greipel, he needs to prove that by beating him fair and square. And after today, it's not going to be easy...
 
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Zinoviev Letter said:
I really don't understand why Ewan seems to attract intense hostility when as far as I can see he's just a talented kid who hasn't done anything notably obnoxious. I didn't care much about him either way, but people sneering at him for no obvious reason is starting to make me like him.
I don't understand it either. Seems to unnecessary.

Zaka lost 20s :redface: Roby Ferrari in 2nd gives me life :)
 
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Zinoviev Letter said:
chiocciolis_calves said:
Orbit501 said:
Annoying when mechanicals take out the fastest man.

Let the excuses commence!

Are you serious? Whatever you think about Ewan, it was fairly obviously not his fault that he didn't get to sprint there. And he deserves some credit for managing to stay upright in that situation rather than taking out half the peloton with a crash right at the front of a sprint.

As if someone else is "at fault." There are too many whiners among the fans and the riders these days. It happens. He was jostling around and pulled out. Deal with it. It wasn't someone else's "fault."

I have no idea after a whopping two stages how you can pronounce someone "the fastest man," but you've apparently convinced yourself of that in your own mind.
 
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roundabout said:
AlexNYC said:
Alexandre B. said:
Zakarin lost 20 seconds on the line.
How did that happen? Katusha did such a great job of bringing him back to the peloton in the last 6 km.

Looked pretty stretched out in the last km. Probably not enough time to move up so it only took someone ahead to leave a small gap

He was the one who left the gap! 1-100 st. Zak 101@20sec.
Frosty faces over the dinner table this evening.
 
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Orbit501 said:
chiocciolis_calves said:
Orbit501 said:
Annoying when mechanicals take out the fastest man.

Let the excuses commence!

If you don't think Ewan is the fastest man here then you must be watching a different race to me. Tell me Ewan doesn't win today from that position if not for the incident.

Lol, based on what?
Too bad that Ewan had bad luck today, we could've seen an awesome duel.
But saying Ewan is definitely the fastest man here without seeing a proper duel is just ridiculous.
 
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Mayo from Mayo said:
roundabout said:
AlexNYC said:
Alexandre B. said:
Zakarin lost 20 seconds on the line.
How did that happen? Katusha did such a great job of bringing him back to the peloton in the last 6 km.

Looked pretty stretched out in the last km. Probably not enough time to move up so it only took someone ahead to leave a small gap

He was the one who left the gap! 1-100 st. Zak 101@20sec.
Frosty faces over the dinner table this evening.

Does not mean he left the gap, he can pass someone who left the gap
 
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Pricey_sky said:
Wow, whoever was producing that finish needs firing. Absolutely ridiculous camera work to focus on the still cameras in the final 500m.


Relax, it's just a small part of the chaos that makes the Giro so entertaining. Like finding a tight corner then pushing the finish back 3.2kms to generate some early polemica. Enjoy the drama, don't be a victim to it.

Nature is imperfectly perfect; and so is Italia.
 
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chiocciolis_calves said:
Zinoviev Letter said:
chiocciolis_calves said:
Orbit501 said:
Annoying when mechanicals take out the fastest man.

Let the excuses commence!

Are you serious? Whatever you think about Ewan, it was fairly obviously not his fault that he didn't get to sprint there. And he deserves some credit for managing to stay upright in that situation rather than taking out half the peloton with a crash right at the front of a sprint.

As if someone else is "at fault." There are too many whiners among the fans and the riders these days. It happens. He was jostling around and pulled out. Deal with it. It wasn't someone else's "fault."

I have no idea after a whopping two stages how you can pronounce someone "the fastest man," but you've apparently convinced yourself of that in your own mind.

Are you sure that you are fully literate? You have replied to me here by responding to two different claims I didn't make. I didn't blame anyone else for Gaviria's collision with Ewan. It was an ordinary racing incident between two guys at the sharp end of a sprint, notable only because Ewan did well to stay up. I also didn't declare Ewan to be the fastest man here.

Perhaps next time you might consider responding to statements the person you are replying to actually made? Even if it does seem more convenient to just put words in someone else's mouth and declare them "convinced in their own mind" of opinions you've invented for them.
 
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MotorRouleur said:
Pricey_sky said:
Wow, whoever was producing that finish needs firing. Absolutely ridiculous camera work to focus on the still cameras in the final 500m.


