2019 TdF CQ Game

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Re: Re:

bminchow said:
Koronin said:
Salvarani said:
Hmm.

I didnt pick a sprinter since I thought they would probably be beating each other a lot and they were all somewhat expensive. I would probably pick the wrong one anyway, lol. I also opted out of picking Aru and Porte even though I could have fitted them in with Bernal, Landa and Uran who are on my team. We will see if that was a mistake or not. I thought I would have more fun following and cheering for riders like Barguil, Gesbert and Gougeard who I picked instead. Hoping they will go in breaks and for stage wins. The last two riders on my team are just the two cheapest riders you could have. Not expecting anything there but who knows.

That's why I went with the less expensive Ewan and Cobrelli for sprinters. Funny enough I had Porte on my team originally and then decided I just didn't trust him to stay on his bike or the Trek team.
I agree on the sprinters. it was just too hard to spend that kind of money. We just have to hope we can catch up in the mountains.
My GC rider is Mas. So happy with today's result. Hoping for some of my boys to get into the breaks and get some good results that way.
 
Stage 2 Team Time Trial

(I had to re-jig the spreadsheet: suddenly realised why I had columns for the early stages before the totals columns, which I had previously "corrected", thinking it was a rationalisation.)

Stage points today were relatively unimportant, no rider got more than 20 of them (although Teunissen gets another 20 for the yellow jersey). Far more significant were the changes in projected position: Van Aert was 16th yesterday, with 94 points projected for that position, now he is 2nd, and if he stays there, will have 450 GC placing points. So he is the biggest improvement of the day.
However, none of us expect Van Aert to hang on to that podium spot, so he will at some time get negative points: that has already happened for some, most obviously Peter Sagan. He has dropped from 2nd to 48th, so his projected GC points are now 23, not 450.

I won't list every rider's point fluctuations every day: I'll choose a cut off depending on how dramatic the stage has been, and I will only show those who have been selected by at least one of our managers.

VAN AERT Wout 382 for Archieboy
KRUIJSWIJK Steven 380 for 5 teams
MARTIN Tony 320 for Otoxiep87
BERNAL GOMEZ Egan Arley 222 28 teams
THOMAS Geraint 192 for Ripley
MAS NICOLAU Enric 108 8
ZABEL Rick 70 7
KELDERMAN Wilco 65 3
KÄMNA Lennard 60 9
ZAKARIN Ilnur 53 1
...
PASQUALON Andrea -100 1
MATTHEWS Michael -157 1
TRENTIN Matteo -208 1
COLBRELLI Sonny -260 2
EWAN Caleb -360 16
SAGAN Peter -427 2


Daily Scores
Anyone who had a decent day yesterday courtesy of Ewan or Sagan saw most of those points evaporate today, even if many of us had that mitigated somewhat by the rise of a member of one of the higher placed teams (most commonly Bernal). That still left a lot of us in negative territory.

Very close for the honours on the day:

1 Laarsland 626 (Kruijswijk, Bernal and Zabel, but Debusschere and Garcia lost points) (80 Green points)
2 Search 624 (Kruijswijk, Bernal and Geschke) (50)
3 ArchieBoy 620 (Van Aert, Bernal and Van Garderen, but Boasson Hagen) (35)
4 Carlo_Algatrensig 434 (25)
5 Ripley 410 (15)
6 Tobydawq 386 (10)
7 Josedin 384 (5)
8 Vladimir 378 (3)
9 Mellow_Velo 362 (2)
10 Fauniera 340 (1)
11 Otoxiep87 290
12 Leadbelly 277
13 BluesInTheBottle 266
14 Del1962 261
14 JustSomeGuy 261
14 Salvarani 261
17 Triley36 240
18 Bminchow 218
19 Squire 207
20 Yellow_Knight 138
21 BlackBandit222 104
22 TotalPackage 90
23 Scrool07 20
24 Armchair_Cyclist -21
25 Comodoro -25
26 LosBrolin -39
26 Rote_Laterne -39
28 Shalgo -103
29 DJSprtsch -126
30 BicycleBoy -135
30 Googolplex -135
32 AmisVelo -138
33 RattaKuningas -240
34 Kazistuta -252
35 Tigerion -310
36 BikeRacer33 -316
37 LightBing -486
38 Koronin -506
Collective_Wisdom -99

Green points
You'll have noticed that the top ten each day have a bracketed number, these are their points towards our minor classification, the green points jersey. These get totalled every day. No-one who scored yesterday in this was in today's top ten (the Sagan/Colbrelli/Ewan correction factor), so when the scores for the two days are totalled, we have a lot of drawn placings.

1 Laarsland 80
2 Koronin, RattaKuningas 65
4 Search 50
5 ArchieBoy, LightBing 35
7 Carlo_Algatrensig, Googolplex 25
9 BicycleBoy, Ripley 15
11 DJSprtsch, Tobydawq 10
13 Josedin, Tigerion 5
15 Armchair_Cyclist, Vladimir 3
17 Mellow_Velo, TotalPackage 2
19 BikeRacer33, Fauniera 1
The rest have yet to score.

Standings
At least no-one's score is totally dependent on 20 per rider for being outside the top 50 any more. Don't expect these to be much more of a prediction of the final outcome than the current GC rankings are.
There again, Archie won the Giro game, and there he is again, on the back of a 20 place jump. Even that is outdone by Carlo and Search (24 and 28 places respectively)
1 ArchieBoy 873
2 Otoxiep87 850
3 Laarsland 842
4 Search 784
5 TotalPackage 660
6 Josedin 654
7 RattaKuningas 640
8 Carlo_Algatrensig 594
9 Scrool07 580
10 Ripley 574
11 Googolplex 565
12 BicycleBoy 555
13 Armchair_Cyclist 553
14 Tobydawq 550
15 Vladimir 538
16 Comodoro 535
17 Mellow_Velo 532
18 LosBrolin 521
18 Rote_Laterne 521
20 Fauniera 500
21 BlackBandit222 494
22 DJSprtsch 472
23 Shalgo 461
24 Triley36 447
25 Leadbelly 442
26 JustSomeGuy 432
27 BluesInTheBottle 431
28 AmisVelo 422
29 Del1962 421
29 Salvarani 421
31 Bminchow 382
32 Koronin 374
33 Squire 367
34 LightBing 360
35 Kazistuta 308
36 Yellow_Knight 307
37 Tigerion 280
38 BikeRacer33 253
Collective_Wisdom 461

I am out tomorrow evening: the update will be late.

