2019 TdF CQ Game

Page 4 - Get up to date with the latest news, scores & standings from the Cycling News Community.
Firstly, an update on yesterday: CQ did indeed switch Landa and Uran around, giving very slight changes in the green points and in the scores.

Revised top ten after stage 19:
1 AmisVelo 1776
2 LosBrolin 1775
3 Rote_Laterne 1774
4 Ripley 1762
5 Armchair_Cyclist 1757
6 Shalgo 1742
7 Search 1737
8 Fauniera 1671
8 DJSprtsch 1671
10 Del1962 1669

Stage 20 A short lead in to Val Thorens

Almost done, but not resolved yet. Thomas benefits most from Alaphilippe's fall down the GC rankings.

THOMAS Geraint 85 Ripley
BERNAL GOMEZ Egan Arley 80 28
KRUIJSWIJK Steven 62 5
LANDA MEANA Mikel 36 7
BUCHMANN Emanuel 35 1
BARGUIL Warren 20 10
YATES Adam 12 4
URAN URAN Rigoberto 10 14
...
KREUZIGER Roman -6 7
ROCHE Nicolas -6 3
TRENTIN Matteo -6 1
KONRAD Patrick -12 1
PORTE Richie -20 22


On the day

1 Search 198 (Bernal, Kruijswijk, Landa, Barguil) (80 Green points)
2 Laarsland 162 (Bernal, Kruijswijk, Barguil) (50)
3 Ripley 159 (Thomas, Bernal, Barguil, but Porte and Kreuziger) (35)
4 Salvarani 146 (25)
5 Fauniera 130 (15)
6 Josedin 121 (10)
7 Rote_Laterne 114 (5)
8 Mellow_Velo 106 (3)
9 Vladimir 100 (2)
10 Googolplex 99 (1)
11 Leadbelly 95
12 Carlo_Algatrensig 92
13 BicycleBoy 90
13 Triley36 90
15 ArchieBoy 85
16 DJSprtsch 84
17 Tobydawq 80
18 BluesInTheBottle 78
19 LosBrolin 73
20 Armchair_Cyclist 70
21 Comodoro 69
22 Shalgo 67
22 TotalPackage 67
24 Del1962 66
25 Otoxiep87 62
26 JustSomeGuy 60
27 AmisVelo 56
28 BlackBandit222 54
29 Bminchow 50
30 RattaKuningas 48
31 Scrool07 44
32 Tigerion 28
33 Koronin 20
34 BikeRacer33 16
34 Yellow_Knight 16
36 Squire -9
37 LightBing -10
38 Kazistuta -22
Collective_Wisdom 90

Green points

having been in second place, Search becomes top of the table through his top score today. Only Koronin, overtaken today, can steal the win. Salvarani also moves up a place, and Laarsland eleven.
1 Search 322.25
2 Koronin 273.75
3 LightBing 209.33
4 TotalPackage 204.5
5 JustSomeGuy 197
6 Shalgo 180.5
7 RattaKuningas 179.25
8 Salvarani 172.75
9 DJSprtsch 157.5
10 Mellow_Velo 147

Without wanting to give away the main standings which will appear below, it is ironic that this happens so late in the game after there being wide discrepancy between these standings and the main game throughout most of the race.


Guaranteed points
Today
Fauniera, Mellow_Velo, Salvarani 90
Search 83
Triley36 80
Ripley 60
Del1962, JustSomeGuy 56

Total
1 Rote_Laterne 632
2 AmisVelo 611
3 LosBrolin 608
4 TotalPackage 605
5 DJSprtsch 603
6 Comodoro 572
7 Armchair_Cyclist 570
7 Otoxiep87 570
9 Shalgo 567
10 Koronin 563


Standings

Search jumps from nowhere (well, 7th) to wear the penultimate yellow jersey, and Ripley recovers from 4th to second. Nobody else who was in the top ten this morning has moved up the table, but Mellow Velo moves into the ten. Search's move to the top is the biggest jump of the day, as well as the most significant.

