2021-23 Emerging Riders CQ Game

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We are up to 30 teams now: it would still be good to have a last minute rush. I think/hope I have acknowledged receipt of all teams: if you sent me a team and I haven't replied, let me know.

I said end of January as a deadline, without being precise about which timezone. I believe the legal principle is that where there is ambiguity, the more generous interpretation is to be applied, so I guess that is midnight tonight in Hawaii or somewhere (Do we have any contributors in Samoa?).

So in effect you have until I get a chance to attend to it mid-morning UK time on Monday.
 
Just submitted - oh boy it was a tough one this year. Double whammy of not following the ins and outs of youth development as much in the last year, as well as not having that many races for developing riders to assess their strength relative to each other. Well, plus what was said above about their scores being depressed and more riders being eligible. Triple whammy!
 
We are up to 30 teams now: it would still be good to have a last minute rush. I think/hope I have acknowledged receipt of all teams: if you sent me a team and I haven't replied, let me know.

I said end of January as a deadline, without being precise about which timezone. I believe the legal principle is that where there is ambiguity, the more generous interpretation is to be applied, so I guess that is midnight tonight in Hawaii or somewhere (Do we have any contributors in Samoa?).

So in effect you have until I get a chance to attend to it mid-morning UK time on Monday.
I suspect one of the Alaska time zones is the most generous. No idea if we have anyone in Somoa, Hawaii or Alaska. We definitely have people on the west coast. :)
 
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Team submitted. I admit I didn't really follow the few u23 and junior races last year, so not expecting a high placing. Won't have anyone unique, hope I haven't missed anyone too obvious.
 
So here we go

OK, I think all inhabited zones of the planet have now reached the end of January.


36 teams in, which is about the level of participation this game has usually had. Great to welcome some new managers: always a pity to see some of the regulars not submit a team, but hopefully we will see them again.


There was only one ineligible rider nominated, and that was my fault (I had missed CQ's change if Debesay's forename from Yacob to Yakob, and so had omitted his 2018 points from my cumulative total, and erroneously listed him as eligible: thanks to the manager involved for amending his team quickly and with good grace): a couple of strange autotranslations, and a few misspellings and missing second surnames, but they were easily sorted. The two managers who imposed unnecessary restrictions on their selections both submitted more competitive second squads.


On those 36 teams we have 120 different riders: they can't all become superstars by the end of 2023, but hopefully some of them will have some impressive results over the three years.


So who has whom:

Amis Velo
ALEOTTI Giovanni
ARENSMAN Thymen
AYUSO PESQUERA Juan
BRENNER Marco
BRUNEL Alexys
CAMARGO PINEDA Diego Andres
COVI Alessandro
DEKKER David
DONOVAN Mark
JORGENSON Matteo
KONYCHEV Alexander
KOOIJ Olav
MORIN Emmanuel
RUBIO REYES Einer Augusto
SHEFFIELD Magnus
VAN WILDER Ilan
VANSEVENANT Mauri
WALLS Matthew


Armchair Cyclist
ALEOTTI Giovanni
ARDILA ORDOÑEZ Andres Camilo
ARENSMAN Thymen
BRENNER Marco
COLLEONI Kevin
CONCA Filippo *
DINA Marton
DONOVAN Mark
HÄNNINEN Jaakko
KONYCHEV Alexander
MILAN Jonathan
RIES Michel
RUBIO REYES Einer Augusto
SHEFFIELD Magnus
VACEK Karel
VAN WILDER Ilan
VANSEVENANT Mauri
ZUKOWSKY Nickolas *


Blues in the Bottle
ALEOTTI Giovanni
ARDILA ORDOÑEZ Andres Camilo
CAMARGO PINEDA Diego Andres
CEPEDA ORTIZ Jefferson Alexander
COLLEONI Kevin
COVI Alessandro
CULLAIGH Gabriel
DEKKER David
GARRISON Ian
KOOIJ Olav
RODRIGUEZ CANO Carlos
TEJADA CANACUE Harold Alfonso
VAN GILS Maxim
VANSEVENANT Mauri
VERMAERKE Kevin
VERVLOESEM Xandres
WILLIAMS Stephen *
WRIGHT Fred


Bminchow
ALEOTTI Giovanni
ARENSMAN Thymen
ARROYAVE CAÑAS Daniel
AYUSO PESQUERA Juan
BRENNER Marco
CAMARGO PINEDA Diego Andres
COVI Alessandro
DEKKER David
DONOVAN Mark
HÄNNINEN Jaakko
KOOIJ Olav
RODRIGUEZ CANO Carlos
RUBIO REYES Einer Augusto
TEJADA CANACUE Harold Alfonso
VAN WILDER Ilan
VANSEVENANT Mauri
VERMAERKE Kevin
VERVLOESEM Xandres


Comodoro
ALEOTTI Giovanni
ARENSMAN Thymen
BALLERSTEDT Maurice *
CAMARGO PINEDA Diego Andres
CARR Simon
COLLEONI Kevin
DEKKER David
KOOIJ Olav
LOPEZ GRANIZO Harold Martin
MÄRKL Niklas *
MONIQUET Sylvain *
QUINN Sean
VAN GILS Maxim
VANDENABEELE Henri
VANSEVENANT Mauri
VERMAERKE Kevin
VERVLOESEM Xandres
WALLS Matthew


Cordi
ARENSMAN Thymen
AYUSO PESQUERA Juan
BRENNER Marco
CAMARGO PINEDA Diego Andres
CARR Simon
COVI Alessandro
DONOVAN Mark
JORGENSON Matteo
KOOIJ Olav
RODRIGUEZ CANO Carlos
RUBIO REYES Einer Augusto
SCHELLING Ide
SHEFFIELD Magnus
TEJADA CANACUE Harold Alfonso
TULETT Ben
VAN WILDER Ilan
VANDENABEELE Henri
WALLS Matthew


