2017 Tirreno-Adriatico, March 8-14, WT

[Flamin]

Nairito riding with reserve, just securing Tirreno using as less energy as possible.

 

[Valv.Piti]

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Those attacks from Quintana are pathetic.

He might win this anyway today, but clearly a long way to go in regards to form.

:lol: :lol:

Have you ever ridden on your bike in a headwind? Seems not!

Quintana as strong as expected, astute tactically and really in good shape, but probably only at 90-95%.

I know quintana is your second favourite rider but do you think that he is in great shape for a guy who is attempting giro-tour? I think he will be overcooked after il giro

Right where he needs to be. Still not operating at his peak, but he would have won with more time if not for the strong headwind, most likely.

 

[TourOfSardinia]

Nibali said he is still in mid- preparation and he's happy with what today showed him.

 

[Red Rick]

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Castroviejo at 1.01 and Dennis at 1.06 could still very well be threats.

It's 10k of TT. And both need to hang on on tomorrow first

 

[dacooley]

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Seems like Quintana can destroy the field whichever way he wants on climbs these days. Go from the bottom like on Covadonga or Mas de la Costa, or just drop everyone in the final stages. Difficult to see how the Giro won't be an absolute walk over - with the amount of climbs he could easily win it by well over 5 minutes.

relatively easily is what you probably mean. anyway he'll have to win in an energy-saving mode to have a chance in the tour.

 

[frisenfruitig]

Quintana made the right choice going for the Giro as well. He's not going to beat Froome in full alien mode anyways

 

[Valv.Piti]

People are so uneducated in here at times. You don't attack a long way out in such a headwind against this field. Seems like many of you either don't ride bikes or simply wan't to use every opportunity to bash Quintana. Rather, you play it the smart way and win, both the stage and the overall.

 

[DNP-Old]

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Castroviejo at 1.01 and Dennis at 1.06 could still very well be threats.

It's 10k of TT. And both need to hang on on tomorrow first

Nairo lost 55 seconds to an ill Cancellara in San Benedetto del Tronto two years ago, it's not a foregone conclusion by any means.

 

[Hugo Koblet]

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Castroviejo at 1.01 and Dennis at 1.06 could still very well be threats.

It's 10k of TT. And both need to hang on on tomorrow first

Quintana lost 55 seconds to Cancellara in 2015. 43 seconds to Castroviejo. It could be close, but I guess Quintana could take it pretty easy in 2015 and probably could have gone faster.

 

[Escarabajo]

Whats up with Thomas???

Froome 2

He will be a tough cookie to beat at the Giro

 

[DFA123]

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Seems like Quintana can destroy the field whichever way he wants on climbs these days. Go from the bottom like on Covadonga or Mas de la Costa, or just drop everyone in the final stages. Difficult to see how the Giro won't be an absolute walk over - with the amount of climbs he could easily win it by well over 5 minutes.

I still think Froome will have the upperhand in the Tour, with or without Giro in the legs.

Absolutely. At their respective peak (i.e. the Tour), Froome is probably on a par with him in terms of climbing, and obviously much better at TT. I think when neither rider is at their peak, Quintana has the edge though - a better base level year round.

It's a bit of a shame really, because Quintana doing the Giro is probably going to make both the Giro and the Tour a bit of a non event as far as the GC is concerned. I guess the turmoil behind the scenes with Sky could impact Froome's level could drop enough to give others a chance, but I doubt it.

Looks like Vuelta will probably be the most exciting GC battle again.

 

[Red Rick]

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Whats up with Thomas???

Froome 2

He will be a tough cookie for the Giro

I wouldn't be so quick after one climb

 

[frisenfruitig]

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Whats up with Thomas???

Froome 2

He will be a tough cookie for the Giro

Way too much climbing for him to threaten an in form Quintana. I personally think it's a shame he apparently wants to be a GT rider. Could have been a solid guy for the classics and short stage races. But noooo, he has to lose weight to perhaps one day win a Tour...

 

[AlexNYC]

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People are so uneducated in here at times. You don't attack a long way out in such a headwind against this field. Seems like many of you either don't ride bikes or simply wan't to use every opportunity to bash Quintana. Rather, you play it the smart way and win, both the stage and the overall.

Not only that, but this win looked so effortless, it was a beautiful thing to see; even if he didn't attack from the bottom of the hill, like so many people want to see apparently.

 

[rick james]

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Whats up with Thomas???

Froome 2

He will be a tough cookie for the Giro

id say this climb sort of suited him a bit, the steep stuff in the giro will be his downfall

 

[frisenfruitig]

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People are so uneducated in here at times. You don't attack a long way out in such a headwind against this field. Seems like many of you either don't ride bikes or simply wan't to use every opportunity to bash Quintana. Rather, you play it the smart way and win, both the stage and the overall.

Not only that, but this win looked so effortless, it was a beautiful thing to see; even if he didn't attack from the bottom of the hill, like so many people want to see apparently.

Quintana always looks like that though, even when he gets dropped.

