2020 Tour de France route rumors

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one dimensional climbers route it is.

Funny because probably still a JV/Ineos TT/Climber wins (Roglic, Froome, Thomas, Bernal, Dumoulin) so it doesn't matter. But still... one dimensional route. Bit sad.
Hey, you can't complain because your man posted one of the best times in Oropa. You don't have to fear. On top of that he can finish it off on a day before arriving to Paris.
 
There is something that is clear with ASO at this moment:

  • No more longer flattish TT. There is nothing for them to tell them to bring them back.
  • Longer stages.

I think we need longer stages for the test of the recovery factor and endurance of the rider. As for the first one I really don't care because more times than what we want the longer TT have killed the action in the mountains.
 
What is new, is that the 'climbers' are also outclimbed by the same TTers. In 2018 Froome, Roglic, Dumoulin and Thomas were the best climbers. So.. that's really on the climbers that they are so incapable of even riding away from the TT-ers on 'their' terrain.
You conveniently left out Simon Yates who was easily one of the best climbers of 2018.

Route sounds interesting. I'm looking forward to it. Hopefully those with lesser TTs will bank enough time to make it a nail biter.
 
This route might not be that bad for Dumoulin and Roglic. There are no hard high altitude mountain stages and only a handful of very hard stages. The ITT is very similar to the Bergen WC course, only it is 5 Kms longer. Guess who dominated in Bergen? Big Tom, ahead of Roglic. This ITT is much better for them than a pan flat one.
 
You conveniently left out Simon Yates who was easily one of the best climbers of 2018.

Route sounds interesting. I'm looking forward to it. Hopefully those with lesser TTs will bank enough time to make it a nail biter.
Yates wasn't in the 2018 Tour. I was talking specifically of the Tour in case you didn't notice. Even specifically naming the entire top 4

And The Giro / Vuelta are completely different climbs. You conveniently left that out?
 
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This route might not be that bad for Dumoulin and Roglic. There are no hard high altitude mountain stages and only a handful of very hard stages. The ITT is very similar to the Bergen WC course, only it is 5 Kms longer. Guess who dominated in Bergen? Big Tom, ahead of Roglic. This ITT is much better for them than a pan flat one.
It's on the 20th day of a GT.
 
The biggest fear is that it could turn into a waiting game before stage 15, or even worse stage 17.
It is very likely to happen: Orcières-Merlette and Puy Mary is perfect for wheel sucking as their hardest sections are 2-5km before finish. I am very cautious about Pyrenees because stages with decent have not been very good recently; Loudenville stage might give action, however, Marie-Blanque is too far from finish.
 
I have mixed feelings but overall I like this route especially considering "Tour-standards."

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Mountains are spread all over the race
Placement of Key-stages (Pyreneers = weekend, Massif Central plus Colombiere = weekend)
Potential GC-action on almost every single day
Nicely designed medium mountain stages


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One-sided focus on optimizing Alaphillipes chances for an overall Tour-bid
Pyreneers are slightly disappointing
Lack of really hard mountain stages
Lack of long and enduring stages (perhaps especially a high mountain stage with proper lenght)


I never understood why sprinters should have 7-9 or more chances in a grand tour. Refreshing that ASO finally went Vuelta-mode on that one.

First Week:
Would love to see profiles before final conclusions but stage 4 and 6 seems to be quite suited for skirmishes between GC-riders. Stage 2 in my opinion is kind of a waste. Neither Colmiane og Turini serves any purpose on that stage. Aside from the lack of creativity in the pyreneers, I don't dislike that first stage to Loudenville. Could be better but Menté, Bales and Peyresorde are solid mountains. The main problem is the lenght. 140 km is way too short. They should have made this one close to 200 km and packed it more with a few minor mountains. If so, the next day would had made sense. The second stage in the Pyreneers is very disappointing and in my opinion only marginally better than the usual bore-stuff to Foix. Downhill sections on both stages in the Pyreneers largely favors Alaphillippe. He can recoup any time he may have lost uphill. For him the Peyresorde-stage is probably a bit more dangerous. Stage 6 should suit him very well and stage 4 is no worse than this years Prati d'Albi. In addition it comes early in the race and with no mountains before hand. Alaphillippe shouldn't lose to much time.


Second week:
Stage 10 could suffer from crosswinds transforming this one to something quite exciting. Stage 11 will probably be non-interesting GC-wise. Stage 12 is marked hilly but it is difficult to judge it without a proper stage profile. Suc au May on climbybike is set at 5,67 km with and average gradient of 8,8%. If it is very close to the finish it could provide some real action. Otherwise this one must be for break-away riders. Stage 13 is nicely made and more than just an appetizer for what is later to come. It is however once again a stage that suits Alaphillippe more than any other GC-contender. Stage 14 includes Col du Beal but considering its placement on the route this stage is probably more for break-away riders without GC-action. Stage 15 is the first "real" test for the GC-riders. If Alaphillippe is in yellow here other GC-riders can't waste this stage. They have to put maximum pressure on him.


