Giro d'Italia 2022 Giro d'Italia, Stage 16: Salò – Aprica 202 km (Tuesday, May 24th)

[Valv.Piti]

Looks pretty human...

Smashable?

 

[Jungle Cycle]

weather??

 

[King Of The Wolds]

weather??

Looks wet all afternoon, probably fairly light though. Controversial around these parts, but hopefully it stays dry. Coming down mountains at 60mph on 1 inch wide rubber is dangerous enough as it is.

 

[RedheadDane]

Smashable?

Not in the violent RedheadDane sense of the word; looks too nice.

 

[topcat]

Nibali to smash them.

 

[noob]

Looks wet all afternoon, probably fairly light though. Controversial around these parts, but hopefully it stays dry. Coming down mountains at 60mph on 1 inch wide rubber is dangerous enough as it is.

Temperature? Rain and cold or rain and hot?

 

[search]

Temperature? Rain and cold or rain and hot?

it doesn't matter for Rein. It's always Taaramachine time

 

[JosefK]

Someone among the hopefuls will have a sans jour. Curse of the final rest day.

 

[Tim Cahill]

Ben Swift is gonna be lethal on that false flat at the end.

 

[VeloMaster]

I don't think the explosion Bilbao survives would be devastating enough.

With the exception of Nibble, no one of GC interests descends as well as Bilbao. Can he make the difference? I hope we find out.

 

[sir fly]

With the exception of Nibble, no one of GC interests descends as well as Bilbao. Can he make the difference? I hope we find out.

Downwards he's O.K., uphill worries me.

 

[SafeBet]

Temperature? Rain and cold or rain and hot?

Shouldn't be too cold.

 

[Cookster15]

The 3rd week has arrived after the final rest day. Who will have better legs and who will show weakness? Of course Carapaz is the logical choice and Vincenzo is the sentimental favorite but Hindley looks very good and hasn't shown any weakness. Hopefully the unheralded Aussie can do something special.

 

[noob]

Shouldn't be too cold.

Good for Almeida and too bad for me, because Hindley failing his rain jacket on Stelvio was really good comedy.

 

[HelloDolly]

Why is the steep side of Motirolo not the final climb Mauro Vengi???

I dont see the shark dropping the 2 Richies on a climb but I do see it on a descent ..He needs to try on the final descent
I am not sure Landa can go with Nibali on a descent but Pello can ... and that may help Landa behind...
Then Landa will need to attack on the final climb

There it is
i think i will send these instructions to Alberto and Vino

 

[Unterlenkerfahrend]

Just realized they did Stelvio instead of Goletto di Cadino in 1994. Stelvio-Mortirolo-Santa Cristina in one stage, sick.
Rain could have a big impact tomorrow, on some guys performances (e.g. Carapaz positive, Buchmann negativ) but more importantly with regards to the descends.

Once again, shoutout to the intermediate sprints design, great entertainment.

 

[Valv.Piti]

Why is the steep side of Motirolo not the final climb Mauro Vengi???

I dont see the shark dropping the 2 Richies on a climb but I do see it on a descent ..He needs to try on the final descent
I am not sure Landa can go with Nibali on a descent but Pello can ... and that may help Landa behind...
Then Landa will need to attack on the final climb

There it is
i think i will send these instructions to Alberto and Vino

We can blame Vegni for a lot, and I too aint a fan of this side of "Mortirolo" (yes, it really isnt what we know that climb to be), but you cant be too mad about mixing it up a bit with a stage like this. Had it been trash, I would flame the living hell out of Mauro and honestly, he should be sacked anyways, but... this stage is fine.

 

[Devil's Elbow]

We can blame Vegni for a lot, and I too aint a fan of this side of "Mortirolo" (yes, it really isnt what we know that climb to be), but you cant be too mad about mixing it up a bit with a stage like this. Had it been trash, I would flame the living hell out of Mauro and honestly, he should be sacked anyways, but... this stage is fine.

The number of better ways to mix it up than this stage is greater than the number of Colombians Ryo claimed to be better than Nibali.

 

[Devil's Elbow]

The number of better ways to mix it up than this stage is greater than the number of Colombians Ryo claimed to be better than Nibali.