 

[DFA123]

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Seems like Quintana can destroy the field whichever way he wants on climbs these days. Go from the bottom like on Covadonga or Mas de la Costa, or just drop everyone in the final stages. Difficult to see how the Giro won't be an absolute walk over - with the amount of climbs he could easily win it by well over 5 minutes.

Calm down a bit....lets see him face a fully fit Dawg in July then you can say he " can destroy the field whichever way he wants on climbs"

Froome in the TdF is the one exception - except possibly in the third week from what we've seen in 2015. Quintana's on a different level to everyone else though - and unlike Froome seems to be able to sustain it year round.

 

[Kokoso]

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Whats up with Thomas???

Froome 2

He will be a tough cookie for the Giro

Way too much climbing for him to threaten an in form Quintana. I personally think it's a shame he apparently wants to be a GT rider. Could have been a solid guy for the classics and short stage races. But noooo, he has to lose weight to perhaps one day win a Tour...

Classics are good, but Grand Tours are >>> classics and Thomas realizes that.

 

[rick james]

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Seems like Quintana can destroy the field whichever way he wants on climbs these days. Go from the bottom like on Covadonga or Mas de la Costa, or just drop everyone in the final stages. Difficult to see how the Giro won't be an absolute walk over - with the amount of climbs he could easily win it by well over 5 minutes.

Calm down a bit....lets see him face a fully fit Dawg in July then you can say he " can destroy the field whichever way he wants on climbs"

Froome in the TdF is the one exception - except possibly in the third week from what we've seen in 2015. Quintana's on a different level to everyone else though - and unlike Froome seems to be able to sustain it year round.

2015 froome was ill in the 3rd week, he had a cold...him fading in the 3rd week is a myth

 

[Valv.Piti]

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People are so uneducated in here at times. You don't attack a long way out in such a headwind against this field. Seems like many of you either don't ride bikes or simply wan't to use every opportunity to bash Quintana. Rather, you play it the smart way and win, both the stage and the overall.

Not only that, but this win looked so effortless, it was a beautiful thing to see; even if he didn't attack from the bottom of the hill, like so many people want to see apparently.

Quintana always looks like that though, even when he gets dropped.

I saw him hurting a bit today tho. He clearly went all out, it was a very hard climb going alone at 7-8% and headwind. Played it masterfully tactically, especially compared to fx. Dumoulin who burned matches left and right for no apparent reason. You can't do that on such a climb in a headwind and Quintana was as always aware of that.

 

[DNP-Old]

Nairo said he wasn't feeling too well this week and had a flu.

 

[Flamin]

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People are so uneducated in here at times. You don't attack a long way out in such a headwind against this field. Seems like many of you either don't ride bikes or simply wan't to use every opportunity to bash Quintana. Rather, you play it the smart way and win, both the stage and the overall.

He did what he had to do which is bagging the overall in an economical way, but where did you notice "such a headwind"?

 

[kingjr]

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People are so uneducated in here at times. You don't attack a long way out in such a headwind against this field. Seems like many of you either don't ride bikes or simply wan't to use every opportunity to bash Quintana. Rather, you play it the smart way and win, both the stage and the overall.

Not only that, but this win looked so effortless, it was a beautiful thing to see; even if he didn't attack from the bottom of the hill, like so many people want to see apparently.

Quintana always looks like that though, even when he gets dropped.

I saw him hurting a bit today tho. He clearly went all out, it was a very hard climb going alone at 7-8% and headwind. Played it masterfully tactically, especially compared to fx. Dumoulin who burned matches left and right for no apparent reason. You can't do that on such a climb in a headwind and Quintana was as always aware of that.

What would be an apparent reason?

 

[Valv.Piti]

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People are so uneducated in here at times. You don't attack a long way out in such a headwind against this field. Seems like many of you either don't ride bikes or simply wan't to use every opportunity to bash Quintana. Rather, you play it the smart way and win, both the stage and the overall.

He did what he had to do which is bagging the overall in an economical way, but where did you notice "such a headwind"?

Read it in a preview and heard it from the commentators, but most importantly, judged by how they rode the climb, it was pretty obvious it was a headwind IMO.

 

[Valv.Piti]

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People are so uneducated in here at times. You don't attack a long way out in such a headwind against this field. Seems like many of you either don't ride bikes or simply wan't to use every opportunity to bash Quintana. Rather, you play it the smart way and win, both the stage and the overall.

Not only that, but this win looked so effortless, it was a beautiful thing to see; even if he didn't attack from the bottom of the hill, like so many people want to see apparently.

Quintana always looks like that though, even when he gets dropped.

I saw him hurting a bit today tho. He clearly went all out, it was a very hard climb going alone at 7-8% and headwind. Played it masterfully tactically, especially compared to fx. Dumoulin who burned matches left and right for no apparent reason. You can't do that on such a climb in a headwind and Quintana was as always aware of that.

What would be an apparent reason?

Because it was a 20-30 man field and headwind. Chapeau for him attacking, but its not the first time I've seen Dumoulin lacking a bit in the racing smarts apartment. He is just so super strong.