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So, who wins?

  • Démare

    Votes: 1 0.7%
  • Lotto Soudal

    Votes: 1 0.7%
  • Kristoff

    Votes: 3 2.0%
  • Sagan

    Votes: 64 42.7%
  • Degenkolb

    Votes: 5 3.3%
  • Van Avermaet

    Votes: 33 22.0%
  • Durbridge

    Votes: 4 2.7%
  • Gilbert

    Votes: 22 14.7%
  • Quickstep other than Gilbert

    Votes: 6 4.0%
  • Other

    Votes: 11 7.3%

  • Total voters
    150
  • Poll closed .
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With GVA and Sagan as overwhelming favourites I would give the edge to GVA.
But with all the attention and focus on the I'll win but you won't rubbish I feel neither of them actually will.
Voted Durbridge as that is where the heart is but it was more a vote for not GVA/Sagan rather than a firm pick.

Valv.Piti I would recommend http://www.trappistwestmalle.be/nl/de-tripel-van-westmalle
 
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Sagan is training before Ronde with Kwiato in France.
 
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Valv.Piti said:
What beverages goes well with Vlaanderen? I follow some fancy twitter-guys who from time to time are posting a pictures of belgian beer while watching classics and I wanna be that cool too.

Trappist beers. Westmalle, Rochefort, Orval, Chimay, Westvleteren (if you can get it), Achel and La Trappe.
 
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King Boonen said:
Valv.Piti said:
What beverages goes well with Vlaanderen? I follow some fancy twitter-guys who from time to time are posting a pictures of belgian beer while watching classics and I wanna be that cool too.

Trappist beers. Westmalle, Rochefort, Orval, Chimay, Westvleteren (if you can get it), Achel and La Trappe.
yep ... and Dubbels taste better than Triples IMO
 
Valv.piti, if you really want to be fancy, consider anything from Roman Brewery in Mater, on top of the Varent (one of the famous hellingen in the 70s, but abandoned in favour of Eikenberg).
Adriaan Brouwer (brown) or Sloeber (white) are both pretty heavy on alcohol.

I prefer Ename blond from the tap, but I suppose you can't get this anywhere you live?
 
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Regarding the whole Peeters-Sagan debacle.
Brian Holm mentioned yesterday on the transmission from de Panne that Peeters and Sagan are private friends (I don't really know how that has come to be) and that he (Holm that is) didn't really understand what Peeters was trying to say in the Cyclingnews interview.

And given that Peeters' comment allegedly was accompanied by a laugh, maybe we should not take it too seriously.

But in fact, I think it's going to be quite straightforward in Flanders. Any dangerous, early moves with QuickStep riders is unlikely to stick because BMC will keep everything in check. They are only betting on one horse and their time has the strength to be a factor deep into the race until GvA decides to do something for himself. Then he will be crushed by Sagan (if you saw their rides up the Kemmel and on the infamous T-A stage, there can be no question who is the stronger rider IMO). As I see it, due to BMC's strength, the only things that can screw up Sagan's changes are an accident to himself or GvA like last year. Because if GvA is out, he will suddenly be extremely vulnerable to QuickStep and it will be almost impossible to cover everything single-handedly. In that (unlikely) case, his best chance will probably be to go very early but that is going to be tremendously difficult, even for him. The last thing that may not happen (for Sagan) is for him to let GvA up the road like what happened in E3. Then it's probably game over.

But if none of these things happen, I think he will repeat his victory.

Until everybody is disqualified because they have been seen near a sidewalk.
 
In 2013, at his debut, Kwiatkowski was in 3rd position in the Canc. group (4th in total, as Roelandts was still up the road) over the Kwaremont and almost kept in touch with Cancellara / Sagan (watch here: https://youtu.be/E_ENtrdh354?t=11856 ). If he kept in touch until Paterberg, he could have finished on the podium.
And that was his debut...

In 2016, he was again in the mix. I really wonder where he would be by now if he 'learned' in 2014 and 2015. He would have done the race 4 times and judging by 2013 and 2016, he would always be considered at least an outsider for the win and more.
 
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Jagartrott said:
Crazy that Kwiatkowski isn't here. Sky doing a Gilbert-BMC.
I don't know what Kwiat's preferences were, as he obviously can't ride all the classics on a good level. He may not be convinced that LBL isn't for him.
 
