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How is Landa doing so well with Giro legs?? That baffles me because in the mountains in the Giro he was on almost every break trying to win a stage and did win a stage. Now he is riding away on the mountains as if he did not do anything at the Giro. Next we will see him at the Vuelta riding away in the mountians...baffling
So many bike changes, its got to trigger a question from UCI one would think...UCI??Semper Fidelis said:
How is Landa doing so well with Giro legs?? That baffles me because in the mountains in the Giro he was on almost every break trying to win a stage and did win a stage. Now he is riding away on the mountains as if he did not do anything at the Giro. Next we will see him at the Vuelta riding away in the mountians...baffling
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Warren Barguil sets new climbing record on Col d'Izoard, destroying the old one by 2 minutes!
http://www.climbing-records.com/2017/07/barguil-sets-tremendous-record-on-izoard.html
New generation!!! Faster than the old generation!!!!!
http://www.climbing-records.com/2017/07/barguil-sets-tremendous-record-on-izoard.html
New generation!!! Faster than the old generation!!!!!
Only 4 pages, is this a sign that the general cyclingnews poster believes the tour to be clean ?
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So 5.3W/kg for 25 minutes is evidence of doping? I don't think the tour is clean but come on.
DNP-Old said:
So 5.3W/kg for 25 minutes is evidence of doping? I don't think the tour is clean but come on.
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If this generation of riders are faster than previous known dopers it points to not clean.
Just because they dont hit 6.4w/kg or more is not evidence of clean.
Aldo Sassi claimed that 6.ow/kg was possible clean? How would he know? he never produced the evidence to prove that was possible clean.
The sport doesn't want to prove it is clean. It just ignores the question. It has always ignored it until it couldn't, when the police got involved. Then it pretended to change, but nothing changed. It will probably be ever thus as those in the sport believe that is the way and the only way.
Durden93 said:
If this generation of riders are faster than previous known dopers it points to not clean.
Just because they dont hit 6.4w/kg or more is not evidence of clean.
Aldo Sassi claimed that 6.ow/kg was possible clean? How would he know? he never produced the evidence to prove that was possible clean.
The sport doesn't want to prove it is clean. It just ignores the question. It has always ignored it until it couldn't, when the police got involved. Then it pretended to change, but nothing changed. It will probably be ever thus as those in the sport believe that is the way and the only way.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Col_d%27Izoard
Some impressive list of dopers.
red_flanders said:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Col_d%27Izoard
Some impressive list of dopers.
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I'm not arguing that anyone's clean. Just that the time is obviously going to be faster than the usual Izoard ascents because it's unique as a MTF. It's akin to comparing TT times up the Alpe or Ventuox to the road stages. Not quite as marked a difference, but completely different tactics and efforts.
Benotti69 said:
I'm not arguing that anyone's clean. Just that the time is obviously going to be faster than the usual Izoard ascents because it's unique as a MTF. It's akin to comparing TT times up the Alpe or Ventuox to the road stages. Not quite as marked a difference, but completely different tactics and efforts.
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You can't simply compare two times and use that as definitive proof that the tour is/isn't clean. I don't know what the clean threshold is, but it's certainly higher than that. The post says that the peloton had 40 riders in it. That means the hammer wasn't down. I think they probably could have ridden this climb 2-3 minutes faster if it was at the end of the stage. Context matters.
Benotti69 said:
You can't simply compare two times and use that as definitive proof that the tour is/isn't clean. I don't know what the clean threshold is, but it's certainly higher than that. The post says that the peloton had 40 riders in it. That means the hammer wasn't down. I think they probably could have ridden this climb 2-3 minutes faster if it was at the end of the stage. Context matters.
The Tour is dirty so let's get that out of the way.
As for today's times up the final climb, I heard several mentions of a tailwind which could have affected the final times.
If the peloton was clean the times would be much, much slower (as in, 10-15% slower up the final climb).
As for today's times up the final climb, I heard several mentions of a tailwind which could have affected the final times.
If the peloton was clean the times would be much, much slower (as in, 10-15% slower up the final climb).
Today was the first-ever stage finish in Tour history on this particular climb.
It is understandable therefore that it could well post the fastest time due to the charge for the line.
In previous editions there was probably another huge climb to come that the riders were saving themselves for.
It is understandable therefore that it could well post the fastest time due to the charge for the line.
In previous editions there was probably another huge climb to come that the riders were saving themselves for.
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A clean threshold? If there is one, why is it not well known.
As for today's climb, whether he climbed it in the end or the beginning, yes context is important, but that doesn't mean because it was never at the end of a race riders were not giving it there all to get away from a peloton or catch a break. It is still a very fast time beating some serious known dopers, to dismiss it is stupid. I never said it was proof, i merely added it to the 2017 discussion.
Durden93 said:
A clean threshold? If there is one, why is it not well known.
As for today's climb, whether he climbed it in the end or the beginning, yes context is important, but that doesn't mean because it was never at the end of a race riders were not giving it there all to get away from a peloton or catch a break. It is still a very fast time beating some serious known dopers, to dismiss it is stupid. I never said it was proof, i merely added it to the 2017 discussion.
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The stage wasn't particularly long either (178kms) and there was only a cat.1 40 km before the last climb.
Also, a lot of people beated the record today, it's not like someone won 2 min faster than all others.
Also, a lot of people beated the record today, it's not like someone won 2 min faster than all others.
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