Its pretty riducolous, as Mayomanic said to me, its like the Fedaia stage in 2011, altho I will argue this one may be harder due to the double Mortirolo ascent.
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Escarabajo said:Is the profile in there? because I couldn't open it.Mayomaniac said:Wouldn't it be just 11km longer than the original stage:Red Rick said:2x Mortirolo is impossible cause it would be like 270km, so imagine it's either Aprica/Trivigno/Mortirolo like in 2010 or they go Mortirolo from Edolo, have some local loop to not back down on itself and then climb the side they just descended.Rollthedice said:Gavia in danger, snow and all? Martinelli (Astana DS of Pantani and Nibali fame) said that if Gavia will not be used it will be 2 X Mortirolo. Is this the backup plan or it's Martinelli's imagination?
Neither option is great. If double Mortirolo from Mazzo was possible I'd be breaking in somewhere to steal snow cannons now.
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Got it. Thanks.roundabout said:Escarabajo said:Is the profile in there? because I couldn't open it.Mayomaniac said:Wouldn't it be just 11km longer than the original stage:Red Rick said:2x Mortirolo is impossible cause it would be like 270km, so imagine it's either Aprica/Trivigno/Mortirolo like in 2010 or they go Mortirolo from Edolo, have some local loop to not back down on itself and then climb the side they just descended.Rollthedice said:Gavia in danger, snow and all? Martinelli (Astana DS of Pantani and Nibali fame) said that if Gavia will not be used it will be 2 X Mortirolo. Is this the backup plan or it's Martinelli's imagination?
Neither option is great. If double Mortirolo from Mazzo was possible I'd be breaking in somewhere to steal snow cannons now.
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Thanks for thatsearch said:yeah, they were probably afraid of Frapporti winning the Ciclamino (I actually really think someone like him would have had a realistic chance this year), so they better changed the rules
here you can find the pdf btw: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1RIquorKz2WQXBNnOuneO2AV5KxrB8H9H/view
(bonus seconds are actually only awarded at the 2nd sprint btw, so always at the one with no points for the sprint classification)
This is not on the route really, that happens no matter what unless you start the Giro with Zoncolan. Might as well have no stages in the first week.Red Rick said:I think right now is appropriate to hate some more on the first week.
Serpentin said:Forgot how boring this route is. No GC or puncheur action the first 10 Days. The Giro can do better.
Seems like you forgot about today and tomorrow.yaco said:Always an issue when you have an uphill prologue as stage one - Rules the sprinters out of contention to grab the pink jersey - Then if you don't have a punchy type stage which attracts a serious breakaway, especially giving wildcard teams to grab the pink, you then have the pink jersey from the prologue holding onto the jersey until at least stage 9 - First week should give opportunities for the pink jersey to be targetted by a variety of teams.
Valv.Piti said:Seems like you forgot about today and tomorrow.yaco said:Always an issue when you have an uphill prologue as stage one - Rules the sprinters out of contention to grab the pink jersey - Then if you don't have a punchy type stage which attracts a serious breakaway, especially giving wildcard teams to grab the pink, you then have the pink jersey from the prologue holding onto the jersey until at least stage 9 - First week should give opportunities for the pink jersey to be targetted by a variety of teams.
I agree about the first part being poorly designedyaco said:Valv.Piti said:Seems like you forgot about today and tomorrow.yaco said:Always an issue when you have an uphill prologue as stage one - Rules the sprinters out of contention to grab the pink jersey - Then if you don't have a punchy type stage which attracts a serious breakaway, especially giving wildcard teams to grab the pink, you then have the pink jersey from the prologue holding onto the jersey until at least stage 9 - First week should give opportunities for the pink jersey to be targetted by a variety of teams.
There is a difference between a strong breakaway and a team willingly giving up the pink jersey - Front half of the Giro is poorly designed - Now the racing may have more verve because UAE may have trouble controlling the peleton.
Roglič! A hill record with a telemark landing, unbelievable!Brullnux said:https://video.repubblica.it/sport/giro-d-italia-passo-gavia-sommerso-dalla-neve-fra-sei-giorni-c-e-la-tappa-ma-ora-sul-percorso-si-scia/335163/335764?ref=RHPPRT-BS-I0-C4-P1-S2.4-T1
Right now Passo Gavia is a better ski run than road, but local officials still say they should have it ready by tuesday unless it snows again. It's not supposed to snow again, so I trust them. That's the 60% that Vegni was talking about. However, as the may of Ponte di Legno said, if it snows on the day or the day before then there's not much they can do, and that's the 40%.
Partially true. In case of the Stelvio though, it was built in the early 1800s by the Austrian empire as a very important connection between Südtyrol and Valtellina (and thus Lombardy).Nirvana said:I think a lot of this high mountain roads were created during the WWI for milatary use then have been later rediscovered and converted to touristic use, for example on the Stelvio there are thousand of people per day when is open and souvenirs shops on the top. I've even recently read that the road to Nivolet on route to which there is the finish tomorrow is with limited acces because there were too much cars and motos going up.
no, only for the GiroScarponi said:Do you do previews like this for the Veulta?
This, very few of the more well known alpine roads in the high mountains were actually built in WWI, by that time the military on both sides started using funiculars to support their troops on the mountains, for example the Austro-Hungarian Army on the Monte Piano. The road used by the Italians on the Monte Piano was actually built before the war for strategic reasons.Eshnar said:Partially true. In case of the Stelvio though, it was built in the early 1800s by the Austrian empire as a very important connection between Südtyrol and Valtellina (and thus Lombardy).Nirvana said:I think a lot of this high mountain roads were created during the WWI for milatary use then have been later rediscovered and converted to touristic use, for example on the Stelvio there are thousand of people per day when is open and souvenirs shops on the top. I've even recently read that the road to Nivolet on route to which there is the finish tomorrow is with limited acces because there were too much cars and motos going up.
Gavia instead was still sterrato even in the late '80s, it was never meant to be a high traffic pass in the first place.