2020 Tokyo Olympics - road race course

[Red Rick]

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Nibali-Roglic and Ala-Fuglsang rivalry will be renewed here.

These 4 might be the top 4 favorites.

Nah, grandpa will win this

Well Nibali already had to deal with getting dropped by his papi, but I'm not sure he's ready to go so far as to get dropped by his grand papi

 

[Nirvana]

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S Yates says he wants Giro this year, Olympics next year and then Tour in 2021. If anyone was to target the Olympics outright at the start of the year in 2020 what would be best GT to do, Giro?

Definitely the Tour, but without riding for the GC. The strongest guys in August usually come from the Tour.

Not only without riding the GC but also abandoning after the second week because there are only six days between Champs Élysées and Olympics RR and you have to take an intercontinental flight in between. Next year a climber that want to be a contender for both Olympics and Worlds has to forget going to the Giro because would mean three peaks in five months and riding all the way to Paris at the Tour due to what I said earlier but also the Vuelta for GC could be too much because means to be in top shape for two straight months.

 

[Blanco]

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Nibali-Roglic and Ala-Fuglsang rivalry will be renewed here.

These 4 might be the top 4 favorites.

Nah, grandpa will win this

Well Nibali already had to deal with getting dropped by his papi, but I'm not sure he's ready to go so far as to get dropped by his grand papi

No, he won't get dropped, just out sprinted

 

[DNP-Old]

As if it wasn't obvious enough that Spanish cycling is in a bit of a downfall, the next two weeks will be very interesting. One sub par season for Valverde and Spain is currently in the need of having to move heaven and earth to stay ahead of Slovenia in the rankings, to be eligible to send 5 instead of only 4 people to Tokyo. One badly timed mechanical in Lombardia and Valverde himself might have to place some calls to get the Astana boys starting in Guangxi of all places.

At this very moment there is a difference of 100 points between either country, but Slovenia is sending both Pogchamp and Roglic to Italy, and Mohoric will be riding Guangxi.

 

[tobydawq]

As if it wasn't obvious enough that Spanish cycling is in a bit of a downfall, the next two weeks will be very interesting. One sub par season for Valverde and Spain is currently in the need of having to move heaven and earth to stay ahead of Slovenia in the rankings, to be eligible to send 5 instead of only 4 people to Tokyo. One badly timed mechanical in Lombardia and Valverde himself might have to place some calls to get the Astana boys starting in Guangxi of all places.

At this very moment there is a difference of 100 points between either country, but Slovenia is sending both Pogchamp and Roglic to Italy, and Mohoric will be riding Guangxi.

Will Landa be going to Italy?

 

[slosada]

As if it wasn't obvious enough that Spanish cycling is in a bit of a downfall, the next two weeks will be very interesting. One sub par season for Valverde and Spain is currently in the need of having to move heaven and earth to stay ahead of Slovenia in the rankings, to be eligible to send 5 instead of only 4 people to Tokyo. One badly timed mechanical in Lombardia and Valverde himself might have to place some calls to get the Astana boys starting in Guangxi of all places.

At this very moment there is a difference of 100 points between either country, but Slovenia is sending both Pogchamp and Roglic to Italy, and Mohoric will be riding Guangxi.

Germany is only 13 points behind Spain too.
Indeed, that race is pretty close from Colombia (5th) until Australia (9th).
Col ombia 9198
Slovenia 8841
Spain 8740
Germany 8727
Australia 8477

This week, there are:
2 sprinter classics: Sparkassen (Ackermann/Walscheid /Greipel/Degenkolb/Politt vs Hodeg/Gaviria) and Eurometropole
3 Italian classics: Emilia, Bruno Beghelli and Tre Valli Varesine

In Emilia: Bernal/Betancur/Higuita/Chaves/Lopez/Sosa vs Roglic/Pogacar vs Clarke/Haig/Porte vs Landa​

CRO race (where Kump just got the first stage and 14 UCI points... Mohoric and Tratnik are also there)

 

[Valv.Piti]

I dont think the difference between 4 and 5 i too much tbh.

But you are right about Spanish cycling though. To some degree at least... Mas has had a more or less useless season (which I dont really expect to happen last year at all) while Soler has done brilliantly, but not gained lots of points due to his obligations to the team. The Izagirre-brother are good, not great, Ion hasn't taken that step. Also mostly domestiques in GT's.

 

[Ivan_Basso_77]

I dont think the difference between 4 and 5 i too much tbh.

But you are right about Spanish cycling though. To some degree at least... Mas has had a more or less useless season (which I dont really expect to happen last year at all) while Soler has done brilliantly, but not gained lots of points due to his obligations to the team. The Izagirre-brother are good, not great, Ion hasn't taken that step. Also mostly domestiques in GT's.

Personally, I'm not that surprised. For me it was obvious that it would happen even before Contador and Purito retired. Apart from Bala, Soler and Landa no one else managed to impress this year really.