Fivezzz
ALEOTTI Giovanni
ARDILA ORDOÑEZ Andres Camilo
ARENSMAN Thymen
BRENNER Marco
BRUNEL Alexys
COVI Alessandro
DEKKER David
DONOVAN Mark
GARRISON Ian
HÄNNINEN Jaakko
KOOIJ Olav
MORIN Emmanuel
OLDANI Stefano
RUBIO REYES Einer Augusto
TEJADA CANACUE Harold Alfonso
VANSEVENANT Mauri
VERMAERKE Kevin
ZWIEHOFF Ben


Greenedge
ARENSMAN Thymen
BUITRAGO SANCHEZ Santiago
CEPEDA ORTIZ Jefferson Alexander
DEKKER David
GARRISON Ian
JORGENSON Matteo
KOOIJ Olav
MORIN Emmanuel
OLDANI Stefano
PICCOLO Andrea
PLAPP Lucas
RODRIGUEZ CANO Carlos
RUBIO REYES Einer Augusto
TEJADA CANACUE Harold Alfonso
UMBA LOPEZ Abner Santiago
VAN WILDER Ilan
VANSEVENANT Mauri
WRIGHT Fred


Hugo Koblet
ALEOTTI Giovanni
ARDILA ORDOÑEZ Andres Camilo
ARENSMAN Thymen
BRENNER Marco
CAMARGO PINEDA Diego Andres
COLLEONI Kevin
COVI Alessandro
DEKKER David
KOOIJ Olav
MILAN Jonathan
PALZER Anton
PICCOLO Andrea
ROMO OLIVER Javier
TEJADA CANACUE Harold Alfonso
TIBERI Antonio
VAN WILDER Ilan
VANSEVENANT Mauri
VERMAERKE Kevin


Jakob747
ARENSMAN Thymen
BERWICK Sebastian
CEPEDA ORTIZ Jefferson Alexander
CHARMIG Anthon
DONOVAN Mark
FANCELLU Alessandro *
FISHER-BLACK Finn
GALVIS ATEHORTUA Oscar Duvian *
GOMEZ BECERRA German Dario *
HINDSGAUL MADSEN Jacob
KOOIJ Olav
LOPEZ GRANIZO Harold Martin
MERCHAN CARDONA Didier Norberto *
OBANDO Brayan *
PLAPP Lucas
SHEFFIELD Magnus
STRONG Corbin
TULETT Ben


Jon Ezeitza
ALEOTTI Giovanni
ARENSMAN Thymen
BRENNER Marco
BRUNEL Alexys
COLLEONI Kevin
COVI Alessandro
DEKKER David
DONOVAN Mark
GOOSSENS Kobe
JACOBS Johan
JORGENSON Matteo
OLDANI Stefano
SCHELLING Ide
TEJADA CANACUE Harold Alfonso
VAN WILDER Ilan
VANDENABEELE Henri
VANSEVENANT Mauri
WALLS Matthew


Josedin
ALBA BOLIVAR Juan Diego
BRENNER Marco
BUITRAGO SANCHEZ Santiago
CHAMPION Thomas
DEKKER David
KUBIS Lukas *
LEEMREIZE Gijs
PALZER Anton
ROMO OLIVER Javier
SWEENY Harrison *
TEJADA CANACUE Harold Alfonso
UMBA LOPEZ Abner Santiago
VAN GILS Maxim
VANSEVENANT Mauri
VIGO DEL ARCO Marti
VIVIANI Attilio *
WALLS Matthew
ZWIEHOFF Ben


JPettersen
ALEOTTI Giovanni
ARDILA ORDOÑEZ Andres Camilo
ARENSMAN Thymen
AYUSO PESQUERA Juan
BRENNER Marco
BURGAUDEAU Mathieu *
CAMARGO PINEDA Diego Andres
DEKKER David
GARRISON Ian
HÄNNINEN Jaakko
OLDANI Stefano
SKJELMOSE JENSEN Mattias *
SLEEN Torjus
TEJADA CANACUE Harold Alfonso
VAN WILDER Ilan
VANSEVENANT Mauri
WAERENSKJOLD Søren
WANDAHL Frederik


Karaev
ALEOTTI Giovanni
ARENSMAN Thymen
BERWICK Sebastian
BRENNER Marco
DEKKER David
GARRISON Ian
HÄNNINEN Jaakko
HERREGODTS Rune
HINDSGAUL MADSEN Jacob
KOOIJ Olav
MILAN Jonathan
TEJADA CANACUE Harold Alfonso
TIBERI Antonio
VAN GILS Maxim
VAN WILDER Ilan
VANSEVENANT Mauri
WALLS Matthew
WEEMAES Sasha


Kazistuta
ARDILA ORDOÑEZ Andres Camilo
ARENSMAN Thymen
ARROYAVE CAÑAS Daniel
BRENNER Marco
CAMARGO PINEDA Diego Andres
COVI Alessandro
DEKKER David
HÄNNINEN Jaakko
JONES Taj *
JORGENSON Matteo
KONYCHEV Alexander
KOOIJ Olav
OLDANI Stefano
SCHELLING Ide
TEJADA CANACUE Harold Alfonso
VAN WILDER Ilan
VANSEVENANT Mauri
VERMAERKE Kevin