I'll actually back this one up, by the way. In no particular order:

1. The current stage design but with Mortirolo via the Recta Contador
2. The current stage design but continuing from Santa Cristina to Monte Padrio, descending into Megno, then final 8.5k of the east side of Aprica
3. Both of the above
4. Tovo di Sant'Agata side in the place where the Mazzo side usually is
5. Mortirolo from this side, then Valico di Trivigno and the final 6.5k of the west side of Aprica
6. Mortirolo via Recta Contador, then Valico di Trivigno and the final 6.5k of the west side of Aprica
7. Mortirolo from this side, then Valico di Trivigno, continuing from there to Monte Padrio, descending into Megno, then final 8.5k of the east side of Aprica
8. Mortirolo via Recta Contador, then Valico di Trivigno, continuing from there to Monte Padrio, descending into Megno, then final 8.5k of the east side of Aprica
9. Mortirolo from the classic Mazzo side, then Monte Padrio from Megno and the final 6.5k of the west side of Aprica
10. Mortirolo from the Tovo di Sant'Agata side, then Monte Padrio from Megno and the final 6.5k of the west side of Aprica
11. The current stage design but continuing from Santa Cristina from Monte Padrio, down the ridge road to Mortirolo, then classic descent and east side to Aprica in full
12. Same as above but with the early Mortirolo via Recta Contador
13. The current stage design without the loop via Teglio
14. Same as above but with the early Mortirolo via Recta Contador
15. The current stage design without the loop via Teglio but continuing from Santa Cristina to Monte Padrio, descending into Megno, then final 8.5k of the east side of Aprica
16. Same as above but with Mortirolo via Recta Contador
17. but continuing from Santa Cristina from Monte Padrio, down the ridge road to Mortirolo, then classic descent and east side to Aprica in full
18. Same as above but with Mortirolo via Recta Contador
19. Monte Padrio from Megno, descending through Trivigno directly to Tirano, then Santa Cristina in full before the current descent finale
20. Mortirolo via Recta Contador, ridge road to Monte Padrio, descending through Trivigno directly to Tirano, then Santa Cristina in full before the current descent finale
21. Mortirolo from Mazzo then the same as above
22. Mortirolo from Tovo di Sant'Agata then the same as above
23. Mortirolo via Recta Contador, ridge road to Monte Padrio, descending through Trivigno and Santa Cristina, then the final 6.5k of the west side of Aprica
24. Mortirolo from Mazzo then the same as above
25. Mortirolo from Tovo di Sant'Agata then the same as above
26. Mortirolo via Recta Contador, ridge road to Monte Padrio, descending through Trivigno directly to Tirano, then northwest side of Aprica in full
27. Mortirolo from Mazzo then the same as above
28. Mortirolo from Tovo di Sant'Agata then the same as above

And that doesn't even take into account the possibility of reusing old designs like the 1994 finale, the southeast side of Aprica used in 2015, or other finish locations...

 

[Pistolas]

I'll actually back this one up, by the way. In no particular order:

1. The current stage design but with Mortirolo via the Recta Contador
2. The current stage design but continuing from Santa Cristina to Monte Padrio, descending into Megno, then final 8.5k of the east side of Aprica
3. Both of the above
4. Tovo di Sant'Agata side in the place where the Mazzo side usually is
5. Mortirolo from this side, then Valico di Trivigno and the final 6.5k of the west side of Aprica
6. Mortirolo via Recta Contador, then Valico di Trivigno and the final 6.5k of the west side of Aprica
7. Mortirolo from this side, then Valico di Trivigno, continuing from there to Monte Padrio, descending into Megno, then final 8.5k of the east side of Aprica
8. Mortirolo via Recta Contador, then Valico di Trivigno, continuing from there to Monte Padrio, descending into Megno, then final 8.5k of the east side of Aprica
9. Mortirolo from the classic Mazzo side, then Monte Padrio from Megno and the final 6.5k of the west side of Aprica
10. Mortirolo from the Tovo di Sant'Agata side, then Monte Padrio from Megno and the final 6.5k of the west side of Aprica
11. The current stage design but continuing from Santa Cristina from Monte Padrio, down the ridge road to Mortirolo, then classic descent and east side to Aprica in full
12. Same as above but with the early Mortirolo via Recta Contador
13. The current stage design without the loop via Teglio
14. Same as above but with the early Mortirolo via Recta Contador
15. The current stage design without the loop via Teglio but continuing from Santa Cristina to Monte Padrio, descending into Megno, then final 8.5k of the east side of Aprica
16. Same as above but with Mortirolo via Recta Contador
17. but continuing from Santa Cristina from Monte Padrio, down the ridge road to Mortirolo, then classic descent and east side to Aprica in full
18. Same as above but with Mortirolo via Recta Contador
19. Monte Padrio from Megno, descending through Trivigno directly to Tirano, then Santa Cristina in full before the current descent finale
20. Mortirolo via Recta Contador, ridge road to Monte Padrio, descending through Trivigno directly to Tirano, then Santa Cristina in full before the current descent finale
21. Mortirolo from Mazzo then the same as above
22. Mortirolo from Tovo di Sant'Agata then the same as above
23. Mortirolo via Recta Contador, ridge road to Monte Padrio, descending through Trivigno and Santa Cristina, then the final 6.5k of the west side of Aprica
24. Mortirolo from Mazzo then the same as above
25. Mortirolo from Tovo di Sant'Agata then the same as above
26. Mortirolo via Recta Contador, ridge road to Monte Padrio, descending through Trivigno directly to Tirano, then northwest side of Aprica in full
27. Mortirolo from Mazzo then the same as above
28. Mortirolo from Tovo di Sant'Agata then the same as above