 

[DNP-Old]

Germany is only 13 points behind Spain too.
Indeed, that race is pretty close from Colombia (5th) until Australia (9th).
Col ombia 9198
Slovenia 8841
Spain 8740
Germany 8727
Australia 8477

This week, there are:
2 sprinter classics: Sparkassen (Ackermann/Walscheid /Greipel/Degenkolb/Politt vs Hodeg/Gaviria) and Eurometropole
3 Italian classics: Emilia, Bruno Beghelli and Tre Valli Varesine

In Emilia: Bernal/Betancur/Higuita/Chaves/Lopez/Sosa vs Roglic/Pogacar vs Clarke/Haig/Porte vs Landa​

CRO race (where Kump just got the first stage and 14 UCI points... Mohoric and Tratnik are also there)

If I remember correctly, only the points of the 8 best riders count toward the cap, so a result of Hodeg for instance wouldn't get Colombia any further. Not that it matters, Colombia is fielding the 5 star class in Italy race in, race out. Unless disaster strikes, there shouldn't be any problems.

 

[slosada]

If I remember correctly, only the points of the 8 best riders count toward the cap, so a result of Hodeg for instance wouldn't get Colombia any further. Not that it matters, Colombia is fielding the 5 star class in Italy race in, race out. Unless disaster strikes, there shouldn't be any problems.

Yes, you are right, only the best 8 riders count.
Hodeg sits at 79 points from Sosa (30 less in current UCI individual ranking plus 49 point difference in late 2018).
Martinez is another rider close to Uran/Betancur/Sosa in 2019
Chaves, OTOH, is only at 300 points, so he has to do far more to contribute.

 

[del1962]

Whats the rankings cut off date for Olympics?

 

[DNP-Old]

Whats the rankings cut off date for Olympics?

22nd of October, the day Guangnxi ends.

 

[del1962]

Colombia will be losing Uran's points from the last fall races, so they will need someone to step up

 

[Vesica]

22nd of October, the day Guangnxi ends.

thanks, that would make sense. In another thread I thought someone said it would end after the Worlds.

 

[slosada]

Colombia will be losing Uran's points from the last fall races, so they will need someone to step up

The standings posted here are free from 2018 points. In the UCI website, there is a Tokyo qualy ranking at the bottom.
Hence, even if Uran lost around 900 points between Vuelta and Guangxi (and another 140 in San Sebastian which he didn't race), his 2019 tally (close to 500 points) is what is included in the 9198 points for Colombia

 

[Asero831]

So there no Nations additional points for TTT?
Germany will get a big boost there.

Anyway, it may all come down to Guangxi where there are 300-250-215 for the podium.

 

[del1962]

Hodeg picks up 200 points today, ,moving to just above 600 by my calcs, above Sosa, Betancur and Uran, plus 100 for Gaviria

 

[Disco]

Not a huge fan of this one - it just looks too hard for most of the best one day racers in the world. The Olympics is such a rare event that it should give opportunities to both cobbled and Ardennes specialists imo - even if its always going to slightly favour one type of rider over the other. Rio was on the limit, but ultimately justified itself with GVA producing the ride of a century.

This is just like a very hard Lombardia. 5,000m of climbing is way too much.

im just really excited for this one. Hope Nibali can give it a shot. The fuji f1 circuit is a beauty of a venue , just pray for no heavy rain. Its near the scary forest of ghosts, its where niki lauda lost the f1 title to james hunt in 76. Bernie bought the tv rights for f1 that yr..

 

[red_flanders]

I don't get the criticism myself, so it's a course for climbers. Climbers and top GC guys are all worthy of being Olympic champion. Looks like a beautiful, challenging course. Kudos.

 

[slosada]

Whoever is able to win any Olympic Road Race, should be a very complete rider, not just one trick pony. The Kittels (or Cav or Gav, or Groenewegen,...) of this world should not. Same goes for the Atapumas.
The Olympic gold medallist should be able to climb, descend, endure the distance and TT and/or sprint

 

[Asero831]

The battle for 6th spot is getting interesting.
Roglic widens Slovenia's lead to Spain yesterday but Valverde's 2nd place keep Spain within striking distance of 6th place.

 

[del1962]

Current Rankings

Rank	Name	Nation	Points
1	BELGIUM	BEL	13010.09
2	ITALY	ITA	11485.48
3	FRANCE	FRA	10686.95
4	NETHERLANDS	NED	10240.14
5	COLOMBIA	COL	9594.21
6	SLOVENIA	SLO	9066.4
7	SPAIN	ESP	9035.5
8	GERMANY	GER	8972.33
9	AUSTRALIA	AUS	8605.45
10	DENMARK	DEN	7672.46
11	GREAT BRITAIN	GBR	5918.32
12	NORWAY	NOR	5617.59
13	SWITZERLAND	SUI	3863.27
14	POLAND	POL	3575.55
15 +1	SOUTH AFRICA	RSA	3493.67

 

[Red Rick]

What races still count?

Guess it's primarily Valverde vs Roglic and Pogacar in Italian fall races?

 

[del1962]

Shame for Slovenia Mohoric is injured

 

[del1962]

What races still count?

Guess it's primarily Valverde vs Roglic and Pogacar in Italian fall races?

Izagirre brothers an d Lulu could pick up points