1 Search 1935
2 Ripley 1921
3 Rote_Laterne 1888
4 LosBrolin 1848
5 AmisVelo 1832
6 Armchair_Cyclist 1827
7 Shalgo 1809
8 Fauniera 1801
9 Mellow_Velo 1768
10 DJSprtsch 1755
11 Salvarani 1737
12 Del1962 1735
13 Laarsland 1715
14 JustSomeGuy 1661
15 Comodoro 1617
16 Otoxiep87 1610
17 Bminchow 1605
18 BicycleBoy 1601
19 Triley36 1591
20 Tobydawq 1567
21 Googolplex 1527
22 Vladimir 1471
23 Scrool07 1458
24 Josedin 1438
25 BlackBandit222 1427
26 Leadbelly 1385
27 Carlo_Algatrensig 1382
28 BluesInTheBottle 1330
29 RattaKuningas 1305
30 TotalPackage 1232
31 ArchieBoy 1120
32 Kazistuta 1057
33 Squire 1022
34 Tigerion 978
35 LightBing 952
36 Yellow_Knight 949
37 Koronin 938
38 BikeRacer33 764
Collective_Wisdom 1972

Everything will depend on how Ewan does tomorrow.
 
So, while we wait for the evening race today, we should try to build some sort of consensus about secondary competitions.

When (I think) CQ Manager started the GT games, the only scores given until the very end of the race were the guaranteed points, and I started chipping in with where we would be in the standings "if the race were to finish now", which obviously becomes more accurate as the race nears its conclusion (although situations like Alaphilippe in yellow keep us guessing in that regard).

When I took over the games, I retained the guaranteed points category as a secondary competition. But this year I replaced that with a 'green jersey' ranking based on daily position in points gained or lost towards the main game. This seemed well enough received during the Giro, but people have said during the Tour that they preferred the old system.

There's no point in me spending time on elements that people aren't enjoying, so let's find out what you are interested in. So it would be good if as many of you as would could answer the following, and add any other thoughts, about how we do this in future GTs. Answer in thread or PM to me: I'll wait until Wednesday before collating the responses.

Are you interested in there being a secondary competition?

Should it be based on the stage scores, or the effect of the stage on projected scores?
(On stage 20, would you give Geraint Thomas just 15 pts for 5th, or 15 + 70 for moving from 3rd to 2nd on GC)

Should it be scored according to simply points won by each rider, or the position of each manager on the day?

If we are only awarding points for the stage, should that include leader's points (the 20 point bonus to yellow jersey wearer)?

Any other thoughts/suggestions?
 
Re:

Armchair cyclist said:
So, while we wait for the evening race today, we should try to build some sort of consensus about secondary competitions.

When (I think) CQ Manager started the GT games, the only scores given until the very end of the race were the guaranteed points, and I started chipping in with where we would be in the standings "if the race were to finish now", which obviously becomes more accurate as the race nears its conclusion (although situations like Alaphilippe in yellow keep us guessing in that regard).

When I took over the games, I retained the guaranteed points category as a secondary competition. But this year I replaced that with a 'green jersey' ranking based on daily position in points gained or lost towards the main game. This seemed well enough received during the Giro, but people have said during the Tour that they preferred the old system.

There's no point in me spending time on elements that people aren't enjoying, so let's find out what you are interested in. So it would be good if as many of you as would could answer the following, and add any other thoughts, about how we do this in future GTs. Answer in thread or PM to me: I'll wait until Wednesday before collating the responses.

Are you interested in there being a secondary competition?

Should it be based on the stage scores, or the effect of the stage on projected scores?
(On stage 20, would you give Geraint Thomas just 15 pts for 5th, or 15 + 70 for moving from 3rd to 2nd on GC)

Should it be scored according to simply points won by each rider, or the position of each manager on the day?

If we are only awarding points for the stage, should that include leader's points (the 20 point bonus to yellow jersey wearer)?

Any other thoughts/suggestions?
Personally, I don't care about a secondary classification one bit. And I think the pojected standings are better than the guaranteed points but I don't have very strong opinions on the matter.
 
Stage 21 The final parade

Guaranteed points

Today
TotalPackage 130
Tigerion 115
14 other Ewan teams 80

Totals
1 TotalPackage 735
2 Rote_Laterne 712
3 AmisVelo 691
4 LosBrolin 688
5 DJSprtsch 683
6 Comodoro 652
7 Armchair_Cyclist 650
7 Otoxiep87 650
9 Shalgo 647
10 Koronin 643
11 LightBing 641
12 Scrool07 591
13 RattaKuningas 588
14 Tigerion 546
15 Googolplex 534
16 BicycleBoy 522
16 Kazistuta 522
18 Search 402
19 BlackBandit222 401
20 BikeRacer33 397
21 Ripley 367
22 ArchieBoy 366
23 Vladimir 365
24 Fauniera 359
25 Salvarani 356
26 Laarsland 353
27 JustSomeGuy 350
28 Bminchow 346
29 Del1962 340
30 Mellow_Velo 337
31 Josedin 312
32 Tobydawq 297
33 Triley36 296
34 Leadbelly 289
35 Carlo_Algatrensig 267
36 BluesInTheBottle 243
37 Squire 197
38 Yellow_Knight 154
Collective_Wisdom 687