PS I see there has been a late adjustment on the results, with Sunweb now being given 4th and Katusha 5th. It only makes a difference of 3 pts give or take for 9 riders, three of whom aren't selected and none of whom are very popular. I will hope that any differences it would have made to the Daily points would not be relevant to the final Green Jersey classification, rather than re-calculate everything. Similarly, I note that Julien Simon was 16th in the results table I used for the stage one calculations, but now he is shown as 29th in yesterday's results: that correction was incorporated in his drop of points today. These things will hopefully all be resolved by Paris.
 
However, given how close the top of the daily table was, it turns out that the three extra points given to Rick Zabel were quite significant. Once those are taken away, Search pips Laarsland to the day's win (by just 1 point), and a 30 point switcharound in the Green points is significant. Vladimir has 2 of the Sunweb riders (Kamna and Kelderman), and so catches up with Josedin, so they get 4 green points each.

New Green standings:
1 Search 80
2 Koronin, RattaKuningas 65
4 Laarsland 50
5 ArchieBoy, LightBing 35
7 Carlo_Algatrensig, Googolplex 25
9 BicycleBoy, Ripley 15
11 DJSprtsch, Tobydawq 10
13 Tigerion 5
14 Josedin, Vladimir 4
16 Armchair_Cyclist 3
17 Mellow_Velo, TotalPackage 2
19 BikeRacer33, Fauniera 1


The rest have yet to score.
 
Stage 3 Champagne version of the Ardennes

Those who can't cope with a series of short sharp hills fall away, and those who can move up the GC to replace them. We need to wait until stage 6 removes those who can't deal with longer climbs before the table takes on a really meaningful shape.

MATTHEWS Michael 268pts for LightBing
SAGAN Peter 104 for Bicycle Boy and Googolplex
KELDERMAN Wilco 81 for Carlo Algatrensig, Triley36 and Vladimir
MAS NICOLAU Enric 80 8 teams
COLBRELLI Sonny 75 for Koronin and Ratta Kuningas
URAN URAN Rigoberto 63 14
TRENTIN Matteo 55 1
VAN GARDEREN Tejay 51 3
GAUDU David 49 1
ROCHE Nicolas 46 3
YATES Adam 45 4
...
DOWSETT Alex -46 2
ZAKARIN Ilnur -50 1
KÄMNA Lennard -54 9
ZABEL Rick -77 7
MARTIN Tony -300 1

On the day
1 LightBing 305 (80 Green points)
2 Carlo_Algatrensig 256 (50)
3 Yellow_Knight 187 (35)
4 JustSomeGuy 167 (25)
5 BicycleBoy 166 (15)
6 Koronin 150 (10)
7 Triley36 137 (5)
8 DJSprtsch 134 (3)
9 BikeRacer33, Del1962 121 (1.5 each)
11 Squire 117
12 ArchieBoy 109
13 Bminchow 108
14 Shalgo 106
15 Kazistuta 105
16 Salvarani 101
17 Fauniera 96
18 BlackBandit222 93
19 RattaKuningas 80
20 Ripley 78
21 Tobydawq 74
22 Googolplex 59
23 AmisVelo 53
24 Vladimir 45
25 Armchair_Cyclist 44
26 BluesInTheBottle 39
27 LosBrolin 37
28 Rote_Laterne 34
29 Scrool07 30
30 Leadbelly 24
31 Search 17
32 Mellow_Velo -4
33 Josedin -19
34 Tigerion -26
35 Laarsland -42
36 Comodoro -69
37 TotalPackage -73
38 Otoxiep87 -190
Collective_Wisdom 91


Green points

Yellow Knight and Just Some Guy come from no score to the top 10; LightBing has a 1st and a 3rd to secure top spot, and Koronin, Carlo and Bicycle Boy all have a second top ten placing in today's stage.

1 LightBing 115
2 Search 80
3 Carlo_Algatrensig, Koronin 75
5 RattaKuningas 65
6 Laarsland 50
7 ArchieBoy, Yellow_Knight 35
9 BicycleBoy 30
10 Googolplex, JustSomeGuy 25

Standings

Archie retains his lead, through unique pick Van Aert, but there are some teams with early momentum behind him: Carlo is up 6 places in 2nd, and BicycleBoy up 7 to 5th, but those are as nothing to LightBing's 27 place move to 7th.

1 ArchieBoy 982
2 Carlo_Algatrensig 850
3 Search 801
4 Laarsland 797
5 BicycleBoy 721
6 RattaKuningas 720
7 LightBing 665
8 Otoxiep87 660
9 Ripley 652
10 Josedin 635
11 Googolplex 624
11 Tobydawq 624
13 Scrool07 610
14 DJSprtsch 606
15 JustSomeGuy 599
16 Armchair_Cyclist 597
17 Fauniera 596
18 Vladimir 589
19 BlackBandit222 587
19 TotalPackage 587
21 Triley36 584
22 Shalgo 567
23 LosBrolin 558
24 Rote_Laterne 555
25 Del1962 542
26 Mellow_Velo 528
27 Koronin 524
28 Salvarani 522
29 Yellow_Knight 494
30 Bminchow 490
31 Squire 484
32 AmisVelo 475
33 BluesInTheBottle 470
34 Comodoro 466
34 Leadbelly 466
36 Kazistuta 413
37 BikeRacer33 374
38 Tigerion 254
Collective_Wisdom 552

Tomorrow should see far less change in the GC, and the sprinters we have chosen, or left unchosen, will probably affect the green points more than the main event.

Now I'm just hoping that ASO don't nullify that 5 second gap between Bernal and Thomas and render all my numbers incorrect.
 
