2017 National Championships discussion

[alexix7]

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Juraj won by almost 10 minutes

Slovakia has race together with Czech Republic. Only few minutes after start the breakaway formed and in it were approximately 13 Czech (including Stybar, Vakoc and Kreuziger) and only 1 Slovkak - Juraj Sagan. Peloton was not able to bring it back so Jurak took an easy win.

 

[Popchu]

Re:

Juraj won by almost 10 minutes

I guess he rode together with the Czech riders who were battling for their win.

Edit: oops, alexix7 explained it better.

 

[classicomano]

Re: Re:

Juraj won by almost 10 minutes

Slovakia has race together with Czech Republic. Only few minutes after start the breakaway formed and in it were approximately 13 Czech (including Stybar, Vakoc and Kreuziger) and only 1 Slovkak - Juraj Sagan. Peloton was not able to bring it back so Jurak took an easy win.

This is a pretty awesome dynamic inside a race.

 

[rei_da_montanha]

Portugal - Rúben Guerreiro

 

[Inquitus]

Seems to be between Bibby, Kennaugh, Cummings out in front, with Lawless struggling to hold the wheel. Swift and Stannard dropped.

https://twitter.com/BritishCycling/status/879022824349937665

Edit: Now bionic Cummings goes for it!

Now @StevoCummings attacks alone - can he do the double?! He has 12 seconds!!! One lap to go!!
Read more at https://www.britishcycling.org.uk/nationalroadchampionships/article/20170623-roadchamps-Live-reporting--Road-races---2017-HSBC-UK---National-Road-Championships-0#jgMpIVYflP86dSua.99

 

[classicomano]

Cummings is in lightning form. Dark horse for the yellow jersey?

 

[MatParker117]

He's only done the double!

 

[Zinoviev Letter]

What a bizarre career Cummings has had

 

[sir fly]

It shouldn't be surprise at all, but it's unexpected, at the same time.
Cummings likes this time of the year. Used to temperatures and elements.

 

[vedrafjord]

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Mullen's record at the Irish championships is hilarious. He's 22 but he has already done the TT / RR double twice. His road race winning formula appears to be to get clear on his own and just time trial home.

The dynamics of the race are very different to, say, the French champs where you have multiple WT teams with big squads and protected riders. The best riders in the Irish race have no support, and there's also a pretty big gulf between them and the A2s, so the race is very unpredictable and breaks up a long way out. Being a strong enough TTer to bridge between groups and go off the front on your own is a massive advantage in those circumstances.

 

[Zinoviev Letter]

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Mullen's record at the Irish championships is hilarious. He's 22 but he has already done the TT / RR double twice. His road race winning formula appears to be to get clear on his own and just time trial home.

The dynamics of the race are very different to, say, the French champs where you have multiple WT teams with big squads and protected riders. The best riders in the Irish race have no support, and there's also a pretty big gulf between them and the A2s, so the race is very unpredictable and breaks up a long way out. Being a strong enough TTer to bridge between groups and go off the front on your own is a massive advantage in those circumstances.

Yes. Part of the fun is that the stronger the rider is, the less likely he is to have a team. That makes things unpredictable. And, it also makes TTing away on your own viable in a way that it isn't in races where your main opponents can stick a load of domestiques on the front to control anyone who tries it. If teams were generally absent in the sport, rouleurs and TTists would have much better palmares relative to the climbers and sprinters than they currently do.

 

[Cance > TheRest]

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Burghardt in Germany?

Yes, Bora 1-2 with Buchmann on s.t

That's a great result

In case nobody has already mentioned it, Mads Pedersen (Trek Segafredo) won the Danish champs after 220 km's flat roads with heavy wind. He had no teammates in the race.

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

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Groenewegen being clearly outsprinted by Sinkeldam and Wippert is a surprise but I only saw the finish. Maybe he had done a bunch of work earlier?

The race was ridden pretty hard. Groenewegen was just spent. So he didn't have his usual speed.

Funny thing is that LottoNL themselves are to blame that the race was that hard, sending Gesink in the BOTD and then Boom in the final.
Dumoulin did a lot of 'crushing' as well in the final 2 laps. All set up nicely for Sinkeldam in the end, although I had not expected Wippert after such a fierce pace.

