2017 Worlds BERGEN, NORWAY, RR ELITE, SUN 24th 277KM!

[Bardamu]

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If you crash, you get some help. What's the difference between 9sec sticky bottle and 9min car drafting exactly? And who wants to see someone crash out of contention? We should allow a little leeway.

it was up an entire climb, bit too much if you ask me

 

[LaFlorecita]

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so is Moscon gonna get DSQ or just shamed?
https://twitter.com/CyclingHubTV/status/911952147427872768

If you get DSQ'd for that you should also be gone for sticky bottles.

That was quite a bit worse than a regular sticky bottle. Look at him leaving the poor Colombian rider in the dust. Not sure how you can defend him?

 

[Inquitus]

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so is Moscon gonna get DSQ or just shamed?
https://twitter.com/CyclingHubTV/status/911952147427872768

If you get DSQ'd for that you should also be gone for sticky bottles.

That was quite a bit worse than a regular sticky bottle. Look at him leaving the poor Colombian rider in the dust. Not sure how you can defend him?

Not in the same league as Nibali or Barguil at the Vuelta, looked just like a borderline sticky bottle from the clip.

 

[Brullnux]

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so is Moscon gonna get DSQ or just shamed?
https://twitter.com/CyclingHubTV/status/911952147427872768

Considering he finished like 30th, just shamed

 

[franic]

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so is Moscon gonna get DSQ or just shamed?
https://twitter.com/CyclingHubTV/status/911952147427872768

If you get DSQ'd for that you should also be gone for sticky bottles.

You should DQ half of the pelotoN. It's very annoying to have this type of useless FairPlay about uninfluential stuff just for the sake of having an argument. This is something I miss about the good old days when nobody would have even mentioned the fact.

 

[LaFlorecita]

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so is Moscon gonna get DSQ or just shamed?
https://twitter.com/CyclingHubTV/status/911952147427872768

If you get DSQ'd for that you should also be gone for sticky bottles.

That was quite a bit worse than a regular sticky bottle. Look at him leaving the poor Colombian rider in the dust. Not sure how you can defend him?

Not in the same league as Nibali or Barguil at the Vuelta, looked just like a borderline sticky bottle from the clip.

Borderline sticky bottle? He got a 200m pull. The sticky bottles that are condoned last no longer than a second or 2.

 

[burning]

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I'd be interested in hearing what happened during the final 3k blackout. Were there any attacks? Anyone hear anything?

From what riders said Alaphilippe attacked Moscon and they remained at the same distance until just before the last Km when Gaviria and somebody else caught them. After that it was on TV.

Gilbert said he also tried.

Man, that 3km section without cameras must have been the best 3km section ever in cycling. Gilbert, Gaviria, Cort, Sagan, Dumo all claimed that they tried something in that 3km, or some of them are completely bsing, which is more likely.

 

[LaFlorecita]

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so is Moscon gonna get DSQ or just shamed?
https://twitter.com/CyclingHubTV/status/911952147427872768

If you get DSQ'd for that you should also be gone for sticky bottles.

You should DQ half of the pelotoN. It's very annoying to have this type of useless FairPlay about uninfluential stuff just for the sake of having an argument. This is something I miss about the good old days when nobody would have even mentioned the fact.

Uninfluential stuff? In case you didn't notice, Moscon was in a great position to take a medal, perhaps even first place, in the final 5km. Without that pull, he may not have been up there. Wouldn't call that uninfluential.

 

[Põhja Konn]

For the men's elite race, the hill was too far from the finish. It was not hard enough to open up a gap big enough for holding off even a heavily reduced peloton over 10 kilometres. As the race finished way ahead of even the fastest predicted schedule, we can't accuse riders of not making the race hard.

For every other road race at these World's the circuit more or less worked, but for men's elite it wasn't selective enough in its current configuration. That's the problem with circuits - there's very little margin for error with designing them. Make it too easy and it ends in a bunch sprint of some kind, make it too hard and everybody waits for the last lap.

The latter will likely become a problem next year. With that murito on the last lap, it will be a shootout between the elite group of climbers on the slopes of it.

 

[Cance > TheRest]

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I'd be interested in hearing what happened during the final 3k blackout. Were there any attacks? Anyone hear anything?

From what riders said Alaphilippe attacked Moscon and they remained at the same distance until just before the last Km when Gaviria and somebody else caught them. After that it was on TV.

Gilbert said he also tried.

Man, that 3km section without cameras must have been the best 3km section ever in cycling. Gilbert, Gaviria, Cort, Sagan, Dumo all claimed that they tried something in that 3km, or some of them are completely bsing, which is more likely.