Koronin
ARDILA ORDOÑEZ Andres Camilo
BALLESTEROS CANOVAS Miguel Angel *
CAMARGO PINEDA Diego Andres
CULLAIGH Gabriel
DONOVAN Mark
ELOSEGUI MOMEÑE Iñigo
GARRISON Ian
GONZALEZ RIVERA Abner
GUGLIELMI Simon *
HOLLMANN Juri *
JACOBS Johan
LOPEZ PEREZ Juan Pedro
MILAN Jonathan
MUÑOZ LANCHEROS Cristian Camilo *
PEÑALVER ANIORTE Manuel *
RODRIGUEZ CANO Carlos
ROMO OLIVER Javier
RUBIO REYES Einer Augusto


Kryvo
ALEOTTI Giovanni
ARENSMAN Thymen
BRENNER Marco
BRUNEL Alexys
CAMARGO PINEDA Diego Andres
COLLEONI Kevin
COVI Alessandro
DONOVAN Mark
JORGENSON Matteo
KOOIJ Olav
LOPEZ PEREZ Juan Pedro
RIES Michel
RODRIGUEZ CANO Carlos
ROMO OLIVER Javier
TIBERI Antonio
VAN WILDER Ilan
VANDENABEELE Henri
VIGO DEL ARCO Marti


Laarsland
ARDILA ORDOÑEZ Andres Camilo
ÄRM Rait *
BRUSSENSKIY Gleb
BUITRAGO SANCHEZ Santiago
COLLEONI Kevin
HÄNNINEN Jaakko
HESSMANN Michel *
HVIDEBERG Jonas Iversby *
JORGENSON Matteo
KOOIJ Olav
LUND ANDRESEN Tobias
MILAN Jonathan
OLDANI Stefano
PICCOLO Andrea
TEJADA CANACUE Harold Alfonso
TIBERI Antonio
VAN WILDER Ilan
VANSEVENANT Mauri


Leadbelly
BAYER Tobias *
BERWICK Sebastian
BOUCEK Jakub *
CHARMIG Anthon
DE LIE Arnaud *
EINHORN Itamar *
GARCIA PIERNA Raul *
HUYS Laurens *
JORGENSON Matteo
KOOIJ Olav
REPA Vojtech
REYNDERS Jens *
RODRIGUEZ CANO Carlos
ROMO OLIVER Javier
SHEFFIELD Magnus
STRONG Corbin
TULETT Ben
ZWIEHOFF Ben


Los Brolin
ARENSMAN Thymen
AYUSO PESQUERA Juan
BRENNER Marco
CAMARGO PINEDA Diego Andres
KOOIJ Olav
LUND ANDRESEN Tobias
MILAN Jonathan
PICCOLO Andrea
RODRIGUEZ CANO Carlos
SHEFFIELD Magnus
UMBA LOPEZ Abner Santiago
VACEK Mathias
VAN GILS Maxim
VAN WILDER Ilan
VANDENABEELE Henri
VERMAERKE Kevin
VERVLOESEM Xandres
WAERENSKJOLD Søren

Ludwigzgz
ARENSMAN Thymen
AYUSO PESQUERA Juan
BRENNER Marco
CAMARGO PINEDA Diego Andres
CARR Simon
COVI Alessandro
DONOVAN Mark
KOOIJ Olav
PICCOLO Andrea
RODRIGUEZ CANO Carlos
TEJADA CANACUE Harold Alfonso
TIBERI Antonio
TULETT Ben
UMBA LOPEZ Abner Santiago
VAN WILDER Ilan
VANDENABEELE Henri
WALLS Matthew
ZWIEHOFF Ben


LukasCPH
ALEOTTI Giovanni
BRENNER Marco
COVI Alessandro
DEKKER David
DINA Marton
GARCIA SOSA Jhojan Orlando *
HÄNNINEN Jaakko
HULGAARD Morten *
INKELAAR Kevin *
KOOIJ Olav
LOPEZ PEREZ Juan Pedro
OLDANI Stefano
RUBIO REYES Einer Augusto
SLEEN Torjus
TRAEEN Torstein *
VAN WILDER Ilan
VANSEVENANT Mauri
ZWIEHOFF Ben


Madrazo
ALEOTTI Giovanni
ARDILA ORDOÑEZ Andres Camilo
ARENSMAN Thymen
AYUSO PESQUERA Juan
BRENNER Marco
BRUNEL Alexys
CAMARGO PINEDA Diego Andres
CARR Simon
COVI Alessandro
DEKKER David
DONOVAN Mark
KOOIJ Olav
TEJADA CANACUE Harold Alfonso
UMBA LOPEZ Abner Santiago
VAN WILDER Ilan
VANSEVENANT Mauri
VIGO DEL ARCO Marti
WEEMAES Sasha


Muddy Waters
ALBA BOLIVAR Juan Diego
ARDILA ORDOÑEZ Andres Camilo
ARENSMAN Thymen
AYUSO PESQUERA Juan
BRENNER Marco
ELOSEGUI MOMEÑE Iñigo
FISHER-BLACK Finn
KONYCHEV Alexander
LOPEZ PEREZ Juan Pedro
PEAK Barnabas *
PICCOLO Andrea
RODRIGUEZ CANO Carlos
RUBIO REYES Einer Augusto
TIBERI Antonio
TULETT Ben
VACEK Karel
VAN GILS Maxim
VANSEVENANT Mauri


Nakazar
ALEOTTI Giovanni
ARENSMAN Thymen
AYUSO PESQUERA Juan
BRENNER Marco
DEKKER David
FISHER-BLACK Finn
JACOBS Johan
JORGENSON Matteo
KOOIJ Olav
MILAN Jonathan
RUBIO REYES Einer Augusto
SHEFFIELD Magnus
TEJADA CANACUE Harold Alfonso
TIBERI Antonio
UMBA LOPEZ Abner Santiago
VANDENABEELE Henri
VANSEVENANT Mauri
VERVLOESEM Xandres


