Nothing wrong with that - The Giro has the terrain to mix up it's courses - Lets be creative.
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Nothing wrong with that - The Giro has the terrain to mix up it's courses - Lets be creative.
Oh yes, that stage will probably look a lot like that. The problem is that they try the same formula (flat before 3 final climbs) before nearly all the mountain stages, the Giro is usually more creative than that.
It's the sort of format that's very vanilla that 90% of the time comes down to the final climb because the ordering of the final climbs is almost always such. Both the big MTFs in the Tour were like that last year, as is the main MTF this year.
Yep, the possibilities for variation in the Giro is close to endless. A Giro could contain every type of high mountain, medium mountain and hilly stages. The options are much better than in the Tour and Vuelta. Especially for mountain stages that could encourage attacks from far out......
I prefer the way the Vuelta sets up its courses - Some hilly/mountainous stages early on ( even in the first stage ) then a similar TT always around stage 12 - It's perfect.
Well the original stage 18 and 20 from last year were both crazy hard so it wouldn't be beyond them.
The Vuelta can do a half decent job with how stages are sequenced along the race. But short-term stage sequencing still lacks.
They've got rid in recent years of the 3-MTFs-in-a-row before the second rest day, but they still give us 2-in-a-row with the hardest one last (e.g., Farapona+Angliru) too often. Either they didn't learn anything from the Aubisque + Formigal lesson in 2016 or they don't want it to happen ever again.
And regarding stage design, although Spain doesn't have the riches of Italy's terrain, they could do quite a bit better than they usually do.
Yep, but stage 18 were a massive climb as the second last before a significantly easier last climb. That is a recipe that almost always works. If you want entertaining mountain stages that is by far the safest way to design a stage. The Giro shoold always have one or two of these.
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Yeah the Vuelta is the one that generally has the best pacing of stages even if the individual stages can be uninspiring. I hold them to different standards anyway.
The Vuelta in recent times hasn't been very back loaded, which i like. The riders aren't waiting for two of the hardest (or most decisive) stages being on the last four days (usually the case in Giro and Tour).
As was pointed out before though, the order of some stages (Farapona before Angliru) leaves a lot to be desired. Also, mix up the ITT a little. Medium length at the end of the second week is okay, but not every year.
To my understnding hey are gonna use if first in the u23 Giro, then one year(?) after in the Giro.
Hmm alright. It was basically my hope for thereal tappone, but at least it seems like it won't turn go full Gamoniteiro
You can make the Cortina stage a tappone while keeping it under 210km long (a reasonable distance for a Giro queenstage).
https://www.cronoescalada.com/index.php/tracks/view/686807
I mapped the same route yesterday, but without Staulanza. Seems like it's actually shorter to add Staulanza?
Yes, Staulanza is the most direct road towards the start of Fedaia, if you're coming from that direction.
Your suggsted route is only 3 km longer than the route from La Flamme Rouge, but adds two extra climbs. Really hope your suggestion will be the actual route. A proper queen stage both in terms of length and height meters, and including two classic monster climbs like Fedaia and Giau!
I generally like the route as it shapes up and don't understand people talking like it's only redeeming factor is the fact that we live in covid times and should be happy that the race will take place. Sure there is still a lot of unknowns, like amount of itt kilometres and how the stages are gonna look in its first phase but I would say that the first week looks decent enough with some easier Mtfs and ITT at the beginning. After that we have one of possibly the best second week in recent years with well placed Zoncolan, queen stage to Cortina with Giau and Fedaia making a comeback, add to it sterrato stage, medium mountains in Bagno di Romagna stage and potentially an ITT and you end up with perfect second week. Sure third week doesn't look as hard as in previous edition but Sega di Ala stage is looking like a great stage with at least around 4000m of vertical gain and tough finish (on the tour it would qualify as the hardest stage), then you have Alpe Mera, which is decent unipuerto (better than pratonevoso in 2018) and stage 20 where you can attack from multiple places if San Bernardino and Spluga are in. It really offers more than 2020 edition in terms of valid opportunities to attack, and if I remember correctly 2020 route was highly praised for its mountains. Basically we have Etna, Piancavallo, Stelvio, Agnello/Izoard vs Zoncolana, Giau, Sega di Ala, Alpe Mera, San Bernardino/Spluga/Alpe Motta. Maybe the later combination is less legendary and the climbs don't have as much appeal as Stelvio and Agnello but they certainly create opportunities for good racing.
Red Rick is the kind of guy who goes on a date with Scarlett Johansson only to complain that her elbows are too pointy...
Maybe she had spent the time trying to round her elbows but look where that got her.
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