Relax, it's just a small part of the chaos that makes the Giro so entertaining. Like finding a tight corner then pushing the finish back 3.2kms to generate some early polemica. Enjoy the drama, don't be a victim to it.

Nature is imperfectly perfect; and so is Italia.

What?
 
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Zinoviev Letter said:
I really don't understand why Ewan seems to attract intense hostility when as far as I can see he's just a talented kid who hasn't done anything notably obnoxious. I didn't care much about him either way, but people sneering at him for no obvious reason is starting to make me like him.
They can deny it all they like but he isn't Colombian or the other flavour of the month nations
 
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tobydawq said:
MotorRouleur said:
Pricey_sky said:
Wow, whoever was producing that finish needs firing. Absolutely ridiculous camera work to focus on the still cameras in the final 500m.


Relax, it's just a small part of the chaos that makes the Giro so entertaining. Like finding a tight corner then pushing the finish back 3.2kms to generate some early polemica. Enjoy the drama, don't be a victim to it.

Nature is imperfectly perfect; and so is Italia.

What?

well, the viewpoint seems perfectly clear....
 
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the asian said:
Valv.Piti said:
Gaviria in bad shape.


Quick Step mucked up his preparation.

Sending him to Colombia seems to be a bad decision.
I agree. A preparation for a sprinter should be different to the other Colombians. He should have trained or raced in Europe more than in Colombia. I think yesterday we saw that his shape was questionable.

Having said that, Quick Step team is not showing a good train at all. They all seem to be out of shape as well. Kind of strange.
 
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Escarabajo said:
the asian said:
Valv.Piti said:
Gaviria in bad shape.


Quick Step mucked up his preparation.

Sending him to Colombia seems to be a bad decision.
I agree. A preparation for a sprinter should be different to the other Colombians. He should have trained or raced in Europe more than in Colombia. I think yesterday we saw that his shape was questionable.

Having said that, Quick Step team is not showing a good train at all. They all seem to be out of shape as well. Kind of strange.
Maximiliano Richeze is the usual lead out man for Gaviria, the others riders still learning to work together.
I think the best QS lead out train is following Kittle to Tour of California, if it works out, the same train will go to TDF
 
Scarponi said:
Gaviria is the most over rated and over hyped cyclist on this forum bar none.
Yeah, I agree that he is very over-rated at the moment. But I think that doesn't mean he's not an incredible talent can have a great future in the sport; it's just he's not at that level yet. The comparisons with Sagan aren't helping, because the expectation then is that he will burst onto the scene, whereas really he could do with quietly learning his trade with out the pressure for at least another year.
 
I'll admit that I have been on the hype train because every time he showed himself until the Olympics last year he was just incredible and exceeded expectations. He seemed to be a little like Sagan in that department: Always being competitive. And by bursting upon the scene at an age almost as young as Sagan, the comparisons were not that strange. I even though he would have a chance of dethroning Sagan from his point jersey dominance but I don't think that anymore.

He is obviously still an amazing talent but his bottom level doesn't seem to be as high as I used to think. That doesn't mean that I don't find it baffling how people can be surprised about the hype he has generated - we're talking about a guy who beat Cavendish and Greipel in sprints at the age of 21 and looks much more robust and set to be competitive in cobbled classics as well. His stage victory in Tirreno-Adriatico last year when he beat Caleb Ewan while riding in the hoods also told me that he would be the dominant in the two's inevitable rivalry but at the moment that certainly does not seem to be the case.
 
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Dazed and Confused said:
tobydawq said:
Dazed and Confused said:
well, the viewpoint seems perfectly clear....

Yeah, but it was just mind-less blabbering... (sorry for the hard words but I can't really lie).

dunno, seems like an interesting idea.

So we should just hope for bad production work since the chaos of that would represent the apparent chaos of the Giro and Italy in general? That seems like blabbering to me. Maybe I'm just not that much into symbolism...
 
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tobydawq said:
Dazed and Confused said:
tobydawq said:
Dazed and Confused said:
well, the viewpoint seems perfectly clear....

Yeah, but it was just mind-less blabbering... (sorry for the hard words but I can't really lie).

dunno, seems like an interesting idea.

So we should just hope for bad production work since the chaos of that would represent the apparent chaos of the Giro and Italy in general? That seems like blabbering to me. Maybe I'm just not that much into symbolism...

I think your view is too narrow.

One thing I could do without is the tech babble interfernce about bpm etc. Now that sort of stuff destroys a good tv production.