2017 Worlds BERGEN, NORWAY, RR ELITE, SUN 24th 277KM!

[SKSemtex]

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Why did Denmark chased?
Are they the "friends" Sagan is referring to in his post race interview?

I've never thought of that but wouldn't be too surprised if it's true, not neccesarily team Denmark, though. I just can't believe Sagan with no team would put all his luck on a sprint, on how all his rivals' team chasing, without anyone else he could personally rely on, this race is too important for him, there must be some more assurance.

LOL. We have a conspiracy here.

 

[yaco]

Reckon team selection will be challenging for the 2018 World's if the course is as tough as predicted.

 

[Finn84]

Sagan in national team is a bit of different rider than Sagan in trade team. Which is understandable as Slovakia doesn't have much strong riders apart from him, as his trade team support is much more on level with other teams.

 

[GraftPunk]

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Why did Denmark chased?
Are they the "friends" Sagan is referring to in his post race interview?

I've never thought of that but wouldn't be too surprised if it's true, not neccesarily team Denmark, though. I just can't believe Sagan with no team would put all his luck on a sprint, on how all his rivals' team chasing, without anyone else he could personally rely on, this race is too important for him, there must be some more assurance.

I figured he was making a light comment on how many in the peloton might feel aggrieved after so many consecutive WC wins.

 

[DingoGuesdon]

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The course actually was very interesting because Alaphilippe and Moscon could have definitely arrived (as it has happened in every other race so far this year) if Alaphilippe did not attack Moscon on the cobbled section. Also I wonder how it would have unfolded in a proper Norwegian rainy day like we had in 1993.

At least this year it was so terrible as it was in Copenhagen or Doha.

I think Moscon was cooked and could not do proper pulls. He was more of a dead weight than anything.

 

[Bardamu]

Congrats to Sagan, he did it again although apparently he wasn't one of the strongest on the climb.

The race was raced hard but the wrong people were in tthe attack. Wellens should have been in the last lap, he would have worked together with Phil to get to Alaphilippe.
Dumoulin and Terpstra should also have switched attacks. Dumoulin for the last lap and Terpstra for the penultimate.
Not sure why Kwiatkowski was nowhere to be seen.
But all in all a cool last 100km, but still the finish was a bit disappointing.

Btw, did EBH laugh because Kristoff did not win?

 

[Baldinger]

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Why did Denmark chased?
Are they the "friends" Sagan is referring to in his post race interview?

The Danish team clearly chased because they wanted to set up the sprint for Cort.

 

[RedheadDane]

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Cort... Cort... Cort... what were you doing?
He probably wouldn't have won if he'd waited for the sprint, he might not even have gotten a medal, but a top-10?

Cort is a bit quicker than Matthews in a sprint and about the same level as Trentin - Waited and he could have come between 3rd to 6th.

Last time I checked between 3rd to 6th was a top-10. Valgren and Kragh Andersen was going all-in to make a sprint, so why didn't he wait for the sprint?

 

[gunara]

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Why did Denmark chased?
Are they the "friends" Sagan is referring to in his post race interview?

I've never thought of that but wouldn't be too surprised if it's true, not neccesarily team Denmark, though. I just can't believe Sagan with no team would put all his luck on a sprint, on how all his rivals' team chasing, without anyone else he could personally rely on, this race is too important for him, there must be some more assurance.

LOL. We have a conspiracy here.

Yeah, but why not Could be because that I'm not a pro athlete and wouldn't have that confidence and habit of relying on such uncertainty.

 

[Durden93]

Good job Sagan.
But what does his third consecutive win say about worlds route selection? Perhaps routes should differ significantly year to year - a mountainous route one year followed by a flat route followed by a rolling route.

The world routes have differed significantly, it's just that Sagan is very versatile. Richmond was a course that was heavily backloaded in the final 4km. Wasn't too hard but that made it great for attacks. Doha was flat. Bergen was made for attacks from 10km+ out.

 

[AQETUYIOI]

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I'm starting to think a shorter distance on a more selective course would shake things up. The six hours of riding seems to stifle proper racing, and for the last few years is simple attrition.

how about give teams equal number of riders? how about cap the number at 5 for everyone?