Northerner
ALEOTTI Giovanni
AYUSO PESQUERA Juan
BRENNER Marco
BRUNEL Alexys
CAMARGO PINEDA Diego Andres
COLLEONI Kevin
DEKKER David
JACOBS Johan
JORGENSON Matteo
KOOIJ Olav
SHEFFIELD Magnus
TEJADA CANACUE Harold Alfonso
TIBERI Antonio
VAN GILS Maxim
VAN WILDER Ilan
VANDENABEELE Henri
VANSEVENANT Mauri
VERVLOESEM Xandres

Nyssinator
ALEOTTI Giovanni
ARDILA ORDOÑEZ Andres Camilo
ARENSMAN Thymen
BRENNER Marco
BRUNEL Alexys
COLLEONI Kevin
COVI Alessandro
DEKKER David
DONOVAN Mark
GARRISON Ian
JACOBS Johan
KOOIJ Olav
OLDANI Stefano
PLAPP Lucas
TIBERI Antonio
VAN WILDER Ilan
VANSEVENANT Mauri
WALLS Matthew


Otoxiep87
ALEOTTI Giovanni
ARENSMAN Thymen
BRENNER Marco
BRUNEL Alexys
CAMARGO PINEDA Diego Andres
COLLEONI Kevin
DEKKER David
GOOSSENS Kobe
HÄNNINEN Jaakko
JORGENSON Matteo
KOOIJ Olav
MILAN Jonathan
ROMO OLIVER Javier
RUBIO REYES Einer Augusto
SCHELLING Ide
TEJADA CANACUE Harold Alfonso
VAN WILDER Ilan
VERMAERKE Kevin


Ray10
ASKEY Lewis *
BRENNER Marco
BUITRAGO SANCHEZ Santiago
COVI Alessandro
DEKKER David
DRIZNERS Jarrad *
FISHER-BLACK Finn
KOOIJ Olav
LEEMREIZE Gijs
PRODHOMME Nicolas *
QUINN Sean
REPA Vojtech
RODRIGUEZ CANO Carlos
SHEFFIELD Magnus
VAN WILDER Ilan
VANSEVENANT Mauri
VERMAERKE Kevin
WALLS Matthew


Rote Laterne
ALEOTTI Giovanni
ARENSMAN Thymen
AYUSO PESQUERA Juan
BRENNER Marco
BRUNEL Alexys
CHAMPION Thomas
COVI Alessandro
DEKKER David
JACOBS Johan
JORGENSON Matteo
KOOIJ Olav
PARET-PEINTRE Valentin *
PICCOLO Andrea
SCHELLING Ide
SHEFFIELD Magnus
TIBERI Antonio
TULETT Ben
VAN WILDER Ilan


Rufs
ARENSMAN Thymen
AYUSO PESQUERA Juan
BRENNER Marco
CAMARGO PINEDA Diego Andres
COLNAGHI Luca *
COVI Alessandro
DEKKER David
DONOVAN Mark
GOOSSENS Kobe
HERREGODTS Rune
JORGENSON Matteo
KOOIJ Olav
VAN WILDER Ilan
VANDENABEELE Henri
VERMAERKE Kevin
VERVLOESEM Xandres
WALLS Matthew
WRIGHT Fred


SafeBet
ALEOTTI Giovanni
ARENSMAN Thymen
AYUSO PESQUERA Juan
BRENNER Marco
BUITRAGO SANCHEZ Santiago
COVI Alessandro
DEKKER David
JORGENSON Matteo
KOOIJ Olav
PLAPP Lucas
RODRIGUEZ CANO Carlos
RUBIO REYES Einer Augusto
SCHELLING Ide
TIBERI Antonio
TULETT Ben
UMBA LOPEZ Abner Santiago
VAN WILDER Ilan
VERMAERKE Kevin


Scrooll07
ALEOTTI Giovanni
ARENSMAN Thymen
BRENNER Marco
BRUNEL Alexys
CARR Simon
DEKKER David
DONOVAN Mark
GONZALEZ RIVERA Abner
JORGENSON Matteo
LEEMREIZE Gijs
ROMO OLIVER Javier
TEJADA CANACUE Harold Alfonso
TIBERI Antonio
VANSEVENANT Mauri
VERMAERKE Kevin
VERVLOESEM Xandres
WALLS Matthew
WANDAHL Frederik


Skidmark
ARDILA ORDOÑEZ Andres Camilo
ARENSMAN Thymen
BERWICK Sebastian
BUITRAGO SANCHEZ Santiago
CAMARGO PINEDA Diego Andres
CARR Simon
COVI Alessandro
DEKKER David
GALVAN FERNANDEZ Francisco *
JACOBS Johan
KONYCHEV Alexander
KOOIJ Olav
OLDANI Stefano
SHEFFIELD Magnus
TEJADA CANACUE Harold Alfonso
TULETT Ben
UMBA LOPEZ Abner Santiago
VERVLOESEM Xandres


Vladimir
ALEOTTI Giovanni
APERS Ruben *
ARENSMAN Thymen
BRENNER Marco
BRUSSENSKIY Gleb
FISHER-BLACK Finn
HÄNNINEN Jaakko
JORGENSON Matteo
MAYRHOFER Marius *
MILAN Jonathan
MURGUIALDAY ELORZA Jokin *
PICCOLO Andrea
TEJADA CANACUE Harold Alfonso
TIBERI Antonio
UMBA LOPEZ Abner Santiago
VAN WILDER Ilan
VERMAERKE Kevin
ZAMBANINI Edoardo *


Yellow Knight
ARDILA ORDOÑEZ Andres Camilo
ARENSMAN Thymen
AYUSO PESQUERA Juan
BERWICK Sebastian
BRENNER Marco
CAMARGO PINEDA Diego Andres
COLLEONI Kevin
DONOVAN Mark
JORGENSON Matteo
KOOIJ Olav
MILAN Jonathan
RODRIGUEZ CANO Carlos
TIBERI Antonio
VACEK Mathias
VANDENABEELE Henri
VERMAERKE Kevin
VERVLOESEM Xandres
ZWIEHOFF Ben

The * asterisk indicates unique picks.
 
