2017 Giro d'Italia: Stage-by-stage Analysis

[Brullnux]

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Looking forward to stage 6 and 8 - tricky, hilly finishes are part of the Giro and is always great to watch. Possibility for a few seconds gained and lost for the GC-men as well. Unfortunately we have a very mediocre field contesting these stages, I miss Bettini and Riccó and with no Gilbert, I think Haas is the best puncheur around.

Especially considering the king of random Giro stage wins isn't present this year.

 

[manolo57]

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Looking forward to stage 6 and 8 - tricky, hilly finishes are part of the Giro and is always great to watch. Possibility for a few seconds gained and lost for the GC-men as well. Unfortunately we have a very mediocre field contesting these stages, I miss Bettini and Riccó and with no Gilbert, I think Haas is the best puncheur around.

I'd say Woods also.

But yes, the puncher field is very poor. Maybe one of the GC guy could win tomorrow or Saturday.

 

[StryderHells]

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Looking forward to stage 6 and 8 - tricky, hilly finishes are part of the Giro and is always great to watch. Possibility for a few seconds gained and lost for the GC-men as well. Unfortunately we have a very mediocre field contesting these stages, I miss Bettini and Riccó and with no Gilbert, I think Haas is the best puncheur around.

Gasparotto, Teuns and Costa could all get invlved on a punchy finish.

 

[Sciocco]

Thank you Eshnar.

 

[jens_attacks]

Thanks eshnar

Keeping the forum alive!

 

[May0maniac]

I don't know if someone already mentioned it, but the Mortirolo will the the Montagna Scarponi, double KoM points and a special trophy for the first rider on top, so pretty much a 2nd Cima Coppi right before the actual one.
Thanks for the great analysis Eshnar.

 

[Valv.Piti]

So you can basically do nothing for 15 days, then go in the break and win the jersey.

 

[May0maniac]

The whole giro is so backloaded that the big guys who actually go for the climbers jersey could always pretty much do nothing for 15 days.

 

[Valv.Piti]

Yeah, but lets say one rider theoretically wins all climbs on stage 16 and nothing else, I'd say he has very good chances of winning, no?

 

[May0maniac]

Yes the fact that the Mortirolo is on the same stage is a bit of a problem for the whole competition.

 

[Ricco']

I'm all for honouring Scarponi, but what's the sense of doubling up the points?

Usually the Cima Coppi have double points because it's the hardest climb of the Giro (usually), that Mortirolo isn't even the harder side of that mountain. Afaik, the Tour have that special honors (like Souvenir Henri Degrange) where the points are normal and there is a financial bonus. That was the right thing to do IMO.

 

[May0maniac]

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I'm all for honouring Scarponi, but what's the sense of doubling up the points?

Usually the Cima Coppi have double points because it's the hardest climb of the Giro (usually), that Mortirolo isn't even the harder side of that mountain. Afaik, the Tour have that special honors (like Souvenir Henri Degrange) where the points are normal and there is a financial bonus. That was the right thing to do IMO.

Yes, that would have been a better option.

 

[offbyone]

Tour de Boredom.

 

[Tour de Berghem]

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I'm all for honouring Scarponi, but what's the sense of doubling up the points?

Usually the Cima Coppi have double points because it's the hardest climb of the Giro (usually)

Cima Coppi is not the hardest climb of the Giro, but the climb that reaches the maximum altitude of all Giro.

The hardest climb is usually called "montagna Pantani" but I don't think it gives double points.
I also don't know if this year there is a montagna Pantani or not....

 

[Ricco']

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I'm all for honouring Scarponi, but what's the sense of doubling up the points?

Usually the Cima Coppi have double points because it's the hardest climb of the Giro (usually)

Cima Coppi is not the hardest climb of the Giro, but the climb that reaches the maximum altitude of all Giro.

The hardest climb is usually called "montagna Pantani" but I don't think it gives double points.
I also don't know if this year there is a montagna Pantani or not....

This year it's Oropa, so it's not the most difficult too.

 

[Valv.Piti]

Is Oropa even a climb?

 

[Tour de Berghem]

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Is Oropa even a climb?

Was your statement a joke? :lol:

 

[Valv.Piti]

Yes it was. All I meant was it was a pretty underwhelming one (that they use too much....).

 

[Gigs_98]

Can anyone explain how many points riders get on different climbs? I've found different sides all writing about a different point awarding systems and most also say that the points on the Cima Coppi aren't twice as much points as on usual 1st category climbs but only a few points more. I'm completely confused

 

[Tour de Berghem]

Can anyone explain how many points riders get on different climbs? I've found different sides all writing about a different point awarding systems and most also say that the points on the Cima Coppi aren't twice as much points as on usual 1st category climbs but only a few points more. I'm completely confused

If you scroll the page of the link below you can find the table with points
http://cyclingpro.net/spaziociclismo/giro-2017/regolamento-giro-ditalia-2017/

 

[tobydawq]

All point rules of the Giro are described very thorougly here:

http://www.cyclingnews.com/features/100th-giro-ditalia-classifications-demystified/

However, I think that feature was made before the announcement of the Mortirolo/Scarponi linkage, so it states Mortirolo as a regular category 1 climb.

 

[luckyboy]

This first week has been brutally dull. How do they manage to avoid all the hills in these areas?

 

[Brullnux]

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This first week has been brutally dull. How do they manage to avoid all the hills in these areas?

In fairness, they didn't, but it's still been ridiculously dull. Stage 2 and 6 should've been for puncheurs and something should've happened. Tomorrow likely to be the same unfortunately.

 

[offbyone]

Tour de Boredom continues.

 

[Valv.Piti]

Stelvio from Prato is often described as the hardest climb in cycling, at least by some, but where does the Stelvio from Santa Maria I'm Müstair rank, the final climb on stage 16 cut short of the remaining 3 kilometres? Same altitude at 16,4 km @ 8,4% is really no joke either. Obviously the Rettenbachferner is tougher than that, but really not by that much and Stelvio from Prato early slopes aren't that demanding.