Giro d'Italia 2021 Giro d'Italia, Stage 17: Canazei - Sega di Ala 193 km

[ice&fire]

100% agree about Bernal. In last years Tour, when his back forced him to abandon, the issues also started with him slightly underperforming in the pyrenees then losing some but not a lot of time in the massif central before the total collapse on the Grand Bernard. This is massively worrying for Bernal fans. Not necessarily for Bernal himself since he will likely know the reason for his weak performance today, but then again considering how gutted he was looking at the interview he might not be overly happy about the reason either.

He did perfectly fine in the Pyrenees. He started to fade in the Pas de Peyrol MTF, two days before Gran Colombier

 

[limak_]

With Martinez there and Yates 4+minutes behind it made little sense for Bernal to respond if he was not feeling super good.

It could be something very simple like being too confident, but that was very strange.

I think it was just an instinctive reaction from him. He saw that Yates went and hopped to his wheel without anylysing, just like on Zoncolan. And then he just tried to hold on, maybe not expected Yates to be that strong on those gradients.

 

[memyselfandI]

I did not expect him to be this strong.

15 days in a pink is something that most of skilled GT contenders can't never reach and he's done that already. Throughbred racehorse.

 

[HelloDolly]

Some riders are very poor after a rest day . I know bardet was doing intervals yesterday as feared the rest day blues

 

[Bolder]

I feel bad for Ciccone and Trek -- super bad luck. And for Remco; still love his fighting spirit and I think he'll bounce back later this season. Maybe some training wheels, though (I kid, I kid -- he'll figure it out)

Carthy was the biggest disappointment today. Bardet I figured had a 50/50 chance of doing nothing or something, but I was sure Hugh John was going to go for it on the steep bits.

 

[ciranda]

That has to be Martin's best win. He has always seemed like a defensive guy that waited for the final kilometres for a five/sometimes ten minute turbo effort, don't remember long range attacks. But Remco would have won the stage if not for the crash.

 

[jaylew]

Crazy that Almeida put 17 seconds into Yates.

 

[limak_]

Crazy that Almeida put 17 seconds into Yates.

That "flatter" section before the finish was very beneficial for him I think

 

[Red Rick]

Looks like only Almeida was faster than 2013 Nibali.

 

[Eclipse]

That "flatter" section before the finish was very beneficial for him I think

You saw it several times, he'd get distanced and then as it levelled he was capable of making a good effort into a stronger tempo on the flat stuff that helped him close the gaps. Managed his pacing very well (again).

 

[roundabout]

15 days in a pink is something that most of skilled GT contenders can't never reach and he's done that already. Throughbred racehorse.

I think people judged Almeida using the Stelvio stage (where he still finished 7th) with less weight being given to the Piancavallo drag race and Sestriere where he was pretty much best of the non ET people.

 

[jaylew]

That has to be Martin's best win. He has always seemed like a defensive guy that waited for the final kilometres for a five/sometimes ten minute turbo effort, don't remember long range attacks.

Only if you think best = long range. For me, I'd put a few others ahead of this one.

 

[roundabout]

I think Martin won the Volta with a long range attack

 

[Gigs_98]

Concerning Ulissi, while this was indeed strange, it's really not the first time he has a superb one off climbing performance where he is suddenly up there with the gc contenders. For example he finished 4th in that stage to Rissoul in 2016, where Kruijswijk crashed and Nibali turned the Giro upside down. I guess he got into the position to make that ride because he was in the break but he still only climbed Rissoul a minute slower than Nibali, 10 seconds slower than Chaves and faster than all gc contenders from the group behind like Valverde, Majka or Uran. Also in 2014 he won a 1st category mtf from the peloton but that was more due to the categorization being ridiculous and the racing pathetic.

 

[Mayomaniac]

Looks like only Almeida was faster than 2013 Nibali.

So only Almeida and Yates climbed faster than Santambrogio, right?

 

[Red Rick]

So only Almeida and Yates climbed faster than Santambrogio, right?

Looks like it.

It's not very clear cause of the extra 300m they did today.

 

[Froome]

Will Quickstep let him ride the Vuelta, I wonder?

#freejoaoalmeida.

 

[broppo]

bernal's giro is over, they should move over to Martinez as their leading man. kinda similar to Kelderman's breakdown last year's giro. he will lose 12 minutes in stage 19.

 

[movingtarget]

I think Martin won the Volta with a long range attack

He did.

 

[DoYouEvenRideBruh]

Ulissi just thought this was stage 18.

 

[roundabout]

That "flatter" section before the finish was very beneficial for him I think

15 seconds in 1km at 5.5% vs the next strongest rider was a lot. I guess in addition to it being easier, his pacing once again meant that he had much more left in the tank

 

[Mayomaniac]

Looks like it.

It's not very clear cause of the extra 300m they did today.

Yeah, that makes it hard to compare.

 

[Rollthedice]

Looks like only Almeida was faster than 2013 Nibali.

The only rider with Yates who put in today a GT podium worthy performance. Explains Martin's win from the break and Ulissi hanging on. Nibali 2013 was a prep race.

 

[Panda Claws]

15 days in a pink is something that most of skilled GT contenders can't never reach and he's done that already. Throughbred racehorse.

See I actually don't value the number of days that highly. In part it all comes down to parcours and how the race develops. Overall while that performance was promising I think that was kind of a peculiar Giro. Almeida's performance was impressive but not because of how long he held the jersey imo.

Keep in mind that he only grabbed it by being less than 1s ahead of the breakaway. But I can grant that Almeida would have taken it over a few stages later anyway. But mostly Almeida's run in pink got greatly aided by Wilco Kelderman being bad in the prologue. Like really wtf happened there. If Kelderman rides a decent prologue for his level than Almeida's run in pink may have been shortened quite a bit.

Anyway whole point is that I find looking at amount of days in pink a bit too results based. Because of how much variance there is to how hard it is to keep the jersey and the luck that can enter into play.

 

[limak_]

Moscon finished together with Bardet after the whole day in a breakaway and then pulling for Bernal