Nothing wrong with that - The Giro has the terrain to mix up it's courses - Lets be creative.Starting to look like Vuelta d'Italia to me.
Nothing wrong with that - The Giro has the terrain to mix up it's courses - Lets be creative.Starting to look like Vuelta d'Italia to me.
The Vuelta, most of the time, isn't creative at all. That's where the problem lies.Nothing wrong with that - The Giro has the terrain to mix up it's courses - Lets be creative.
Oh yes, that stage will probably look a lot like that. The problem is that they try the same formula (flat before 3 final climbs) before nearly all the mountain stages, the Giro is usually more creative than that.I know, but this is actually the profile you get with climbing from Campodolcino to Motta di Sotto. At least from San Bernardino onwards, that is.
It's the sort of format that's very vanilla that 90% of the time comes down to the final climb because the ordering of the final climbs is almost always such. Both the big MTFs in the Tour were like that last year, as is the main MTF this year.Oh yes, that stage will probably look a lot like that. The problem is that they try the same formula (flat before 3 final climbs) before nearly all the mountain stages, the Giro is usually more creative than that.
Yep, the possibilities for variation in the Giro is close to endless. A Giro could contain every type of high mountain, medium mountain and hilly stages. The options are much better than in the Tour and Vuelta. Especially for mountain stages that could encourage attacks from far out......The Giro has the terrain to mix up it's courses - Lets be creative.
I prefer the way the Vuelta sets up its courses - Some hilly/mountainous stages early on ( even in the first stage ) then a similar TT always around stage 12 - It's perfect.The Vuelta, most of the time, isn't creative at all. That's where the problem lies.
Well the original stage 18 and 20 from last year were both crazy hard so it wouldn't be beyond them.I know. But there are some limitations if you assume start and finish towns. Especially the Cortina and Sega di Ala stages will be very long if you add extra climbs in addition to those viewed in LFR's design, ~220 km, given start in Sacile and Canazei. It is definitely possible, but I doubt we'll see two stages of that type. But, I will be gladly suprised if that happens.
The Vuelta can do a half decent job with how stages are sequenced along the race. But short-term stage sequencing still lacks.I prefer the way the Vuelta sets up its courses - Some hilly/mountainous stages early on ( even in the first stage ) then a similar TT always around stage 12 - It's perfect.
Yep, but stage 18 were a massive climb as the second last before a significantly easier last climb. That is a recipe that almost always works. If you want entertaining mountain stages that is by far the safest way to design a stage. The Giro shoold always have one or two of these.Well the original stage 18 and 20 from last year were both crazy hard so it wouldn't be beyond them.
Yeah the Vuelta is the one that generally has the best pacing of stages even if the individual stages can be uninspiring. I hold them to different standards anyway.I prefer the way the Vuelta sets up its courses - Some hilly/mountainous stages early on ( even in the first stage ) then a similar TT always around stage 12 - It's perfect.
The Vuelta in recent times hasn't been very back loaded, which i like. The riders aren't waiting for two of the hardest (or most decisive) stages being on the last four days (usually the case in Giro and Tour).Yeah the Vuelta is the one that generally has the best pacing of stages even if the individual stages can be uninspiring. I hold them to different standards anyway.
To my understnding hey are gonna use if first in the u23 Giro, then one year(?) after in the Giro.So is Fauniera deffo not happening?
Hmm alright. It was basically my hope for thereal tappone, but at least it seems like it won't turn go full GamoniteiroTo my understnding hey are gonna use if first in the u23 Giro, then one year(?) after in the Giro.
You can make the Cortina stage a tappone while keeping it under 210km long (a reasonable distance for a Giro queenstage).Hmm alright. It was basically my hope for thereal tappone, but at least it seems like it won't turn go full Gamoniteiro
I mapped the same route yesterday, but without Staulanza. Seems like it's actually shorter to add Staulanza?You can make the Cortina stage a tappone while keeping it under 210km long (a reasonable distance for a Giro queenstage).
https://www.cronoescalada.com/index.php/tracks/view/686807
I mapped the same route yesterday, but without Staulanza. Seems like it's actually shorter to add Staulanza?
Yes, Staulanza is the most direct road towards the start of Fedaia, if you're coming from that direction.I mapped the same route yesterday, but without Staulanza. Seems like it's actually shorter to add Staulanza?
Your suggsted route is only 3 km longer than the route from La Flamme Rouge, but adds two extra climbs. Really hope your suggestion will be the actual route. A proper queen stage both in terms of length and height meters, and including two classic monster climbs like Fedaia and Giau!Yes, Staulanza is the most direct road towards the start of Fedaia, if you're coming from that direction.
The 8km of gravel after the Crostis may cause more gaps than the climb itselfWeakening the legs of the top climbers doesn't matter that much these days, they still get to the bottom really fresh while the domestiques get burnt out and the pace is low. Weakening the legs is very often not the trigger for action at all.
I wanna bet if you make the 150km before Zonc pan flat you get bigger gaps than if you put 3 cat 2s in front of it.
As for Crostis, I honestly think it would just be softpedaled, and you'd waste a queen stage on just another single MTF of action.
If we get Crostis I want it without Zoncolan.The 8km of gravel after the Crostis may cause more gaps than the climb itself
Opens course.Yes, Staulanza is the most direct road towards the start of Fedaia, if you're coming from that direction.
Red Rick is the kind of guy who goes on a date with Scarlett Johansson only to complain that her elbows are too pointy...Opens course.
Sees no Duran
shudders
More like "You're this late Thomas won the Tour 3 years ago"Red Rick is the kind of guy who goes on a date with Scarlett Johansson only to complain that her elbows are too pointy...
Maybe she had spent the time trying to round her elbows but look where that got her.More like "You're this late Thomas won the Tour 3 years ago"
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