Rider popularity
A three way tie for the most popular rider (I don't think we have seen that before): Brenner had an early lead, Arensman caught up and the lead changed quite a bit as teams came in: Kooij was on enough late teams that omitted one or both of those to catch up very late in the process.

28 of 36 teams: ARENSMAN Thymen, BRENNER Marco, KOOIJ Olav
24: DEKKER David, VAN WILDER Ilan
22: VANSEVENANT Mauri
21: ALEOTTI Giovanni
20: TEJADA CANACUE Harold Alfonso
18: CAMARGO PINEDA Diego Andres, COVI Alessandro
17: JORGENSON Matteo
15: DONOVAN Mark
14: AYUSO PESQUERA Juan, TIBERI Antonio, VERMAERKE Kevin
13: ARDILA ORDOÑEZ Andres Camilo, RODRIGUEZ CANO Carlos
12: RUBIO REYES Einer Augusto
And the 18 riders on a dozen or more teams comprise to Collective Wisdom team
11: COLLEONI Kevin, SHEFFIELD Magnus, WALLS Matthew
10: BRUNEL Alexys, HÄNNINEN Jaakko, MILAN Jonathan, VANDENABEELE Henri, VERVLOESEM Xandres
9: OLDANI Stefano, UMBA LOPEZ Abner Santiago
8: PICCOLO Andrea, TULETT Ben
7: GARRISON Ian, JACOBS Johan, ROMO OLIVER Javier, VAN GILS Maxim
6: BUITRAGO SANCHEZ Santiago, CARR Simon, SCHELLING Ide, ZWIEHOFF Ben
5: BERWICK Sebastian, FISHER-BLACK Finn, KONYCHEV Alexander
4: LOPEZ PEREZ Juan Pedro, PLAPP Lucas
3: CEPEDA ORTIZ Jefferson Alexander, GOOSSENS Kobe, LEEMREIZE Gijs, MORIN Emmanuel, VIGO DEL ARCO Marti, WRIGHT Fred
2: ALBA BOLIVAR Juan Diego, ARROYAVE CAÑAS Daniel, BRUSSENSKIY Gleb, CHAMPION Thomas, CHARMIG Anthon, CULLAIGH Gabriel, DINA Marton, ELOSEGUI MOMEÑE Iñigo, GONZALEZ RIVERA Abner, HERREGODTS Rune, HINDSGAUL MADSEN Jacob, LOPEZ GRANIZO Harold Martin, LUND ANDRESEN Tobias, PALZER Anton, QUINN Sean, REPA Vojtech, RIES Michel, SLEEN Torjus, STRONG Corbin, VACEK Karel, VACEK Mathias, WAERENSKJOLD Søren, WANDAHL Frederik, WEEMAES Sasha

And there should be 47 asterisked unique picks in the list above this one.

I think the Vaceks are only the second pair of brothers to be in an edition of the game: I doubt they will score as well as the Yates, but I hope they are not total failures as I have one of them. We also have younger siblings of the Viviani, Paret-Peintre and Garrison families represented.

All of Lucas Plapp's selections came after his Wilunga Hill exploits, though he got no points for that as it was a national series level race. Although a few other points have been gained before entries closed (I will hope to do the first points posting this evening, household duties permitting), I didn't notice them creating any surge in naming anyone.

Popularity ranking
Totalling up those popularity scores for each team, we get
TeamPopularity pointsUnique picks
1Bminchow
321​
0
2HugoKoblet
310​
0
3AmisVelo
309​
0
4Madrazo
300​
0
5Northerner
296​
0
6Nyssinator
294​
0
7Otoxiep87
291​
0
8Nakazar
290​
0
9Fivezzz
288​
0
9SafeBet
288​
0
11Cordi
287​
0
11Kazistuta
287​
1
13JonEzeitza
284​
0
14Ludwigzgz
278​
0
15Kryvo
271​
0
16RoteLaterne
269​
1
17Rufs
268​
1
18Karaev
265​
0
19YellowKnight
256​
0
20Scrooll07
254​
0
21JPettersen
246​
2
22Greenedge
240​
0
23LosBrolin
238​
0
24Blues_in_the_Bottle
235​
1
25Skidmark
226​
1
26Armchair_Cyclist
218​
2
27Comodoro
217​
3
28LukasCPH
214​
4
28Ray10
214​
3
28Vladimir
214​
4
31Laarsland
199​
3
32MuddyWaters
188​
1
33Josedin
155​
3
34Jakob747
120​
5
35Koronin
117​
5
36Leadbelly
108​
7
CollectiveWisdom
343​
CollectiveIgnorance
0​
MainGame2021
310​

Bminchow (who virtually swept the board in CQ games in 2020) complained that he had no idea how to go about picking a team for this one (his first time here), and then sent in a team that tops the popularity table.

Other than the Collective Wisdom team described above, there is as previously a Collective Ignorance team, which will constantly change its make-up through the game as the best 18 riders that we could have had but all overlooked: expect that team to be far and away the best team early on, and finally to finish around mid-table.
You will notice another non-manager picked team: I have pooled together the riders eligible for this who were most frequently chosen in the 2021 season CQ game just to see how they do. All of them are fairly popular in this game, but 4 of them did not make the Collective Wisdom team. It would reflect well on those in the main game if this group scores very well in year 1, and well on those in this game if it then drops a bit in the table, at least below Collective Wisdom, thereafter.