Make it easier for Sagan?

 

[Jagartrott]

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The actual race finished quicker than the fastest predicted finish time - Rider's made it as hard as possible on that course - It was a good rave and I have no complaints - Next year people will complain even though it's a mountainous route - We should be applauding Sagan's performance - This is one rider who usually gets it right in a sprint. .

This.
People here who complain this or that team did "f*** all" are deluded.
The parcours was just made for big groups always coming back.

 

[jaylew]

I'd be interested in hearing what happened during the final 3k blackout. Were there any attacks? Anyone hear anything?

 

[Dr. Watson]

so is Moscon gonna get DSQ or just shamed?
https://twitter.com/CyclingHubTV/status/911952147427872768

 

[franic]

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The course actually was very interesting because Alaphilippe and Moscon could have definitely arrived (as it has happened in every other race so far this year) if Alaphilippe did not attack Moscon on the cobbled section. Also I wonder how it would have unfolded in a proper Norwegian rainy day like we had in 1993.

At least this year it was so terrible as it was in Copenhagen or Doha.

I think Moscon was cooked and could not do proper pulls. He was more of a dead weight than anything.

Moscon said on Italian TV Alaphilippe and him kept the same distance of 2-3" until Gaviria caught them at the flamme rouge. The point is that Alaphilippe is much faster than Moscon, and Moscon would have loved a 2nd place, so why didn't the French try to keep a mate until as far as possible.

 

[franic]

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I'd be interested in hearing what happened during the final 3k blackout. Were there any attacks? Anyone hear anything?

From what riders said Alaphilippe attacked Moscon and they remained at the same distance until just before the last Km when Gaviria and somebody else caught them. After that it was on TV.

 

[sir fly]

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I'd be interested in hearing what happened during the final 3k blackout. Were there any attacks? Anyone hear anything?

Just wanted to write that some footage would be more than welcome, and I see you've already asking about it.

So, if someone runs into something, forward it here, please.

 

[tobydawq]

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I'd be interested in hearing what happened during the final 3k blackout. Were there any attacks? Anyone hear anything?

On Sagan's interview it sounded much like he had been involved in an attack and Gaviria as well.

Cort said the same, and he even said that "in the situation he found himself in it didn't make any sense to just sit up". So I think he might have been in a small group, seen that the chase behind was disorganised and figured that his best chance was to go solo. But then the presence of Bettiol was probbaly the only thing salvaging it for the sprinters.

If that is the case, I don't think Cort's move was that stupid.

 

[Oude Geuze]

If you crash, you get some help. What's the difference between 9sec sticky bottle and 9min car drafting exactly? And who wants to see someone crash out of contention? We should allow a little leeway.

 

[jaylew]

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I'd be interested in hearing what happened during the final 3k blackout. Were there any attacks? Anyone hear anything?

From what riders said Alaphilippe attacked Moscon and they remained at the same distance until just before the last Km when Gaviria and somebody else caught them. After that it was on TV.

Well, if that's the case, it would explain Gaviria being nowhere in the sprint. That would make two solo efforts in the final kms.

 

[Lance Armstrong]

Sagan played it smart. He knew that if he doesn't attack, no one attacks, because they all just waited for Sagan to attack.

 

[jaylew]

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If you crash, you get some help. What's the difference between 9sec sticky bottle and 9min car drafting exactly? And who wants to see someone crash out of contention? We should allow a little leeway.

I don't disagree completely but if he had won or finished on the podium it would have definitely been an issue.

 

[Jagartrott]

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I'd be interested in hearing what happened during the final 3k blackout. Were there any attacks? Anyone hear anything?

From what riders said Alaphilippe attacked Moscon and they remained at the same distance until just before the last Km when Gaviria and somebody else caught them. After that it was on TV.

Gilbert said he also tried.

 

[cineteq]

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I'd call for lifetime suspension

so is Moscon gonna get DSQ or just shamed?
https://twitter.com/CyclingHubTV/status/911952147427872768

 

[Richeypen]

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so is Moscon gonna get DSQ or just shamed?
https://twitter.com/CyclingHubTV/status/911952147427872768

If you get DSQ'd for that you should also be gone for sticky bottles.