2018 Innsbruck World Championship Men's Road Race - 259km

[RedheadDane]

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I only saw the last 35 or so kms, , kudo's to TD for getting back in the final km, Bardet however "killed" Alaph with his tempo on "the Hell", it seesm he didn't realize Alaph wasn't able to follow.

A little disapointed by the absence of columbian riders although the climbing and murito must have suited MAL (did he participate?) or an Uran?

Lopez did participate, unfortunately he crashed.
"an Uran"? Which one?

Uran Uran.

Are you suggesting he's managed to learn the "Multi-form Technique"?

Or maybe his parents are cousins?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rigoberto_Ur%C3%A1n_Ur%C3%A1n

I know his name is 'Uran Uran', I was just wondering why Lexman was talking about 'an Uran', far as I know there's only one; who's just called 'Uran' twice.
And it's entirely possible 'Uran' is just a rather common surname in Colombia.

 

[42x16ss]

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Analysis of Woods' data

Softpedalled till the final climb. Drafting was super important.

For a 65kg rider like Woods, 305W is around 4.7 watts per kg.

All the other times over the climb were over 5 Watts per kilo. They weren’t soft-pedaling.

 

[120mmStem]

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Analysis of Woods' data

Softpedalled till the final climb. Drafting was super important.

For a 65kg rider like Woods, 305W is around 4.7 watts per kg.

All the other times over the climb were over 5 Watts per kilo. They weren’t soft-pedaling.

I’m impressed. Looks like a tough race.

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=toDqX2_KFDc

Anybody seen the UCI's official résumé of the race? Holy shait it's bad.

A minute and a half of random shots of landscapes or nothing happening very early in the race, all of them cut too fast to see much. Then within 2 seconds (literally 2 seconds!) it cuts from 90km to go, to the finishing straight, ignoring all the actual racing inbetween.

All of it overlaid with music instead of commentary, just as the fans hate.

Yep, looks like a typical UCI video alright

It's really annoying that someone has chosen to take TV rights seriously this year. We can hardly find any of the big races on Youtube anymore.

I mean, I get why they don't want footage they have the rights for floating around everywhere on youtube, but it is a pity that the organizers don't at least make proper highlight videos. And I'm not taking about 3 minute highlight cuts like these but proper 10 or more minutes videos (like organizations like the NFL for example). Or are they afraid people will then just stop watching races altogether?

I don't understand why they can't allow their races to be uploaded to Youtube when they don't offer a streaming service that can allow us to watch races that took place more than a week ago.

I wonder what would happen if you post a private video of the race on youtube with a random name, and just share the private link through private messages. I would think there is no way for them to find out?

 

[GuyIncognito]

At that point it's the same as the private torrent trackers that already exist, except not easily findable for those with access

 

[42x16ss]

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Analysis of Woods' data

Softpedalled till the final climb. Drafting was super important.

For a 65kg rider like Woods, 305W is around 4.7 watts per kg.

All the other times over the climb were over 5 Watts per kilo. They weren’t soft-pedaling.

I’m impressed. Looks like a tough race.

Yes indeed. Remember Woods also protected himself very well until the action kicked off. The pacesetters would have been hitting the climb even harder.

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

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At that point it's the same as the private torrent trackers that already exist, except not easily findable for those with access

Myeah, but sending a youtube link seems a bit more straight forward.

 

[Red Rick]

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Analysis of Woods' data

Softpedalled till the final climb. Drafting was super important.

For a 65kg rider like Woods, 305W is around 4.7 watts per kg.

All the other times over the climb were over 5 Watts per kilo. They weren’t soft-pedaling.

5W per kg isn't that much especially for the duration of the climb.

I don't expect thermonuclear performances cause they climbed it so many time, but the fact that the final hill was done at 20% higher power output tells you there was plenty in the tank.

 

[42x16ss]

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Analysis of Woods' data

Softpedalled till the final climb. Drafting was super important.

For a 65kg rider like Woods, 305W is around 4.7 watts per kg.

All the other times over the climb were over 5 Watts per kilo. They weren’t soft-pedaling.

5W per kg isn't that much especially for the duration of the climb.

I don't expect thermonuclear performances cause they climbed it so many time, but the fact that the final hill was done at 20% higher power output tells you there was plenty in the tank.

For a guy like Woods, in isolation, no.

In the context of a 260 km road race, yes, it's enough to find out who doesn't have the legs, even at this level.

 

[roundabout]

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Analysis of Woods' data

Softpedalled till the final climb. Drafting was super important.

For a 65kg rider like Woods, 305W is around 4.7 watts per kg.

All the other times over the climb were over 5 Watts per kilo. They weren’t soft-pedaling.

5W per kg isn't that much especially for the duration of the climb.

I don't expect thermonuclear performances cause they climbed it so many time, but the fact that the final hill was done at 20% higher power output tells you there was plenty in the tank.

drafting vs a lot less drafting as well, maybe as much as 10% on Igls (don't know how fast they were actually going)

 

[jaylew]

Just realized Valverde has finished top 10 in almost every Worlds he's raced. 10 of 12.

 

[Koronin]

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Just realized Valverde has finished top 10 in almost every Worlds he's raced. 10 of 12.

Yeah, he some really crazy stats when you look past the wins and podiums he has to some of the other stats. This one, the never finishing outside the top 20 in a Grand Tour (of the ones he's finished). Worlds, 12 starts, 10 top 10s and 7 podiums. Crazy to think about actually.