I need to go out now: will probably come up with a few more numbers later.
 
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Go on, be quick, and make a pinky swear that you were not influenced by what you have seen here this afternoon.

And promise not to win;)
I really appreciate the leniency!

I can't promise not to top the popularity table though. I'm actually quite close to the collective wisdom team, I think (do have a unique pick though). But if anyone wants proof that I don't cheat, I do have my team in an excel sheet which hasn't been modified since 8th of January (file properties). No problem making a quick screen capture video of me opening it, should someone wish it.

Anyway, if you chuck these guys into the game, I'll be happy!

COVI Alessandro
HELLEMOSE Asbjørn
ZWIEHOFF Ben
DEKKER David
CAMARGO PINEDA Diego Andres
RUBIO REYES Einer Augusto
ALEOTTI Giovanni
TEJADA CANACUE Harold Alfonso
AYUSO PESQUERA Juan
VAN WILDER Ilan
BRENNER Marco
DONOVAN Mark
WALLS Matthew
VANSEVENANT Mauri
WEEMAES Sasha
KOOIJ Olav
ARENSMAN Thymen
BERWICK Sebastian

Was planning to sub in Ardila for someone (probably for Donovan), but I won't push my luck, and will stick with the team in the excel sheet! :D
 
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I don't understand how Olav KOOIJ escaped me. I did not have it among the eligible, when in the last list I had included 41 names. Bad start, which makes it very difficult for me to achieve the fourth place that I got last year with the 2020-22 team :mad:.
 
Thanks for all your work, armchair! Seems like my team is second on the popularity ranking, which honestly isn't that surprising to me (I think I'm usually at the top also). I wanted to make room for Donovan and Ayuso as well, but couldn't quite do that. Ayuso was in my team for a long time, but in the end I dropped him as I think it might be a year too early to pick him (one year at Colpak and at least one year to settle on the WT for UAE). I think for sure he's a bigger talent than some riders on my team, though.

Good luck to everyone!
 
Although a few other points have been gained before entries closed (I will hope to do the first points posting this evening, household duties permitting), I didn't notice them creating any surge in naming anyone.
Well... I am sure that all those managers who have chosen Kiko Galvan have done so after his race yesterday at La Marsellaise :hearteyecat::kissingcat::smilecat:
 
Squire makes a late entry at 4th in the popularity table, and puts Amis Velo above Hakkie for 2nd. His selection doesn't change the Collective Wisdom squad, or the three way tie at the top, but does remove Asbjorn Hellemose from eligibility for the Collective Ignorance team.
 
Very difficult choises this year with so many cheap neoproriders from last year that normally would have been too expensive now after a normal season, and then also a lot of jokers comming from other sports all very tempting to pick but all also very risky like Zwiehoff, Palzer, Romo and Vigo where I ended up only going for Vigo, despite his injury, as he seemed the most hyped with most chances to ride for himself, and since his team sounded like they had expected a topresult from him in his first race if not for the injury. Then some extremely talented 18 year old riders like Umba and Ayusu that normally are too young, but with so great talents that I did not dare not to selct them. Ayusos junior results last year were just brutal and almost reminds me of Valverdes spanish juniordominance and Umbas debut was just so impressive besides the usual next-Bernal hype so he had to get a spot too, and also since he should be allowed to ride a lot for himself on his team.

In the end I also made a change just before the deadline after GP Marsaillaise where Simon Carr was so impressive he had to get a spot. In the end he got Carlos Rodriguez spot despite his great talent, since both him also focussing a lot on his education and him riding for Ineos where it will be some years until he should get to lead anything should be too much of a handicap to become a must. It could also have been Ardilas spot, after his hirrible 2000 season, but I did not dare drop him.

My rarest pick was also one of my last picks with Weemaes, and he was momentaraly also the guy I dropped for Carr after his OTL in GP Marsaillaise, but in the end he got his spot afterall, as I expect him to be Topsports new nr 1 sprinter the next years and since he sounded like the team believed a lot in him for the comming years and also since he in his first years have been handicapped also by injury and a now stopped trackfocus. And with the other sprinters gone from Topsport and new sprinters like Arne Marit stating he was begind him in the hierarchi I feel optimistisc about a lot of easy points for him despite maybe picking him over some more talented riders.

The solid obvious pick Jorgenson was my next reserve, but did not exite me enough, and I was also very tempted by the 2 belgians climbers Vandenabeele and Vervloesem but with many belgian climbers often a bit slow to develop I figured they were too young.
 
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With the inclusion of Squire, and correction of a mistake that I had made on Madrazo, here is the corrected popularity table.

1Bminchow
334​
015
2AmisVelo
322​
013
3HugoKoblet
320​
013
4Madrazo
316​
013
5Squire
314​
113
6Northerner
305​
011
7Nyssinator
304​
011
8Otoxiep87
300​
011
9Fivezzz
299​
012
9Nakazar
299​
011
11Cordi
298​
012
12SafeBet
297​
013
13Kazistuta
296​
112
14JonEzeitza
294​
010
15Ludwigzgz
289​
011
16Kryvo
279​
011
17Rufs
278​
111
18RoteLaterne
277​
110
19Karaev
276​
09
20YellowKnight
264​
011
21Scrooll07
262​
010
22JPettersen
255​
210
23Greenedge
247​
09
24LosBrolin
244​
08
25Blues_in_the_Bottle
242​
110
26Skidmark
233​
17
27Armchair_Cyclist
225​
28
28Comodoro
224​
37
29LukasCPH
223​
48
30Ray10
221​
38
31Vladimir
219​
48
32Laarsland
203​
37
33MuddyWaters
193​
18
34Josedin
161​
34
35Jakob747
124​
53
36Koronin
120​
55
37Leadbelly
111​
73
CollectiveWisdom
356​
018
CollectiveIgnorance
0​
180
MainGame2021
322​
014
 
With the inclusion of Squire, and correction of a mistake that I had made on Madrazo, here is the corrected popularity table.