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18-Valve. (pithy) said:
King Boonen said:
Valv.Piti said:
What beverages goes well with Vlaanderen? I follow some fancy twitter-guys who from time to time are posting a pictures of belgian beer while watching classics and I wanna be that cool too.

Trappist beers. Westmalle, Rochefort, Orval, Chimay, Westvleteren (if you can get it), Achel and La Trappe.
yep ... and Dubbels taste better than Triples IMO

I like them all. It's like cheese. Sometimes Comte or Ossau-Iraty are perfect, sometimes you feel like Manchego and sometimes nothing but a Fourme d'Ambert will do :)
 
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18-Valve. (pithy) said:
Jagartrott said:
Crazy that Kwiatkowski isn't here. Sky doing a Gilbert-BMC.
I don't know what Kwiat's preferences were, as he obviously can't ride all the classics on a good level. He may not be convinced that LBL isn't for him.

It was Kwiats choice which makes it a different situation from Gilberts afaik.

Yes he would probably do quite well here and hopefully he comes back to it next year but I don't think we can criticize him/Sky too much considering he is smashing the alternative races that he is focusing on.

The thing is he's so strong he has the potential to win any classic (expect maybe PR?) that he chooses but you can't race them all every year.
 
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Valv.Piti said:
What beverages goes well with Vlaanderen? I follow some fancy twitter-guys who from time to time are posting a pictures of belgian beer while watching classics and I wanna be that cool too.

the devil of beers
http://www.duvel.com/en-gb/the-beer/duvel

however, I'll perhaps rather have something lighter in order to still be able following the final part of the race ....
 
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deValtos said:
It was Kwiats choice which makes it a different situation from Gilberts afaik.

Yes he would probably do quite well here and hopefully he comes back to it next year but I don't think we can criticize him/Sky too much considering he is smashing the alternative races that he is focusing on.

The thing is he's so strong he has the potential to win any classic (expect maybe PR?) that he chooses but you can't race them all every year.
You can combine Strade, MSR and RVV. GVA and Sagan also rode these.
 
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18-Valve. (pithy) said:
King Boonen said:
Valv.Piti said:
What beverages goes well with Vlaanderen? I follow some fancy twitter-guys who from time to time are posting a pictures of belgian beer while watching classics and I wanna be that cool too.

Trappist beers. Westmalle, Rochefort, Orval, Chimay, Westvleteren (if you can get it), Achel and La Trappe.
yep ... and Dubbels taste better than Triples IMO

Agreed
 
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Jagartrott said:
deValtos said:
It was Kwiats choice which makes it a different situation from Gilberts afaik.

Yes he would probably do quite well here and hopefully he comes back to it next year but I don't think we can criticize him/Sky too much considering he is smashing the alternative races that he is focusing on.

The thing is he's so strong he has the potential to win any classic (expect maybe PR?) that he chooses but you can't race them all every year.
You can combine Strade, MSR and RVV. GVA and Sagan also rode these.
And Gilbert combined them with an Ardennes assault as well, with winning form in all of them in 2011.
 
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Netserk said:
Jagartrott said:
deValtos said:
It was Kwiats choice which makes it a different situation from Gilberts afaik.

Yes he would probably do quite well here and hopefully he comes back to it next year but I don't think we can criticize him/Sky too much considering he is smashing the alternative races that he is focusing on.

The thing is he's so strong he has the potential to win any classic (expect maybe PR?) that he chooses but you can't race them all every year.
You can combine Strade, MSR and RVV. GVA and Sagan also rode these.
And Gilbert combined them with an Ardennes assault as well, with winning form in all of them in 2011.

Yeah, but Kwiat did them all last year, and he was in shitty form already at Ronde, in Liege he was hopeless and he said that's his dream race, so I guess he wants to be in top shape for it.
 
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He was in *** form in Strade already. I really doubt that it was his race program that caused that.
 
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deValtos said:
18-Valve. (pithy) said:
Jagartrott said:
Crazy that Kwiatkowski isn't here. Sky doing a Gilbert-BMC.
I don't know what Kwiat's preferences were, as he obviously can't ride all the classics on a good level. He may not be convinced that LBL isn't for him.

It was Kwiats choice which makes it a different situation from Gilberts afaik.

Dunno when exactly Gilbert wanted to change focus to Ronde (think only in 2015 or 2016 when Ardennes had started to become more and more defensive), but in his early BMC years, his preference was definitely Ardennes.
 
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Would be epic if Van Kiersbulck or Vandenbergh will get this one.