 

[TourOfSardinia]

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Never saw Valverde so happy
maybe he can retire now
happy

Called it!
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/valverde-i-can-retire-happy-now/

 

[dusty red roads]

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=toDqX2_KFDc

Anybody seen the UCI's official résumé of the race? Holy shait it's bad.

Hmm, looks like they handed the footage over to a random video production company who know little or nothing about cycling, but figure rock guitar music underneath some random cycling shots would fit the bill just fine :surprised:

About YT lifestream - if you live in a country where it's not televised you could watch it live on YT, I could watch the women's race that way. But the men's was televised in my country so it wasn't available, so I watched the Aussie feed with a VPN, since I can't stand Kirby (who was on Tiz).

 

[Blanco]

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Just realized Valverde has finished top 10 in almost every Worlds he's raced. 10 of 12.

Easily one of the best riders this race ever saw. In company of Binda, Van Steenbergen, Van Looy, Merckx, Lemond, Freire, Bettini and Sagan.

 

[Koronin]

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Never saw Valverde so happy
maybe he can retire now
happy

Called it!
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/valverde-i-can-retire-happy-now/

He said right after the race that he can now be at peace when he retires. So him saying that yesterday fits with what he said after the race. Just a little different wording. He needed this one.

 

[Gigs_98]

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Never saw Valverde so happy
maybe he can retire now
happy

Called it!
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/valverde-i-can-retire-happy-now/

For a second I think Valverde announced his retirement. That would have been a shocker

 

[Koronin]

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Never saw Valverde so happy
maybe he can retire now
happy

Called it!
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/valverde-i-can-retire-happy-now/

For a second I think Valverde announced his retirement. That would have been a shocker

I think the translation is slight off. I have a feeling he means when he retires he can be happy. After the race in an interview he said when he retires he can be a peace, but that he still has some more time before that. I think this comment is an extension of the those comments.

 

[Broccolidwarf]

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Never saw Valverde so happy
maybe he can retire now
happy

Called it!
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/valverde-i-can-retire-happy-now/

For a second I think Valverde announced his retirement. That would have been a shocker

I think the translation is slight off. I have a feeling he means when he retires he can be happy. After the race in an interview he said when he retires he can be a peace, but that he still has some more time before that. I think this comment is an extension of the those comments.

If he can maintain his level (and is thus selected), I think the Olympics will be his last race.

 

[Valv.Piti]

Even if he drops 2 or 3 levels he will be selected. He probably wont maintain this level 2 years more, but you never know.

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

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Analysis of Woods' data
Softpedalled till the final climb. Drafting was super important.

Apparently, Woods (+bunch) fastest climb of the Igls, was 17 minutes 17 seconds. This was 17 seconds slower than Valgren's fastest climb, in 17 minutes flat. The fastest climb was ridden by the U23 (Lambrecht, Hirshi & Hanninen).
Evenepoel/Vacek were 13 seconds slower than Woods' fastest climb (so 30 seconds slower than Valgren), and van der Breggen was 2m17 slower than Valgren, 1m42 slower than Evenepoel/Vacek and 2m17s slower than the U23.

http://www.sport.be/cycling/nl/nieuws/article.html?Article_ID=840817
http://www.climbing-records.com/

2018:7,8 km@5,7%---16:55---average speed 27.67 km/h (Hirschi-Lambrecht-Hanninen) - U23 Men
2018:7,8 km@5,7%---17:00---average speed 27.53 km/h (Michael Valgren) - Elite Men---(+5s)
2018:7,8 km@5,7%---17:30---average speed 26.74 km/h (Evenepoel-Vacek) - Junior Men---(+35s)
2018:7,8 km@5,7%---19:12---average speed 24.37 km/h (Anna van der Breggen) - Elite Women---(+2m17s)
2018:7,8 km@5,7%---20:30---average speed 22.83 km/h (Boilard-Malcotti-Stigger) - Junior Women---(+3m35s)

For Valgren, this was the time with his attack. For van der Breggen, also. For Evenepoel/Vacek it was the climb where they bridged the gap with Mayrhofer. For the U23, it was the final climb. For the U23, Cras had been making tempo for Lambrecht. For van der Breggen, Van Vleuten had been setting the pace before the attack, and for Evenepoel it was Van Wilder who had been setting the pace before the jump.

 

[Red Rick]

I think it's interesting that the junior men and women are so much closer in the ITT than on the climb.

And yeah this is basically confirmation that Igls was softpedalled as hell.

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

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I think it's interesting that the junior men and women are so much closer in the ITT than on the climb.

And yeah this is basically confirmation that Igls was softpedalled as hell.

The difference with restricted gears is massive in descents and flat sections, not on climbs. In other words, the juniors have a handicap on flat and downhill, compared to the women but not on climbs. That's why the difference with the women was "only" +/- two minutes on the ITT. I'm quite confident, had Evenepoel ridden the ITT on unrestricted gears, he would have been very close to Bjerg's time, if not beaten it.

Also, softpedalled... that's only how you look at it. Climbing in peloton is still easier than going in the attack (like the juniors, U23...)

 

[42x16ss]

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I think it's interesting that the junior men and women are so much closer in the ITT than on the climb.

And yeah this is basically confirmation that Igls was softpedalled as hell.

Wow. Never have I heard of 5.2W/kg + referred to as soft-pedalling lol

 

[Red Rick]

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I think it's interesting that the junior men and women are so much closer in the ITT than on the climb.

And yeah this is basically confirmation that Igls was softpedalled as hell.

Wow. Never have I heard of 5.2W/kg + referred to as soft-pedalling lol

It is when the best riders can easily get close to 6W/kg but are just waiting for a steeper climb.