And if I did daily points ranking of the guaranteed points, it would give this:
1 TotalPackage 456.82
2 LightBing 416.87
3 Koronin 283.39
4 Search 264.82
5 Ripley 221.86
6 RattaKuningas 219.06
7 Googolplex 214.38
8 BicycleBoy 189.36
9 Laarsland 176.22
10 ArchieBoy 169.44
11 BlackBandit222 147
12 Fauniera 142.32
13 DJSprtsch 137
14 Otoxiep87 132.93
15 Tigerion 124.9
16 Bminchow 122.26
17 Squire 113.08
18 JustSomeGuy 111.29
19 Vladimir 108.54
20 Mellow_Velo 102.32
21 Salvarani 102.32
22 Scrool07 79.96
23 Kazistuta 71.19
24 AmisVelo 70
25 Josedin 67.32
26 Rote_Laterne 61.5
27 Del1962 56.29
28 Yellow_Knight 50.86
29 Triley36 50.82
30 LosBrolin 43.66
31 Comodoro 43.28
32 Armchair_Cyclist 42.91
33 Shalgo 42.91
34 Carlo_Algatrensig 35.6
35 BikeRacer33 32.07
36 Tobydawq 15.57
37 BluesInTheBottle 14.82
38 Leadbelly 11.07


On the day

Only one swap in the top 50 of GC (last little bonus for those who picked De Plus), and some shifts in the points ranking, on top of the stage points.

EWAN Caleb 115 16
GROENEWEGEN Dylan 51 1
BONIFAZIO Niccolo 35 1
BOASSON HAGEN Edvald 15 1
TRENTIN Matteo 5 1
DE PLUS Laurens 2 3
SAGAN Peter 1 2
...
COLBRELLI Sonny -10 2
MATTHEWS Michael -10 1


1 TotalPackage 166 (Ewan and Groenewegen) (80 Green points)
2 Tigerion 150 (Ewan and Bonifazio) (50)
3 DJSprtsch 117 (Ewan and De Plus) (35)
4 AmisVelo, Armchair_Cyclist, BikeRacer33, Comodoro, Kazistuta, LosBrolin, Otoxiep87, Rote_Laterne, Scrool07, Shalgo 115
14 Koronin, LightBing, RattaKuningas 105
17 ArchieBoy 15
18 BlackBandit222 7
19 BluesInTheBottle 2
20 BicycleBoy, Googolplex 1
22 Seventeen teams 0

Green points
Total Package moves up 2 places to second, but Search retains his lead (in this category at least). Other significant last minute rises for DJSprtsh (3 places) and Tigerion (12)

1 Search 322.25
2 TotalPackage 284.5
3 Koronin 273.75
4 LightBing 209.33
5 JustSomeGuy 197
6 DJSprtsch 192.5
7 Shalgo 186.6
8 RattaKuningas 179.25
9 Salvarani 172.75
10 AmisVelo 149.1
11 Mellow_Velo 147
12 Squire 142.5
13 Ripley 142
14 BlackBandit222 140
15 Tigerion 131.5
16 Googolplex 131
17 Fauniera 128
18 Del1962 126.5
19 Laarsland 121.75
20 Bminchow 121
21 Yellow_Knight 120
22 Otoxiep87 105.1
23 Triley36 105
24 LosBrolin 100.6
25 Josedin 97.33
26 Vladimir 89.25
27 Carlo_Algatrensig 85
28 BicycleBoy 80.75
29 ArchieBoy 75
30 Kazistuta 61.85
31 Scrool07 59.6
32 Armchair_Cyclist 59.1
33 Rote_Laterne 49.6
34 Tobydawq 47.5
35 Comodoro 45.43
36 BluesInTheBottle 43
37 Leadbelly 12
38 BikeRacer33 11.6

Final Standings

The red lantern becomes the yellow jersey, as yesterday's top two, lacking Ewan in their teams, drop away from the podium, and so the top 4 all move up 4 places. Three teams managed a final upward adjustment of three places: Scrool07, Ratta Kuningas and Total Package.