Third week:
Stage 16 is yet another medium mountain stage. Considering the nature of stage 17 and 18, the road to Villard-de-Land probably won't spark a lot of GC-action. Again this is a stage favouring Alaphillippe. Stage 17 and 18 (together with pre-mentioned stage 15) are obviously where Bernal and other climbers and serious GC-riders have to break Alaphillippe. On stage 18 Plateau Gliéres is obviously the decisive pass but it is a bit far out. Alaphillippe is once again given an extra chance with that long descent and much easier climb up Col des Fleuries. Stage 19 and 21 will provide proper motivation for sprinters to stay in the race while that ITT on stage 20 up to Planche des Beilles certainly again favors Alaphillippe considering what he did on both Planche and the rolling ITT this year.
 
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I'm good with this route. I don't miss long, flat ITTs, from a viewers' perspective they offer me nothing. I do like shortish TTTs because there's always a danger of crashes etc. But I get that most riders probably hate them. I'm also glad that the Massif Central figures prominently, if only for a change of scenery.

The last week is pretty traditional Alps, tbh. Just sub the AdH ITT from a few years ago for the BDBF one. The stage to Meribel looks really intriguing. It's very possible that the race will be decided in that final TT.

And without a TTT or flat ITT, I think it leaves the race much more wide open for someone like MAL or even Quintana or Bardet, as noted above, because they won't be in a 3 minute hole when the race hits the Alps or Pyrenees. It should also mean that Froome/Roglic/Dumoulin will have to initiate a mountain attack to get into yellow.
 
If he does that, prioritising winning one Olympic gold out of 408 awarded every four years, over the one and only Tour de France, he deserves to win nothing for the rest of his career. The Olympics is a big deal in minor sports with no traditions or audience of their own. If a cyclist treats road cycling that way, he is dead to me.

I agree 100 percent.

But I will say that for a rider from a small country the Olympic RR might have a lot of cachet. For someone like Roglic it would be a nice addition to his palmares and be a huge hit back home. But prioritizing over the Tour? No way. Maybe after he's won one...
 
If he does that, prioritising winning one Olympic gold out of 408 awarded every four years, over the one and only Tour de France, he deserves to win nothing for the rest of his career. The Olympics is a big deal in minor sports with no traditions or audience of their own. If a cyclist treats road cycling that way, he is dead to me.

Priorities usually come with a healthy dose of realism, and while he would be the odds on favorite on the olympics route, he is far from it on the tour route.
 
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I like that we get to see some new climbs and avoiding the same old Alpe d'Huez, Tourmalet, Ventoux and others - hope we won't see them the next five years at the very least, while we are at it (even though Ventoux would be nice in 2021 or 2022, it's been three editions without). The Pyrenees are a bit lackluster, but the route is loaded with mountains anyway. I like the ITT at the end, reminds me a bit of the Paris-Nice 2017 ITT, just roughly twice the overall distance and La Planche roughly double the length of Brouilly. What bothers me a lot is the lack of a flat TT mid-race, like swap stage 12 or 14 with a flat 40 km TT. Not like I find flat TTs inherently interesting, but I have grown rather tired of short time trials, which doesn't make a difference. Put that flat 40 km TT, watch climbers lose 1½-2 minutes, and see them going all out in the following mountains out of desperation. But I guess I'm not a route designer for a reason...

From a Pinot-fan perspective, this route is great! Also good that the restdays are followed by easier stages - but stage 10 is at the west coast: Great probability to see the obligatory 1½ minute time loss in crosswinds :unamused:
 
I'm good with this route. I don't miss long, flat ITTs, from a viewers' perspective they offer me nothing. I do like shortish TTTs because there's always a danger of crashes etc. But I get that most riders probably hate them. I'm also glad that the Massif Central figures prominently, if only for a change of scenery.

The last week is pretty traditional Alps, tbh. Just sub the AdH ITT from a few years ago for the BDBF one. The stage to Meribel looks really intriguing. It's very possible that the race will be decided in that final TT.

And without a TTT or flat ITT, I think it leaves the race much more wide open for someone like MAL or even Quintana or Bardet, as noted above, because they won't be in a 3 minute hole when the race hits the Alps or Pyrenees. It should also mean that Froome/Roglic/Dumoulin will have to initiate a mountain attack to get into yellow.

A lot of people calling it a mountain TT. But it really isnt't. The first 15km are flat. The next 15km are rolling. The last 5.8km is a climb. The Giro ITT this year was very simillar (though the climb was a bit longer and less steep of course). The 2017 Worlds ITT was also very simillar, with a 3km shorter climb. But all in all differences to those who dont like time trialing can still be pretty big (measured in minutes not seconds). Times will be around 53-54 minutes for the best. Which is longer than any TT this year except the worlds. Now it would help if it was like stage 12 and not 20. Since there would be even bigger differences. But I still expect the likes of Lopez, Quintana, Yates and to an extent Bernal (though he showed he is good in late stage TTs) to drop quite some time.
 
This route might not be that bad for Dumoulin and Roglic. There are no hard high altitude mountain stages and only a handful of very hard stages. The ITT is very similar to the Bergen WC course, only it is 5 Kms longer. Guess who dominated in Bergen? Big Tom, ahead of Roglic. This ITT is much better for them than a pan flat one.
Yes but big tam had built the seconds half of the season around that worlds TT....different matter doing it at the end of a grand tour when he’s fighting almost every day