Re:

Kazistuta said:
I'm sorry for maybe being totally ignorant, but why isn't there a standing for the points gathered (guaranteed points) so far?
As in the Giro game, the "guaranteed points" has been replaced as the secondary classification by the "Green points" (daily position of your team). As I did for the Italian race, I would envisage putting it up in the rest day/end of race numbers.
But if you really want it:
1 LightBing 101
2 Googolplex 80
3 BicycleBoy 79
4 Otoxiep87 75
4 RattaKuningas 75
6 Koronin 63
7 TotalPackage 58
8 Comodoro 56
9 LosBrolin 55
9 Rote_Laterne 55
9 Scrool07 55
12 Armchair_Cyclist 52
13 DJSprtsch 49
13 Shalgo 49
15 AmisVelo 47
16 Kazistuta 43
17 Tigerion 38
18 BikeRacer33 37
19 ArchieBoy 36
20 Laarsland 35
21 Search 33
22 BlackBandit222 32
23 Josedin 30
24 Carlo_Algatrensig 28
25 Tobydawq 26
26 Ripley 24
26 Vladimir 24
28 Fauniera 20
29 Leadbelly 18
29 Triley36 18
31 Mellow_Velo 17
32 Squire 16
33 BluesInTheBottle 15
34 Del1962 14
34 JustSomeGuy 14
34 Salvarani 14
37 Bminchow 12
38 Yellow_Knight 10
Collective_Wisdom 49


MATTHEWS Michael 66pts 1 team
SAGAN Peter 65 2
EWAN Caleb 35 16
VAN AERT Wout 22 1
COLBRELLI Sonny 20 2
KRUIJSWIJK Steven 20 5
MARTIN Tony 20 1
TRENTIN Matteo 15 1
BERNAL GOMEZ Egan Arley 12 28
THOMAS Geraint 12 1
MAS NICOLAU Enric 8 8
KELDERMAN Wilco 6 3
KÄMNA Lennard 6 9
DOWSETT Alex 3 2
ZAKARIN Ilnur 3 1
ZABEL Rick 3 7
URAN URAN Rigoberto 2 14
VAN GARDEREN Tejay 2 3
GESCHKE Simon 1 1
ROSSKOPF Joey 1 1

Don't forget that the spreadsheet is available and updated every day if you want to examine any game stats that I don't put in the daily summary. The above tables are found by sorting by column B on the 'Results' tab, and by column BA on the 'Rider scores' tab.
 
Stage 4 One for the sprinters

Far fewer points changes, and the biggest ones, for 1st and 2nd on the day, don't affect our riders:

EWAN Caleb 38 16
SAGAN Peter 25 2
GROENEWEGEN Dylan 15 1
KREUZIGER Roman 8 7
GAUDU David 6 1
SOLER GIMENEZ Marc 5 6
PORTE Richie 5 22
...
KELDERMAN Wilco -5 3
DE MARCHI Alessandro -6 1
QUINTANA ROJAS Nairo Alexander -7 9
COLBRELLI Sonny -10 2
MATTHEWS Michael -13 1
REICHENBACH Sébastien -27 2


1 TotalPackage 62 (Ewan, Groenewegen, Felline, Soler) (80 green points)
2 Shalgo 51 (Ewan, Kreuziger, Porte) (50)
3 Comodoro 48 (Ewan, Porte, Soler) (35)
4 Otoxiep87 47 (25)
5 Tigerion 45 (15)
6 LosBrolin 43 (10)
7 Scrool07 41 (5)
8 Kazistuta 40 (3)
9 DJSprtsch, RattaKuningas, Rote_Laterne 38 (1 each)
12 AmisVelo 36
13 Googolplex 29
14 BicycleBoy 25
15 Armchair_Cyclist 24
16 Koronin, LightBing 22
18 BikeRacer33 19
19 Ripley, Tobydawq 13
21 BluesInTheBottle 10
21 Triley36 10
23 Fauniera 8
24 ArchieBoy, Mellow_Velo, Yellow_Knight 7
27 Bminchow 6
28 BlackBandit222, Leadbelly 5
30 Josedin, Laarsland 4
32 Salvarani, Search 2
34 Carlo_Algatrensig -1
35 Del1962, JustSomeGuy, Squire -2
38 Vladimir -12
Collective_Wisdom 43

Green points
Total Package already had a couple of points, so the day's win brings 2nd place. Shalgo and Comodoro get the top ten with their forst points: 6 teams are still waiting for theirs. At this stage it is odd to score, and yet drop in the table, but Ratta Kuningas manages it.

1 LightBing 115
2 TotalPackage 82
3 Search 80
4 Carlo_Algatrensig 75
4 Koronin 75
6 RattaKuningas 66
7 Laarsland 50
7 Shalgo 50
9 ArchieBoy 35
9 Comodoro 35
9 Yellow_Knight 35


Guaranteed points
I had envisaged the Green points replacing this as the secondary classification, and once the GC rankings take on something resembling its final shape, this should become fairly redundant, but I have been asked for it on both sites:
1 LightBing 138
2 Otoxiep87, RattaKuningas 110
4 TotalPackage 108
5 Googolplex 105
6 BicycleBoy 104
7 Koronin 98
8 Comodoro 91
9 LosBrolin, Rote_Laterne, Scrool07 90
12 Armchair_Cyclist 87
13 DJSprtsch, Shalgo 84
15 AmisVelo 82
16 Kazistuta 78
17 Tigerion 73
18 BikeRacer33 72
19 ArchieBoy 36
20 Laarsland 35
21 Search 33
22 BlackBandit222 32
23 Josedin 30
24 Carlo_Algatrensig 28
25 Tobydawq 26
26 Ripley, Vladimir 24
28 Fauniera 20
29 Leadbelly, Triley36 18
31 Mellow_Velo 17
32 Squire 16
33 BluesInTheBottle 15
34 Del1962, JustSomeGuy, Salvarani 14
37 Bminchow 12
38 Yellow_Knight 10
Collective_Wisdom 84


Standings

Small scores mean fewer changes in the rankings: the top 4 are unchanged, Ratta Kuningas and Otoxiep make minor steps forward among the top ten, Googolplex shows up in the top 10, and Total Package gets a 7 position leap forward, the best of the day, even if undramatic compared to the last couple of days.