The difference between winning and coming second (they had 5 riders in common) was Barguil overhauling Porte for 10th in GC.

1 Rote_Laterne 2003
2 LosBrolin 1963
3 AmisVelo 1947
4 Armchair_Cyclist 1942
5 Search 1935
6 Shalgo 1924
7 Ripley 1921
8 DJSprtsch 1872
9 Fauniera 1801
10 Mellow_Velo 1768
11 Salvarani 1737
12 Del1962 1735
13 Comodoro 1732
14 Otoxiep87 1725
15 Laarsland 1715
16 JustSomeGuy 1661
17 Bminchow 1605
18 BicycleBoy 1602
19 Triley36 1591
20 Scrool07 1573
21 Tobydawq 1567
22 Googolplex 1528
23 Vladimir 1471
24 Josedin 1438
25 BlackBandit222 1434
26 RattaKuningas 1410
27 TotalPackage 1398
28 Leadbelly 1385
29 Carlo_Algatrensig 1382
30 BluesInTheBottle 1332
31 Kazistuta 1172
32 ArchieBoy 1135
33 Tigerion 1128
34 LightBing 1057
35 Koronin 1043
36 Squire 1022
37 Yellow_Knight 949
38 BikeRacer33 879
Collective_Wisdom 2087

Congratulations to our winner, to those who filled the podium, and thanks to the riders, the site organisers at PCS and CQ who I get the data from, and to everyone who competed.

More numbers tomorrow.
 
Just getting to this. Was out of town this weekend at a Science Fiction Convention. Plan on starting a new thread in general for Sci-Fi and Comic Conventions. Hopefully the pictures are small enough to upload to the page and I have really cool story to share.

Back to this topic. For secondary competition: My thought it should be based on stage points only. Only overall standing and no yellow jersey points. Now I could see points for the rider who is wearing the Green jersey.

My team did well for the green points and poorly for overall as I somewhat expected.
 
Re:

Armchair cyclist said:
Stage 21
The difference between winning and coming second (they had 5 riders in common) was Barguil overhauling Porte for 10th in GC.
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Of course it has to come down to lil Richie and you know what happens if you're the one having him. :D

Well played Rote_Laterne and congrats for the win & thanks for AC hosting the game once again. What comes to the question asked, I mainly follow GC myself.
 
Re:

Armchair cyclist said:
So, while we wait for the evening race today, we should try to build some sort of consensus about secondary competitions.

When (I think) CQ Manager started the GT games, the only scores given until the very end of the race were the guaranteed points, and I started chipping in with where we would be in the standings "if the race were to finish now", which obviously becomes more accurate as the race nears its conclusion (although situations like Alaphilippe in yellow keep us guessing in that regard).

When I took over the games, I retained the guaranteed points category as a secondary competition. But this year I replaced that with a 'green jersey' ranking based on daily position in points gained or lost towards the main game. This seemed well enough received during the Giro, but people have said during the Tour that they preferred the old system.

There's no point in me spending time on elements that people aren't enjoying, so let's find out what you are interested in. So it would be good if as many of you as would could answer the following, and add any other thoughts, about how we do this in future GTs. Answer in thread or PM to me: I'll wait until Wednesday before collating the responses.

Are you interested in there being a secondary competition?

Should it be based on the stage scores, or the effect of the stage on projected scores?
(On stage 20, would you give Geraint Thomas just 15 pts for 5th, or 15 + 70 for moving from 3rd to 2nd on GC)

Should it be scored according to simply points won by each rider, or the position of each manager on the day?

If we are only awarding points for the stage, should that include leader's points (the 20 point bonus to yellow jersey wearer)?

Any other thoughts/suggestions?
For the green jersey competition I would say that should be guaranteed points only. Basically the points awarded that day. If somebody picks 1 & 2 on the stage but doesn't get green jersey points because they also had a rider near the top of GC that DNF it seems wrong.

I would count yellow jersey points as part of it
 
Re: Re:

Congrats to Rote_Laterne. :)

tobydawq said:
Personally, I don't care about a secondary classification one bit.
Same here. I like the game but always skip over the green jersey thing as i don't care. But i don't mind this or some other secondary classification being there of course.
 