For all we know, Cort is clearly telling the truth

 

[LaFlorecita]

Moscon has been disqualified.
https://twitter.com/wcstats/status/911987642396487680

 

[ihosama]

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Nah joke aside, sagan weelsucked today, but he usaully does not. Gva did the samething and couldn't win, Its not his fault he won.

As far as I was always concerned, riding in the bunch was never considered "wheelsucking". The word was invented for riders who "hitch a ride" on an escape and do not contribute. If we start declaring anyone who rides in the bunch a "wheelsucker", the whole peloton would fall into that category. What would be the point of that ?

 

[kingjr]

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so is Moscon gonna get DSQ or just shamed?
https://twitter.com/CyclingHubTV/status/911952147427872768

If you get DSQ'd for that you should also be gone for sticky bottles.

That was quite a bit worse than a regular sticky bottle. Look at him leaving the poor Colombian rider in the dust. Not sure how you can defend him?

I wouldn't call him poor unless I can say for sure he wouldn't have done the same when given the opportunity.

 

[jaylew]

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Nah joke aside, sagan weelsucked today, but he usaully does not. Gva did the samething and couldn't win, Its not his fault he won.

As far as I was allways concerned, riding in the bunch was never considered "wheelsucking". The word was invented for riders who "hitch a ride" on an escape and do not contribute. If we start declaring anyone who rides in the bunch a "wheelsucker", the whole peloton would fall into that category. What would be the point of that ?

Stop! You're making too much sense!

 

[Jagartrott]

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so is Moscon gonna get DSQ or just shamed?
https://twitter.com/CyclingHubTV/status/911952147427872768

Considering he finished like 30th, just shamed

He should've been pulled out. He affected the final.
The car was going so hard with him the motorcycle lost their trail - uphill. Not done.

 

[SKSemtex]

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Moscon has been disqualified.
https://twitter.com/wcstats/status/911987642396487680

So easy to do now when he finished in 30th place.
I wonder what would jury have done if he won the race.
Anyway , probably correct decission.

 

[Billie]

http://sporza.be/cm/sporza/matchcenter/mc_wielrennen/Comp_WK_wielrennen-2017/1.3065384

Heli Video of the final 5 kms. Attacks by Swift, Lutsenko, Gilbert and Cort with Gaviria, Sagan and later Bettiol closing mostly all down.

 

[Echoes]

Ever since I've been following cycling (28 years now), such action has always been tolerated after a crash...

 

[Billie]

Ever since I've been following cycling (28 years now), such action has always been tolerated after a crash...

Problem in this case was mostly how he rode away from Henao who crashed with him and was chasing with him.

 

[Frankschleck]

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Nah joke aside, sagan weelsucked today, but he usaully does not. Gva did the samething and couldn't win, Its not his fault he won.

As far as I was allways concerned, riding in the bunch was never considered "wheelsucking". The word was invented for riders who "hitch a ride" on an escape and do not contribute. If we start declaring anyone who rides in the bunch a "wheelsucker", the whole peloton would fall into that category. What would be the point of that ?

Stop! You're making too much sense!

It was a response to the guy who wrote sagan whellsucked, where i meant if that was the definiton of wheelsucking, then the other riders riding the sprint did that to. Sagan did nothing wrong, and derseves his win.

 

[jaylew]

Oh, I agree with you. It's a stupid, overused term.

 

[Norbea]

The explenation for the loss of TV-signals was that the electric power shut down in an area of Bergen. Suddenly they lost the signals to both the heli and Moto team. Guess someone was pulling their hair off in the TV control room.

 

[Popchu]

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http://sporza.be/cm/sporza/matchcenter/mc_wielrennen/Comp_WK_wielrennen-2017/1.3065384

Heli Video of the final 5 kms. Attacks by Swift, Lutsenko, Gilbert and Cort with Gaviria, Sagan and later Bettiol closing mostly all down.

Moscon closed the gap with Alaphilippe?

And Gaviria, why did he all those attacks? He could've won it. :Neutral:

 

[Hellyea]

Salt here is real lol, keep it coming boys. Sagan showed that he can win anywhere, anyhow and anytime. Today he rode "smart" as one best classics rider of this year claimed couple months ago. If he attacked on Salmon Hill and failed on that 10km ITT, people would have bashed him for riding stupid. Now he cemented himself as one of the GOATs (*** numbers) and the only one in the history with consecutive WC wins. The only way to stop him is to DQ him or shoot him. I love this guy.

 

[franic]

Ever since I've been following cycling (28 years now), such action has always been tolerated after a crash...

Same here. It was maybe the most ridiculous DQ I have ever seen in my life. Given that Moscon had the legs to attack Gilbert I wonder how difficult it would have been to catch the group drafting behind cars...