1 ArchieBoy 989
2 Carlo_Algatrensig 849
3 Search 803
4 Laarsland 801
5 RattaKuningas 758
6 BicycleBoy 746
7 Otoxiep87 707
8 LightBing 687
9 Ripley 665
10 Googolplex 653
11 Scrool07 651
12 TotalPackage 649
13 DJSprtsch 644
14 Josedin 639
15 Tobydawq 637
16 Armchair_Cyclist 621
17 Shalgo 618
18 Fauniera 604
19 LosBrolin 601
20 JustSomeGuy 597
21 Triley36 594
22 Rote_Laterne 593
23 BlackBandit222 592
24 Vladimir 577
25 Koronin 546
26 Del1962 540
27 Mellow_Velo 535
28 Salvarani 524
29 Comodoro 514
30 AmisVelo 511
31 Yellow_Knight 501
32 Bminchow 496
33 Squire 482
34 BluesInTheBottle 480
35 Leadbelly 471
36 Kazistuta 453
37 BikeRacer33 393
38 Tigerion 299
Collective_Wisdom 595
 
Stage 5 Hilly ride through Alsace, main sprinters dropped

Sagan got a substantial (but probably very temporary) rise through the GC positions today, which was worth more points than the stage win. Few other substantial changes, as those who dropped away today were, for the most part, already outside the top 50 anyway.

SAGAN Peter 178pts 2 teams
TRENTIN Matteo 56 1
VAN AERT Wout 50 1
MATTHEWS Michael 20 1
COLBRELLI Sonny 19 2
...
URAN URAN Rigoberto -10 14
VAN GARDEREN Tejay -10 3
GAUDU David -12 1
KELDERMAN Wilco -15 3

On the day
1 Googolplex 179 (Sagan and Felline (1)) (80 Green pts)
2 BicycleBoy 168 (Sagan but Uran) (50)
3 BlackBandit222 46 (Trentin but Van Garderen) (35)
4 ArchieBoy 43 (Van Aert and Boasson Hagen but Van Garderen and Soler) (25)
5 Koronin 18 (15)
6 RattaKuningas 17 (10)
7 LightBing 14 (5)
8 Josedin 3 (3)
9 Search 2 (2)
10 Laarsland, Tobydawq 1 (0.5 each)
12 Otoxiep87, Ripley 0
14 Bminchow, Comodoro, Kazistuta, Leadbelly, Tigerion, TotalPackage -1
20 AmisVelo -2
21 BluesInTheBottle, Scrool07 -3
23 Mellow_Velo, Salvarani, Yellow_Knight -8
26 LosBrolin, Rote_Laterne, Squire -10
29 Armchair_Cyclist, Del1962, Shalgo -11
32 BikeRacer33, Triley36 -13
34 Vladimir -15
35 DJSprtsch, JustSomeGuy -16
37 Fauniera -19
38 Carlo_Algatrensig -24
Collective_Wisdom -11

Green points

Googolplex and Bicycle Boy are new in the top ten.

1 LightBing 120
2 Googolplex 105
3 Koronin 90
4 Search 82
4 TotalPackage 82
6 BicycleBoy 80
7 RattaKuningas 76
8 Carlo_Algatrensig 75
9 ArchieBoy 60
10 Laarsland 50.5


Guaranteed points

1 Googolplex 185
2 BicycleBoy 184
3 LightBing 143
4 RattaKuningas 135
5 Koronin 123
6 Otoxiep87 110
7 TotalPackage 108
8 Comodoro 91
9 LosBrolin, Rote_Laterne, Scrool07 90


Standings

Given the margin by which he was the biggest scorer of the day, it is no surprise that Sagan is behind the two most significant jumps in position: BicycleBoy and Googolplex getting onto the podium. But not the biggest jump: BlackBandit has moved up 9.

1 ArchieBoy 1032
2 BicycleBoy 914
3 Googolplex 832
4 Carlo_Algatrensig 825
5 Search 805
6 Laarsland 802
7 RattaKuningas 775
8 Otoxiep87 707
9 LightBing 701
10 Ripley 665
11 Scrool07 648
11 TotalPackage 648
13 Josedin 642
14 BlackBandit222 638
14 Tobydawq 638
16 DJSprtsch 628
17 Armchair_Cyclist 610
18 Shalgo 607
19 LosBrolin 591
20 Fauniera 585
21 Rote_Laterne 583
22 JustSomeGuy 581
22 Triley36 581
24 Koronin 564
25 Vladimir 562
26 Del1962 529
27 Mellow_Velo 527
28 Salvarani 516
29 Comodoro 513
30 AmisVelo 509
31 Bminchow 495
32 Yellow_Knight 493
33 BluesInTheBottle 477
34 Squire 472
35 Leadbelly 470
36 Kazistuta 452
37 BikeRacer33 380
38 Tigerion 298
Collective_Wisdom 584

Puncheurs have a huge influence on the scores at the moment: I suspect that will not be the case after tomorrow.
 
Stage 6 Planche des Belles Filles, and then a bit

A few stage points, but mainly GC gains by passing puncheurs as they, for the most part, drop dramatically.

THOMAS Geraint 88pts for Ripley
BUCHMANN Emanuel 82 for Josedin
QUINTANA ROJAS Nairo Alexander 62 9 teams
LANDA MEANA Mikel 57 7
URAN URAN Rigoberto 50 14
YATES Adam 47 4
PORTE Richie 39 22
BARGUIL Warren 35 10
ARU Fabio 31 22
REICHENBACH Sébastien 25 2
...
BOASSON HAGEN Edvald -25 1
BILBAO LOPEZ DE ARMENTIA Pello -35 1
ROCHE Nicolas -52 3
VAN GARDEREN Tejay -57 3
TRENTIN Matteo -68 1
COLBRELLI Sonny -74 2
MAS NICOLAU Enric -80 8
KELDERMAN Wilco -120 3
SAGAN Peter -160 2
KRUIJSWIJK Steven -180 5
MATTHEWS Michael -270 1
VAN AERT Wout -419 1