I would prefer a "guaranteed points" and "projected points" overview after each stage. That way it'll show who favored stage riders and who favored gc riders. The first ranking would then become the second ranking after the final stage, which means one competition, and just two different ways to follow the game flow. That's my humble and grateful opinion.
 
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Kazistuta said:
I would prefer a "guaranteed points" and "projected points" overview after each stage. That way it'll show who favored stage riders and who favored gc riders. The first ranking would then become the second ranking after the final stage, which means one competition, and just two different ways to follow the game flow. That's my humble and grateful opinion.
I agree with this right here.
 
Sorry, a few days later than intended, but here are some of the key numbers.

Top scoring riders
35 riders scored 100 or more:

BERNAL GOMEZ Egan Arley 842 28 teams (out of 38)
ALAPHILIPPE Julian 835 0

THOMAS Geraint 571 1
KRUIJSWIJK Steven 469 5
EWAN Caleb 465 16
SAGAN Peter 386 2
BUCHMANN Emanuel 383 1
LANDA MEANA Mikel 343 7
QUINTANA ROJAS Nairo Alexander 291 9
VIVIANI Elia 290 0

URAN URAN Rigoberto 274 14
GROENEWEGEN Dylan 252 1
YATES Simon 242 0
VALVERDE BELMONTE Alejandro 232 0
BARDET Romain 230 0
PINOT Thibaut 201 0

BARGUIL Warren 198 10
TRENTIN Matteo 193 1
TEUNISSEN Mike 170 0

MATTHEWS Michael 170 1
PORTE Richie 156 22
VAN AERT Wout 152 1
CICCONE Giulio 137 0

DE GENDT Thomas 135 1
MARTIN Guillaume 130 0
NIBALI Vincenzo 130 0

COLBRELLI Sonny 130 2
TEUNS Dylan 122 0

GAUDU David 120 1
VAN AVERMAET Greg 120 0
LUTSENKO Alexey 115 0

ARU Fabio 110 22
MEURISSE Xandro 110 0
BENOOT Tiesj 105 0
IMPEY Daryl 100 0



Guaranteed points
including yellow jersey bonuses.
32 riders got the equivalent of 2nd on a stage or better. Ewan outscored the other sprinters, although some of them were a lot more expensive than he was.

ALAPHILIPPE Julian 544 0
EWAN Caleb 395 16
SAGAN Peter 286 2
VIVIANI Elia 235 0

GROENEWEGEN Dylan 230 1
YATES Simon 210 0
PINOT Thibaut 201 0

BERNAL GOMEZ Egan Arley 192 28
TRENTIN Matteo 163 1
VAN AERT Wout 152 1
TEUNISSEN Mike 150 0

MATTHEWS Michael 135 1
THOMAS Geraint 121 1
DE GENDT Thomas 115 1
TEUNS Dylan 95 0
CICCONE Giulio 90 0

KRUIJSWIJK Steven 87 5
QUINTANA ROJAS Nairo Alexander 86 9
COLBRELLI Sonny 85 2
BENOOT Tiesj 85 0
NIBALI Vincenzo 83 0

LANDA MEANA Mikel 82 7
VAN AVERMAET Greg 80 0
IMPEY Daryl 80 0
STUYVEN Jasper 66 0

BUCHMANN Emanuel 63 1
ASGREEN Kasper 61 0
KRISTOFF Alexander 55 0
VALVERDE BELMONTE Alejandro 52 0
BARDET Romain 50 0

BONIFAZIO Niccolo 50 1
BILBAO LOPEZ DE ARMENTIA Pello 50 1

Percentage returns
Popular makeweight William Bonnet broke positive (although the main image of him in the race, persuading Pinot to call it a day, was rather negative). 35 riders paid back at least a quarter of the investment.