Popularity pointsUnique picksRiders on CW team
1Bminchow
334​
015
2AmisVelo
322​
013
3HugoKoblet
320​
013
4Madrazo
316​
013
5Squire
314​
113
6Northerner
305​
011
7Nyssinator
304​
011
8Otoxiep87
300​
011
9Fivezzz
299​
012
9Nakazar
299​
011
11Cordi
298​
012
12SafeBet
297​
013
13Kazistuta
296​
112
14JonEzeitza
294​
010
15Ludwigzgz
289​
011
16Kryvo
279​
011
17Rufs
278​
111
18RoteLaterne
277​
110
19Karaev
276​
09
20YellowKnight
264​
011
21Scrooll07
262​
010
22JPettersen
255​
210
23Greenedge
247​
09
24LosBrolin
244​
08
25Blues_in_the_Bottle
242​
110
26Skidmark
233​
17
27Armchair_Cyclist
225​
28
28Comodoro
224​
37
29LukasCPH
223​
48
30Ray10
221​
38
31Vladimir
219​
48
32Laarsland
203​
37
33MuddyWaters
193​
18
34Josedin
161​
34
35Jakob747
124​
53
36Koronin
120​
55
37Leadbelly
111​
73
CollectiveWisdom
356​
018
CollectiveIgnorance
0​
180
MainGame2021
322​
014

That last column is the hint that I have set up a team similarity tab. Other than Bminchow's 15 man overlap with the Collective Wisdom team, the highest correlations are:

14 riders in common: Cordi-Ludwigzgz
13: Amis Velo-Squire
Bminchow-Squire
Jon Ezietza-Nyssinator
Madrazo-Squire
Nakazar-Northern
and the 5 teams noted above who share 13 of the Collective Wisdom list.



Pre-game points
Each rider is allowed 199 points and still be permitted in the game, so in theory a team could legitimately have 3582 points. These numbers mean very little, but maybe show the propensity of a manager to go for riders who have already shown themselves in the pro ranks a bit, or conversely, whether they are willing to invest in riders who might only come through in years 2 and 3.

1LukasCPH
2446​
2Fivezzz
2115​
3JonEzeitza
2112​
4Nyssinator
1920​
5AmisVelo
1898​
6Otoxiep87
1873​
7Armchair_Cyclist
1857​
8Kazistuta
1793​
9Blues_in_the_Bottle
1751​
10Karaev
1731​
11Squire
1728​
12Greenedge
1721​
13Madrazo
1680​
13JPettersen
1680​
15Kryvo
1672​
16Bminchow
1577​
17Skidmark
1553​
18Cordi
1520​
19Rufs
1496​
20Koronin
1479​
21RoteLaterne
1451​
22SafeBet
1416​
23Northerner
1389​
24Laarsland
1380​
25Scrooll07
1337​
26Comodoro
1315​
27HugoKoblet
1295​
28Nakazar
1218​
29MuddyWaters
1193​
30Ludwigzgz
1145​
31Ray10
1142​
32Vladimir
999​
33YellowKnight
954​
34Josedin
953​
35Leadbelly
952​
36Jakob747
907​
37LosBrolin
708​
CollectiveWisdom
1547​
CollectiveIgnorance
n/a​
MainGame2021
1506​
 
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Armchair offers us some very interesting data and with them I discover that I have a twin player in this game: Nyssinator. Well, I'll be friends with this boy, because if he goes well I will too :beercheers:.
 
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Year 1, month 1 to 31 January 2021

Because all the entry stats are meaningless unless they get some race points
STRONG Corbin
37​
2​
GC win and stage pts in NZ Cycle Classic and 5th in Gravel & Tar
GALVAN FERNANDEZ Francisco
36​
1​
4th in La Marseillaise
FISHER-BLACK Finn
32​
5​
GC 2nd and stage pts in NZ Cycle Classic and 4th in Gravel & Tar
UMBA LOPEZ Abner Santiago
12​
9​
4th on GC and stage podium in Tachira

Standings

1​
Jakob74769
2​
Skidmark48
3​
Nakazar44
3​
Vladimir44
5​
Leadbelly37
6​
MuddyWaters32
6​
Ray1032
8​
Greenedge12
8​
Josedin12
8​
LosBrolin12
8​
Ludwigzgz12
8​
Madrazo12
8​
SafeBet12
14​
The rest0
CollectiveWisdom0
CollectiveIgnorance217


This is probably just jostling for a place in the breakaway on stage one of a GT: it will be a while before we see who the main challengers will be.

Spreadsheet
 
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Very difficult choises this year with so many cheap neoproriders from last year that normally would have been too expensive now after a normal season, and then also a lot of jokers comming from other sports all very tempting to pick but all also very risky like Zwiehoff, Palzer, Romo and Vigo where I ended up only going for Vigo, despite his injury, as he seemed the most hyped with most chances to ride for himself, and since his team sounded like they had expected a topresult from him in his first race if not for the injury. Then some extremely talented 18 year old riders like Umba and Ayusu that normally are too young, but with so great talents that I did not dare not to selct them. Ayusos junior results last year were just brutal and almost reminds me of Valverdes spanish juniordominance and Umbas debut was just so impressive besides the usual next-Bernal hype so he had to get a spot too, and also since he should be allowed to ride a lot for himself on his team.
This really shows how my attention has dropped off a bit lately. Had I checked the results (and age) of Umba, he would have been in my team. Barely 18 and 4th in Tachira! And strong results in Europe as a 1st year junior. When I'm not paying attention, I think I'm blind to the Savio hype. Vigo, on the other hand, seems a bit too much of a wildcard for me. Though I have to admit I hardly researched him at all. I'm getting lazy.