On the day
1 Del1962 182 (Quintana, Uran, Porte, Aru) (80 Green points)
2 Mellow_Velo 177 (Landa, Uran, Porte, Aru) (50)
3 Ripley 172 (Thomas, Barguil, Kreuziger, Porte) (35)
4 AmisVelo 152 (25)
5 Salvarani 142 (12.5)
5 Tigerion 142(12.5)
7 Fauniera 132 (5)
8 Armchair_Cyclist 123 (3)
9 Leadbelly 120 (2)
10 BluesInTheBottle 118 (0.5)
10 LosBrolin 118 (0.5)
12 Rote_Laterne 114
13 Shalgo 111
14 Bminchow 107
15 Squire 101
16 JustSomeGuy 99
17 Yellow_Knight 76
18 Comodoro 69
19 BikeRacer33 68
20 Kazistuta 64
21 Tobydawq 34
22 DJSprtsch 28
23 Triley36 17
24 Josedin 1
25 Otoxiep87 -13
26 Vladimir -24
27 Scrool07 -48
28 BlackBandit222 -55
29 Search -88
30 BicycleBoy -110
31 Koronin -115
32 Laarsland -116
33 Carlo_Algatrensig -121
34 Googolplex -127
35 TotalPackage -151
36 RattaKuningas -184
37 LightBing -263
38 ArchieBoy -500
Collective_Wisdom 154

Green points

Del is the only one of this group to have scored today.

1 LightBing 120
2 Googolplex 105
3 Koronin 90
4 Search 82
4 TotalPackage 82
6 Del1962 81.5
7 BicycleBoy 80
8 RattaKuningas 76
9 Carlo_Algatrensig 75
10 ArchieBoy 60

Guaranteed points

1 Googolplex 185
2 BicycleBoy 184
3 LightBing 148
4 RattaKuningas 135
5 Koronin 123
6 Otoxiep87 110
7 TotalPackage 108
8 Scrool07 95
9 Comodoro 91
10 LosBrolin 90
10 Rote_Laterne 90

Standings

Huge changes, including ne sall of more than 30 places. 5 of the top ten weren't in that group yesterday, and those new entries to the top ten have an average jump of more than 12 places. Del's is the biggest (19 place) move, but the most significant move is of our first-time player from PCM Daily, and new leader, Ripley, who has Geraint Thomas as a unique pick and therefore might, on today's evidence, take some shifting.

1 Ripley 837
2 BicycleBoy 804
3 Armchair_Cyclist 733
4 Shalgo 718
5 Fauniera 717
5 Search 717
7 Del1962 711
8 LosBrolin 709
9 Googolplex 705
10 Carlo_Algatrensig 704
10 Mellow_Velo 704
12 Rote_Laterne 697
13 Otoxiep87 694
14 Laarsland 686
15 JustSomeGuy 680
16 Tobydawq 672
17 AmisVelo 661
18 Salvarani 658
19 DJSprtsch 656
20 Josedin 643
21 Bminchow 602
22 Scrool07 600
23 Triley36 598
24 BluesInTheBottle 595
25 RattaKuningas 591
26 Leadbelly 590
27 BlackBandit222 583
28 Comodoro 582
29 Squire 573
30 Yellow_Knight 569
31 Vladimir 538
32 ArchieBoy 532
33 Kazistuta 516
34 TotalPackage 497
35 Koronin 449
36 BikeRacer33 448
37 Tigerion 440
38 LightBing 438
Collective_Wisdom 738
 
bminchow said:
Thanks for the stage 6 update. But i didn't see Bernal in the list of top ten point getters. I'm pretty sure he was up there right?
Oh I see. It's points gained (including overall). I guess I'll never figure this out. Bilbao!
 
Stage 7 Slow motion chase of a half hearted break

Stage points, and a few Point classification changes dominate, only very minor GC projection changes.

GROENEWEGEN Dylan 83 1
EWAN Caleb 64 16
COLBRELLI Sonny 50 2
SAGAN Peter 35 2
CHEREL Mikael 4 1
FELLINE Fabio 3 7
BOASSON HAGEN Edvald 3 1
BERNARD Julien 2 2
OFFREDO Yoann 1 1
...
VAN AERT Wout -1 1
REICHENBACH Sébastien -4 2
TRENTIN Matteo -5 1
SOLER GIMENEZ Marc -6 6
VAN GARDEREN Tejay -6 3
MATTHEWS Michael -23 1

Points are so low that I have included all the selected riders who have gained or lost today.

On the day
1 TotalPackage 144 (Groenewegen, Ewan, Felline but Soler) (80)
2 Koronin 114 (Ewan and Colbrelli)
3 RattaKuningas 108 (Ewan and Colbrelli, but Soler) (35)
4 AmisVelo 68 (25)
5 Kazistuta, Otoxiep87 67 (12.5 each)
7 Shalgo 66(5)
8 DJSprtsch, LosBrolin, Rote_Laterne, Tigerion 64 (1.5 each)
12 Armchair_Cyclist 60
13 Comodoro, Scrool07 58
15 BikeRacer33 56
16 LightBing 44
17 Googolplex 38
18 BicycleBoy 35
19 Carlo_Algatrensig, Laarsland 3
21 Triley36 1
22 Bminchow, Del1962, Fauniera, Josedin, JustSomeGuy, Leadbelly, Mellow_Velo, Ripley, Salvarani, Search, Squire, Tobydawq, Vladimir, Yellow_Knight 0
36 BluesInTheBottle -6
37 ArchieBoy -10
38 BlackBandit222 -11
Collective_Wisdom 64

Green points

The population of the top ten is unchanged. Other than the toppled leader, LightBing, the top four is made up of the day's top three.

1 TotalPackage 162
2 Koronin 140
3 LightBing 120
4 RattaKuningas 111
5 Googolplex 105
6 Search 82
7 Del1962 81.5
8 BicycleBoy 80
9 Carlo_Algatrensig 75
10 ArchieBoy 60


Guaranteed points

First and second on the day yields 130 guaranteed points, and brings TP from 7th to top.

1 TotalPackage 238
2 Googolplex 220
3 BicycleBoy 219
4 RattaKuningas 210
5 LightBing 200
6 Koronin 198
7 Otoxiep87 160
8 Scrool07 145
9 Comodoro 141
10 LosBrolin 140
10 Rote_Laterne 140


Standings

Peter Sagan's third place is enough to bring Bicycle Boy into the lead, while those in 3rd and 4th close the gap to the leaders. Otoxiep, Rote Laterne, Amis Velo and DJSprtsch are new entries in the top ten, with jumps of 6 to 9 places, but Total Package has gone up by 11: more volatility than I would have expected on such a neutral stage, and testament to how closely bunched most of us still are.