BONNET William 133.3% 14 teams
BERNAL GOMEZ Egan Arley 72.9 28
KÄMNA Lennard 72.7 9
EWAN Caleb 62.3 16
VAN MELSEN Kevin 58.8 6
VACHON Florian 46.5 3
KRUIJSWIJK Steven 43.6 5
THOMAS Geraint 42.4 1
MOINARD Amaël 41.7 4
LANDA MEANA Mikel 39.4 7
OFFREDO Yoann 39.2 1
BUCHMANN Emanuel 38.9 1
KREUZIGER Roman 37.6 7
ARU Fabio 37.3 22
BARGUIL Warren 35.7 10
CHEREL Mikael 33.9 1
URAN URAN Rigoberto 32.9 14
BERNARD Julien 32.9 2
RICHEZE ARAQUISTAIN Maximiliano Ariel 32.6 0
ALAPHILIPPE Julian 31.9 0

GRELLIER Fabien 31.7 1
MÜHLBERGER Gregor 31.3 0

DE GENDT Thomas 31.3 1
DE PLUS Laurens 30.3 3
PAUWELS Serge 30.1 13
PORTE Richie 29.4 22
REICHENBACH Sébastien 28.9 2
BAK Lars Ytting 28.6 0

LAENGEN Vegard Stake 28.6 1
QUINTANA ROJAS Nairo Alexander 28.3 9
MEURISSE Xandro 28.1 0

CUMMINGS Stephen 26.7 3
SICARD Romain 26.3 1
TEUNISSEN Mike 25.4 0
LADAGNOUS Matthieu 25.0 0



Impeccable picks
Bernal
Kruijswijk
Ewan
Barguil
Porte
De Gendt
Aru
Kreuziger
Kamna
Pauwels
Bonnet

Best possible team
As ever, there might be a better combination: please tell me if you find one.

BERNAL GOMEZ Egan Arley 842
KRUIJSWIJK Steven 469
EWAN Caleb 465
BARGUIL Warren 198
ARU Fabio 110
KÄMNA Lennard 72
BONNET William 20
VAN MELSEN Kevin 20
for a total of 2196

Nobody got the Bernal/Kruijswijk/Ewan trifecta, while 11 of us got two of them.


Collective wisdom
The reported Collective wisdom team would have won, but as I explained in the post on day 1 going through the submissions data, that team was over budget, at 4202. However, if I had removed the least popular of them to have made the cut, I could have put in Kamna losing just one popularity point, been way below the budget restriction, and still scored 1961, just below second place.
BERNAL GOMEZ Egan Arley 842
ARU Fabio 110
PORTE Richie 156
URAN URAN Rigoberto 274
EWAN Caleb 465
PAUWELS Serge 22
BONNET William 20
KÄMNA Lennard 72


The winning team
Well done Rote Laterne: this is how she did it.
BERNAL GOMEZ Egan Arley 842
EWAN Caleb 465
URAN URAN Rigoberto 274
BARGUIL Warren 198
ARU Fabio 110
KÄMNA Lennard 72
PAUWELS Serge 22
FRAILE MATARRANZ Omar 20


and the difference between winning and second, there being 5 riders shared with Los Brolin, is
BARGUIL Warren 198
PAUWELS Serge 22
FRAILE MATARRANZ Omar 20
rather than
PORTE Richie 156
HENAO MONTOYA Sergio Luis 24
MONFORT Maxime 20


4 seasons
For those who entered the Classics and Giro games as well, are in the running for being thrashed by Tobydawq in the Four Seasons challenge if they also enter the Vuelta game.
(Classics+Giro+Tour)
1 Tobydawq 6751
2 AmisVelo 5632
3 Search 5295 (+2 places from the end of the Giro)
4 Armchair_Cyclist 5222 (+3)
5 Del1962 5194 (-1)
6 Scrool07 5098 (-3)
7 Laarsland 5014 (-1)
8 LosBrolin 4747 (+6)
9 Triley36 4720 (+1)
10 Salvarani 4660 (+2)
11 Leadbelly 4613 (-3)
12 Rote_Laterne 4611 (+5)
13 Otoxiep87 4592 (-)
14 Josedin 4581 (-5)
15 Mellow_Velo 4176 (+5)
16 Bminchow 4167 (+2)
17 Kazistuta 4163 (-6)
18 Comodoro 4081 (+3)
19 Vladimir 4024 (-)
20 BluesInTheBottle 3983 (-4)
21 JustSomeGuy 3904 (+1)
22 LightBing 3709 (-7)

As to the review of the secondary classifications, I note that many are not that bothered, but that the non-unanimous preference among those who are is for a stage points only, without leaders' bonuses, table. I hope that will provide interest for those who drop out of main game contention.


Final spreadsheet at Dropbox.

La Vuelta starts on Saturday 24th, so prices will be set on Monday 19th: I'll p[ut up the be alert for it post on around 16th. See you all then.
 

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