I did at least notice Ayuso's crazy season! :cool:
 
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then also a lot of jokers comming from other sports all very tempting to pick but all also very risky like Zwiehoff, Palzer, Romo and Vigo where I ended up only going for Vigo, despite his injury, as he seemed the most hyped with most chances to ride for himself
I didn't take anyone of this 4 as I think they have a lot to prove still... But the one with wich I'm most hyped is clearly Romo, astounding talent that has already show himself in 2020 at Spanish amateur races. He gave a sensation of dominance for an absolute newcomer that was very ramarkable, in his first ever race already in the front and helping his teammate win, in his second race winning the u23 nationals in big fashion with a long solo, after that he was already one of the most followed wheels of the circuit. . He also was previously a big talent in triatlon.

But you know, anyway he's arriving at WT after only a couple of months cycling. His ceiling is very high, but how he'll adapt to WT? What role will he get in his first seasons? Seems to me like potentially a great allrounder, but maybe not an specialist...

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About Carr, I didn't see him last sunday, but I've been following him closely since his great performances in Spain in 2019. His win in Bidasoa and Navarra, showing big climbing legs, caught my interest. He later would win Valencia, top10 Savoie, great impression as a stagiere in Norway... Still didn't choose him for 2020 as there's only 18 places, but after this year Volta a Portugal, he was a must.
 
I didn't take anyone of this 4 as I think they have a lot to prove still... But the one with wich I'm most hyped is clearly Romo, astounding talent that has already show himself in 2020 at Spanish amateur races. He gave a sensation of dominance for an absolute newcomer that was very ramarkable, in his first ever race already in the front and helping his teammate win, in his second race winning the u23 nationals in big fashion with a long solo, after that he was already one of the most followed wheels of the circuit. . He also was previously a big talent in triatlon.

But you know, anyway he's arriving at WT after only a couple of months cycling. His ceiling is very high, but how he'll adapt to WT? What role will he get in his first seasons? Seems to me like potentially a great allrounder, but maybe not an specialist...

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About Carr, I didn't see him last sunday, but I've been following him closely since his great performances in Spain in 2019. His win in Bidasoa and Navarra, showing big climbing legs, caught my interest. He later would win Valencia, top10 Savoie, great impression as a stagiere in Norway... Still didn't choose him for 2020 as there's only 18 places, but after this year Volta a Portugal, he was a must.
At the most crucial point in GP Marsaillaise he was the only one able to follow Tim Wellens' attack, and then he also attacked again later on after they got caught so it was very impressive and for me it was needed to get picked even after a solid Tour Portugal.

In my research before that I had also noticed the good results in the spanish amateurstageraces you mention, so all in all he looks very promessing and a background in a french amateur team also worked very well for Adam Yates for instance.

Yes Romo sounds very interesting also but as you mention is a big risk. I do also think the teamroles were mostly what held me back on him and also Zwiehoff and Palzer (where they spoke a lot about them becomming mountaindomenstics) compared to Vigo that should get more chances for himself early on if he is as good as hoped.
 
This really shows how my attention has dropped off a bit lately. Had I checked the results (and age) of Umba, he would have been in my team. Barely 18 and 4th in Tachira! And strong results in Europe as a 1st year junior. When I'm not paying attention, I think I'm blind to the Savio hype. Vigo, on the other hand, seems a bit too much of a wildcard for me. Though I have to admit I hardly researched him at all. I'm getting lazy.

I did at least notice Ayuso's crazy season! :cool:
Ayusos season was crazy indeed, almost more dominant in Spain than Evenepol was in the international juniorscene. But good thing you did not get to finish all your research so our teams did not get even more similar. Its almost every time our teams are the most similar it seems so we must think a lot alike. I like that you picked Weemaes too, so I feel better about that rare pick !

Vigo was a wild card indeed, but I think I just also felt I had to go for one total wildcard, where the 4 guys from other sports were the options, and he was the guy where the hype got me the most even though the Savio-hype might be fading generally. He might become a flop but for sure he will get his chances if he is good unlike someone like Carlos Rodriquez for instance and that would perhaps be more frustrating. I was also very tempted by your pick Zwiehoff though especially after him beating Roglic in that recent E-sport-matchup :) He will for sure also be interesting to follow.
 
But good thing you did not get to finish all your research so our teams did not get even more similar. Its almost every time our teams are the most similar it seems so we must think a lot alike.
So between us it's gonna be about:


ARDILA ORDOÑEZ Andres Camilo
BRUNEL Alexys
CARR Simon
UMBA LOPEZ Abner Santiago
VIGO DEL ARCO Marti

vs.

HELLEMOSE Asbjørn
ZWIEHOFF Ben
RUBIO REYES Einer Augusto
WALLS Matthew
BERWICK Sebastian

Must say I'm not too confident there. Ardila and Umba would both probably have been in my team if I had not forgotten about this game for a couple of weeks. Brunel was in my team at some point, but then I watched a video of his Besseges win, and it was from a (admittedly impressive) solo attack, so it became less of a predictor of a good future in my eyes. He's actually been on my radar since he was a junior, but he hasn't really followed up as an U23 and a pro.

The only one I'm really happy that you don't have is Rubio. I think he is quite underrated.
 

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