1 BicycleBoy 839
2 Ripley 837
3 Armchair_Cyclist 793
4 Shalgo 784
5 LosBrolin 773
6 Otoxiep87 761
6 Rote_Laterne 761
8 Googolplex 743
9 AmisVelo 729
10 DJSprtsch 720
11 Fauniera 717
11 Search 717
13 Del1962 711
14 Carlo_Algatrensig 707
15 Mellow_Velo 704
16 RattaKuningas 699
17 Laarsland 689
18 JustSomeGuy 680
19 Tobydawq 672
20 Salvarani 658
20 Scrool07 658
22 Josedin 643
23 TotalPackage 641
24 Comodoro 640
25 Bminchow 602
26 Triley36 599
27 Leadbelly 590
28 BluesInTheBottle 589
29 Kazistuta 583
30 Squire 573
31 BlackBandit222 572
32 Yellow_Knight 569
33 Koronin 563
34 Vladimir 538
35 ArchieBoy 522
36 BikeRacer33 504
36 Tigerion 504
38 LightBing 482
Collective_Wisdom 802
 
bminchow said:
bminchow said:
Thanks for the stage 6 update. But i didn't see Bernal in the list of top ten point getters. I'm pretty sure he was up there right?
Oh I see. It's points gained (including overall). I guess I'll never figure this out. Bilbao!
Bernal has been in the same position on GC since stage 3, so doesn't appear in the "how much has their score changed today" table, as his contribution to your points has been unchanged on 272 since then.
The top 15 scorers of projected (including guaranteed) points are:

CICCONE Giulio 740pts 0 teams
ALAPHILIPPE Julian 609 0
TEUNS Dylan 485 0
BENNETT George 340 0
THOMAS Geraint 330 1
SAGAN Peter 305 2
BERNAL GOMEZ Egan Arley 272 28
PINOT Thibaut 246 0
KRUIJSWIJK Steven 220 5
WOODS Michael 182 0
MEURISSE Xandro 173 0
TEUNISSEN Mike 172 0
URAN URAN Rigoberto 162 14
EWAN Caleb 155 16
VIVIANI Elia 155 0
and a few other decent scorers who were selected:
COLBRELLI Sonny 140 2
BUCHMANN Emanuel 133 1
MAS NICOLAU Enric 128 8
MATTHEWS Michael 120 1
GROENEWEGEN Dylan 118 1
YATES Adam 110 4
VAN AERT Wout 102 1
QUINTANA ROJAS Nairo Alexander 99 9
LANDA MEANA Mikel 89 7
TRENTIN Matteo 80 1


And among top teams, the big scorers are:
1 BicycleBoy 839 (Sagan, Bernal, Uran)
2 Ripley 837 (Thomas, Bernal)
3 Armchair_Cyclist 793 (Bernal, Uran, Ewan)
4 Shalgo 784 (Bernal, Uran, Ewan)
5 LosBrolin 773 (Bernal, Uran, Ewan)
6 Otoxiep87 761 (Bernal, Ewan, Mas)
6 Rote_Laterne 761 (Bernal, Uran, Ewan)
8 Googolplex 743 (Sagan, Bernal)
9 AmisVelo 729 (Bernal, Ewan, Quintana)
10 DJSprtsch 720 (Bernal, Uran, Quintana)

and everything is in the spreadsheet
 
This is Saturday's stage: CN forum was doing its far too frequent refusal to open when I tried to post it last night, and I had forgotten that it was owing this morning.

Stage 8 Hilly transfer to St Etienne

Apart from stage and KoM rankings, there were quite a few points for moving up as Teuns and Woods slipped down.

DE GENDT Thomas 125 points for Koronin
MATTHEWS Michael 63 folr LightBing
URAN URAN Rigoberto 40 14 teams
BUCHMANN Emanuel 30 for Josedin
KRUIJSWIJK Steven 30 5
TRENTIN Matteo 27 1
SAGAN Peter 26 2
MAS NICOLAU Enric 20 8
YATES Adam 20 4
...
EWAN Caleb -10 16
VAN AERT Wout -10 1
COLBRELLI Sonny -15 2
CHEREL Mikael -16 1
VAN GARDEREN Tejay -37 3

Three teams become the first to register a non-finisher (TJVG): they lose the 37 GC points he was in line for by virtue of the 36th place spot he held on GC, but retain the 2 points he got on stage 2.

On the day

Koronin not only had De Gendt as a unique pick, she also had De Marchi in back-up

1 Koronin 129 (De Gendt and Mas, but Ewan and Colbrelli) (80 green points)
2 Squire 112 (Uran and Mas, and 4 others with some gains today) (50)
3 Yellow_Knight 96 (Uran and Mas, and 3 others with some gains today) (35)
4 JustSomeGuy 81 (25)
5 Del1962 79 (15)
6 Mellow_Velo 75 (10)
7 Fauniera 71 (5)
8 Shalgo 70 (3)
9 LightBing 69 (2)
10 BicycleBoy, LosBrolin 68 (0.5 each)
12 Armchair_Cyclist 63
13 Carlo_Algatrensig, Salvarani 60
15 Leadbelly 58
16 Tobydawq 55
17 Scrool07 54
18 Josedin 52
19 DJSprtsch 51
20 Search 50
21 BluesInTheBottle 45
21 Bminchow 45
23 Rote_Laterne 44
24 Googolplex 41
25 Triley36 40
26 Tigerion 37
27 Laarsland 36
28 Kazistuta 34
29 TotalPackage 28
30 Ripley 27
31 Comodoro, Otoxiep87 25
33 Vladimir 24
34 RattaKuningas 23
35 BlackBandit222 18
36 AmisVelo 13
37 BikeRacer33 -3
38 ArchieBoy -36
Collective_Wisdom 59

Green points

Koronin has stated that this classification is her goal for the game, and has now gained top spot. Del1962 is moving in the right direction, and Yellow Knight has a 7 place jump to enter the top ten.