 

[GenericBoonenFan]

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Poor poor Sep, If anyone deserved that win more than Naesen .

All five deserved the win. It cannot be the greatest race of the year because there have already been so many but still a great race on a course that was meant to be too easy. Of course as a long time Vanmarcke fan I'm gutted but when you know Naesen's story, where he's coming from, you can but be glad for him. Having Jens Keukeleire, Sep Vanmarcke Nathan Van Hooydonck, Oliver Naesen and Jasper Stuyven fighting for the title. There is not much more I can ask.

By the way, have I dreamed or Sep refused to shake hand with De Wever?

I dunno, were yoou asleep?

 

[May0maniac]

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Best result in career for Nocentini at 39 (he was fifth in 2013).

The magic of portuguese cycling :razz:

And Papi Rebellin finished 10th, at the age of 45.

 

[Squire]

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Best result in career for Nocentini at 39 (he was fifth in 2013).

The magic of portuguese cycling :razz:

And Papi Rebellin finished 10th, at the age of 45.

He's gotta be the best ever 45-year-old cyclist! Can't think of any competition, unless there was some hard mf in the 1910's or whatever. Rebellin is better than Horner at that age.

 

[Jagartrott]

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Gutted for Vanmarcke, he looked so strong (and hasn't won in so long).

that close

Naesen doing a wheelie there. Nice.
Totally flat race, but still a war of attrition and 5 strong guys end up fighting for the win. No wheelsucking, just straight-up racing.

 

[Echoes]

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It's a Jef Scherens-style cat jump. Naesen does not seem the wheelie kind to me.

I dunno, were yoou asleep?

I was actually very tired and fell asleep during the race. So I missed Keukeleire's decisive attack. Fortunately I could see the wonderful finale.

 

[RedheadDane]

I feel kinda stupid for asking this, but what's the story behind the jersey Aru was holding up on the podium?
I mean, I figure it's got something to do with Scarponi...

I like how they added the flags of the riders at the Italian nats.

Who would've figured they're Italian.

They did the same thing in Denmark. And they didn't even think to put a little Faroese flag next to Veyhe.
Ya know, just to confuse people.
Put Danish flags next to the riders. Not Italian, that would have been confusing.

 

[May0maniac]

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I feel kinda stupid for asking this, but what's the story behind the jersey Aru was holding up on the podium?
I mean, I figure it's got something to do with Scarponi...

I like how they added the flags of the riders at the Italian nats.

Who would've figured they're Italian.

They did the same thing in Denmark. And they didn't even think to put a little Faroese flag next to Veyhe.
Ya know, just to confuse people.
Put Danish flags next to the riders. Not Italian, that would have been confusing.

That was Scarponi's jersey, the swapped jerseys durning the Sierra Nevada training camp and Aru actually wore it durning the race.

 

[jmdirt]

When the USA moved their Nat Champs to the same weekend as the rest of the world, they greatly reduced the chances of the starts and stripes being in the TdF. The logistics were always an issue for USA riders based in Europe, but now they verge on not going to happen. While cycling fans know that there are a lot of races, most USAers don't so having a USA rider to identify helps drag in viewers "yeh, that guy is the nat champ!".

 

[WildspokeJoe]

American commentators/coverage is beyond brutally bad.

 

[Zinoviev Letter]

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American commentators/coverage is beyond brutally bad.

Better than no coverage, which is all most countries manage

 

[RedheadDane]

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When the USA moved their Nat Champs to the same weekend as the rest of the world, they greatly reduced the chances of the starts and stripes being in the TdF. The logistics were always an issue for USA riders based in Europe, but now they verge on not going to happen. While cycling fans know that there are a lot of races, most USAers don't so having a USA rider to identify helps drag in viewers "yeh, that guy is the nat champ!".

If by "the rest of the World" you mean the Northern Hemisphere...
I think the Aussies are gonna be a tad sad learning they aren't in the World. Same with New Zealand, and South Africa, and Colombia.

 

[vedrafjord]

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When the USA moved their Nat Champs to the same weekend as the rest of the world, they greatly reduced the chances of the starts and stripes being in the TdF.

What would your ideal date be?