1 Koronin 220
2 TotalPackage 162
3 LightBing 122
4 RattaKuningas 111
5 Googolplex 105
6 Del1962 96.5
7 Search 82
8 BicycleBoy 80.5
9 Carlo_Algatrensig 75
10 Yellow_Knight 70

Guaranteed points

1 Koronin 278
2 TotalPackage 238
3 Googolplex 237
4 BicycleBoy 236
5 LightBing 225
6 RattaKuningas 210
7 Otoxiep87 162
8 Scrool07 145
9 Comodoro 143
10 LosBrolin 142
10 Rote_Laterne 142

Standings

You have to look down to 7th place before you will find any team that has made progress, and there Del, immediately followed by Fauniera, sit as new teams in the top ten. Yellow Knight and Squire match Del's 6 place rise, but Koronin outdoes them, jumping 10 spots.

1 BicycleBoy 907
2 Ripley 864
3 Armchair_Cyclist 856
4 Shalgo 854
5 LosBrolin 841
6 Rote_Laterne 805
7 Del1962 790
8 Fauniera 788
9 Otoxiep87 786
10 Googolplex 784
11 Mellow_Velo 779
12 DJSprtsch 771
13 Carlo_Algatrensig 767
13 Search 767
15 JustSomeGuy 761
16 AmisVelo 742
17 Tobydawq 727
18 Laarsland 725
19 RattaKuningas 722
20 Salvarani 718
21 Scrool07 712
22 Josedin 695
23 Koronin 692
24 Squire 685
25 TotalPackage 669
26 Comodoro 665
26 Yellow_Knight 665
28 Leadbelly 648
29 Bminchow 647
30 Triley36 639
31 BluesInTheBottle 634
32 Kazistuta 617
33 BlackBandit222 590
34 Vladimir 562
35 LightBing 551
36 Tigerion 541
37 BikeRacer33 501
38 ArchieBoy 486
Collective_Wisdom 861
 
Stage 9 Unchased breakaway through the Massif Central

A few of us had those who gained points in the break, a few of us had riders overtaken by those who were in the break, one of us had an unfortunate non-finisher, and a lot of us had nothing at all.

ROCHE Nicolas 35 DJSprtsch, JSG and LightBing
SOLER GIMENEZ Marc 33 6 teams
GARCIA CORTINA Ivan 3 Laarsland
...
DE PLUS Laurens -1 3
CHEREL Mikael -2 1
EWAN Caleb -2 16
REICHENBACH Sébastien -4 2
HENAO MONTOYA Sergio Luis -5 8
BERNARD Julien -6 2
SAGAN Peter -9 2
TRENTIN Matteo -9 1
MATTHEWS Michael -10 1
DE MARCHI Alessandro -23 1


On the day

1 JustSomeGuy 35 (80 green points)
2 BluesInTheBottle, DJSprtsch 32 (42.5 each)
4 RattaKuningas, Scrool07 31 (20 each)
6 ArchieBoy 28 (10)
7 Comodoro, TotalPackage 26 (4 each)
9 LightBing 23 (2)
10 Laarsland 3 (1)
11 The other 13 teams 0
24 Kazistuta, Otoxiep87, Rote_Laterne, Tigerion -2
28 AmisVelo -4
29 Leadbelly, Squire -5
31 Armchair_Cyclist -6
32 LosBrolin -7
33 BicycleBoy -9
34 BlackBandit222 -10
35 BikeRacer33 -12
36 Shalgo -13
37 Googolplex -14
38 Koronin -25
Collective_Wisdom -2


Green points

Ratta (is that a forename?) moves onto the podium, but JSG, coming from way down the table, nearly prevented him from doing so.

1 Koronin 220
2 TotalPackage 166
3 RattaKuningas 131
4 JustSomeGuy 130
5 LightBing 124
6 Googolplex 105
7 Del1962 96.5
8 Search 82
9 BicycleBoy 80.5
10 Carlo_Algatrensig 75


Guaranteed points

The top 6 here have points from expensive sprinters/puncheurs (Sagan, Groenewegen, Colbrelli, Matthews), so although they have a good margin over the rest of the field here, they are missing out on GC points, and have an average position of about 19th in the main ranking.

1 Koronin 278
2 TotalPackage 243
3 Googolplex 237
4 BicycleBoy 236
5 LightBing 235
6 RattaKuningas 215
7 Otoxiep87 162
8 Scrool07 150
9 Comodoro 148
10 DJSprtsch 146

Standings

The exception to the low ranking of the teams with high guaranteed scores is found at the top of the table. Bicycle Boy retains his place, as do the rest of yesterday's top six. On a day of low scores, DJSprtsch and Just Some Guy make Roche-powered jumps of 6 and 7 places respectively into the top ten.

1 BicycleBoy 898
2 Ripley 864
3 Armchair_Cyclist 850
4 Shalgo 841
5 LosBrolin 834
6 DJSprtsch 803
6 Rote_Laterne 803
8 JustSomeGuy 796
9 Del1962 790
10 Fauniera 788
11 Otoxiep87 784
12 Mellow_Velo 779
13 Googolplex 770
14 Carlo_Algatrensig 767
14 Search 767
16 RattaKuningas 753
17 Scrool07 743
18 AmisVelo 738
19 Laarsland 728
20 Tobydawq 727
21 Salvarani 718
22 Josedin 695
22 TotalPackage 695
24 Comodoro 691
25 Squire 680
26 Koronin 667
27 BluesInTheBottle 666
28 Yellow_Knight 665
29 Bminchow 647
30 Leadbelly 643
31 Triley36 639
32 Kazistuta 615
33 BlackBandit222 580
34 LightBing 574
35 Vladimir 562
36 Tigerion 539
37 ArchieBoy 514
38 BikeRacer33 489
Collective_Wisdom 859
 
Yes, I have a stage win and have the green jersey for the time being!!!! :D 1 stage win in the Giro and now a Tour stage win. My main game team my be terrible, but I'm finally figuring out how to get stage wins in the GT games!

Unfortunately one of my breakaway specialists I was counting on abandoned today. :sad:
 
Stage 10 Echelons

Stage points were fairly insignificant in the game compared with the issue of which group a rider was in.

THOMAS Geraint 160 for Ripley
BUCHMANN Emanuel 130 for Josedin
BERNAL GOMEZ Egan Arley 120 28 teams
MAS NICOLAU Enric 120 8
YATES Adam 100 4
KRUIJSWIJK Steven 90 5
QUINTANA ROJAS Nairo Alexander 90 9
VAN AERT Wout 80 1
KONRAD Patrick 58 1
EWAN Caleb 37 16
MATTHEWS Michael 32 1
BARGUIL Warren 27 10
KREUZIGER Roman 23 7
SAGAN Peter 22 2
...
PORTE Richie -10 22
ROCHE Nicolas -10 3
GAUDU David -25 1
LANDA MEANA Mikel -33 7
URAN URAN Rigoberto -80 14



On the day

Huge, and largely unexpected, scores for most.

1 Josedin 370 (Buchmann, Bernal and Mas) (80 green points)
2 Ripley 320 (Thomas, Bernal, Barguil and Kreuziger, but Porte) (50)
3 Tobydawq 282 (35)
4 Otoxiep87 269 (25)
5 AmisVelo 245 (15)
6 Kazistuta 244 (7.5)
6 Leadbelly 244 (7.5)
8 Vladimir 241 (3)
9 Laarsland 239 (2)
10 Bminchow 225 (1)
11 BluesInTheBottle 211
12 Scrool07 205
13 Search 204
14 ArchieBoy 203
15 Koronin 179
16 Googolplex 176
17 Carlo_Algatrensig 166
18 BikeRacer33 163
19 Comodoro 152
20 LightBing 149
21 TotalPackage 132
22 Squire 129
23 BlackBandit222 125
24 Del1962 122
25 JustSomeGuy 110
25 RattaKuningas 110
27 Rote_Laterne 106
27 Triley36 106
29 Armchair_Cyclist 96
30 Tigerion 94
31 Shalgo 92
32 LosBrolin 76
33 DJSprtsch 72
34 BicycleBoy 62
35 Yellow_Knight 55
36 Salvarani 34
37 Mellow_Velo -1
38 Fauniera -16
Collective_Wisdom 96

Green points

1 Koronin 220
2 TotalPackage 166
3 RattaKuningas 131
4 JustSomeGuy 130
5 LightBing 124
6 Googolplex 105
7 Ripley 100
8 Del1962 96.5
9 Josedin 87
10 Search 82

Ripley and Josedin are new in the top ten, Josedin with a 22 place jump. Everyone above them stays in the same position. By getting the 10th place on the day, Bminchow has ensured that everyone is at least off the mark in this classification.


Guaranteed points

LightBing and RattaKuningas moved up a bit today, but today is almost the epitome of why I have tried to move focus away from this towards the daily fluctuations.

1 Koronin 318
2 LightBing 295
3 TotalPackage 278
4 RattaKuningas 255
5 Googolplex 252
6 BicycleBoy 251
7 Otoxiep87 197
8 Scrool07 185
9 Comodoro 183
10 DJSprtsch 181


Standings

Ripley moves back to the top, and with a much bigger margin than he had when he was there after stage 6. The six immediately behind him, and 2 more of the top ten (well, eleven, because there is a tie for 10th) were not in the top ten yesterday. Josedin's 20 place jump was the biggest since stage 3

1 Ripley 1184
2 Josedin 1065
3 Otoxiep87 1053
4 Tobydawq 1009
5 AmisVelo 983
6 Search 971
7 Laarsland 967
8 BicycleBoy 960
9 Scrool07 948
10 Armchair_Cyclist 946
10 Googolplex 946
12 Carlo_Algatrensig 933
12 Shalgo 933
14 Del1962 912
15 LosBrolin 910
16 Rote_Laterne 909
17 JustSomeGuy 906
18 Leadbelly 887
19 BluesInTheBottle 877
20 DJSprtsch 875
21 Bminchow 872
22 RattaKuningas 863
23 Kazistuta 859
24 Koronin 846
25 Comodoro 843
26 TotalPackage 827
27 Squire 809
28 Vladimir 803
29 Mellow_Velo 778
30 Fauniera 772
31 Salvarani 752
32 Triley36 745
33 LightBing 723
34 Yellow_Knight 720
35 ArchieBoy 717
36 BlackBandit222 705
37 BikeRacer33 652
38 Tigerion 633
Collective_Wisdom 955

Some number crunching tomorrow, with a focus on the riders who are contributing those points (or maybe failing to do so).
 
No,not the "new" way AC sets it up. That's what confused me as well,but the green points are awarded to the teams with the biggest projected points jump on the day. Not really a competition format that I understand,but never really went for anything else than the overall (which I dont do very well apparently:)

And even though I dont fully grasp the concept,I'm jusy happy AC keeps on doing these.
 
Re:

Koronin said:
Didn't I get a few green jersey points with Ewan (3rd) and Colbrelli (7th)?
When everything is taken into account, your team was the 15th best on the day. There are green points only for the top ten (or those tied for that) each day.

The switch of emphasis to the overall daily performance is about recognising that Thomas's rise to second in GC is a more important result of the stage than Colbrelli coming 7th on the day.

A bit disappointing that I had the same thing throughout the Giro game (as the purplish points) and only one person indicated any uncertainty about it: I explained it at length and asked what people thought and whether we should stick with the change.

I thought this would make it more like the year long game, with its weekly green jersey competition.

So, rest day poll: guaranteed points or daily positions for green points?
 
Re:

Salvarani said:
Shouldnt the green jersey classifications be the points you actually get on the day, with riders scoring quarenteed points? Not that + the changes happening on GC.
That is what it was until this year. I changed it:
A) to make it more similar to the minor rankings in the classics and season long games (it is how that week/day affects your final score turned into a daily ranking);
B) to make the daily rankings reflect what is actually significant in the race and in the main game (so yesterday, Thomas's gains were more significant than Colbrelli's);
C) to avoid the daily yellow jersey bonus having disproportionate influence (although the three wearers so far in this edition have all been unpicked).
 

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