And that doesn't even take into account the possibility of reusing old designs like the 1994 finale, the southeast side of Aprica used in 2015, or other finish locations...

Incredible the amount of options. I think the stage is good enough for total carnage if only one of top 10 decide to attack kamikaze style.

 

[gregrowlerson]

Not in the violent RedheadDane sense of the word; looks too nice.

I think Valv.Piti meant smashable in this way:

Smashing baby Yeah !!! | Make a Meme

 

[gregrowlerson]

I'll actually back this one up, by the way. In no particular order:

1. The current stage design but with Mortirolo via the Recta Contador
2. The current stage design but continuing from Santa Cristina to Monte Padrio, descending into Megno, then final 8.5k of the east side of Aprica
3. Both of the above
4. Tovo di Sant'Agata side in the place where the Mazzo side usually is
5. Mortirolo from this side, then Valico di Trivigno and the final 6.5k of the west side of Aprica
6. Mortirolo via Recta Contador, then Valico di Trivigno and the final 6.5k of the west side of Aprica
7. Mortirolo from this side, then Valico di Trivigno, continuing from there to Monte Padrio, descending into Megno, then final 8.5k of the east side of Aprica
8. Mortirolo via Recta Contador, then Valico di Trivigno, continuing from there to Monte Padrio, descending into Megno, then final 8.5k of the east side of Aprica
9. Mortirolo from the classic Mazzo side, then Monte Padrio from Megno and the final 6.5k of the west side of Aprica
10. Mortirolo from the Tovo di Sant'Agata side, then Monte Padrio from Megno and the final 6.5k of the west side of Aprica
11. The current stage design but continuing from Santa Cristina from Monte Padrio, down the ridge road to Mortirolo, then classic descent and east side to Aprica in full
12. Same as above but with the early Mortirolo via Recta Contador
13. The current stage design without the loop via Teglio
14. Same as above but with the early Mortirolo via Recta Contador
15. The current stage design without the loop via Teglio but continuing from Santa Cristina to Monte Padrio, descending into Megno, then final 8.5k of the east side of Aprica
16. Same as above but with Mortirolo via Recta Contador
17. but continuing from Santa Cristina from Monte Padrio, down the ridge road to Mortirolo, then classic descent and east side to Aprica in full
18. Same as above but with Mortirolo via Recta Contador
19. Monte Padrio from Megno, descending through Trivigno directly to Tirano, then Santa Cristina in full before the current descent finale
20. Mortirolo via Recta Contador, ridge road to Monte Padrio, descending through Trivigno directly to Tirano, then Santa Cristina in full before the current descent finale
21. Mortirolo from Mazzo then the same as above
22. Mortirolo from Tovo di Sant'Agata then the same as above
23. Mortirolo via Recta Contador, ridge road to Monte Padrio, descending through Trivigno and Santa Cristina, then the final 6.5k of the west side of Aprica
24. Mortirolo from Mazzo then the same as above
25. Mortirolo from Tovo di Sant'Agata then the same as above
26. Mortirolo via Recta Contador, ridge road to Monte Padrio, descending through Trivigno directly to Tirano, then northwest side of Aprica in full
27. Mortirolo from Mazzo then the same as above
28. Mortirolo from Tovo di Sant'Agata then the same as above

And that doesn't even take into account the possibility of reusing old designs like the 1994 finale, the southeast side of Aprica used in 2015, or other finish locations...

You deserve love eyes from Libertine Seguros for this.

 

[gregrowlerson]

I kind of feel this overwhelming wave of sentiment that can carry Nibali to this stage win, and continuing GC contention, but at the same time I wouldn't be surprised if he loses five minutes.

Hindley smashed him two years ago, and he is logically on the ascent of his career, whereas Nibali is on the descent.

But cycling doesn't always eventuate logically.

And The Shark likes descending.

Make of all of that what you will.

Spoiler

In short: I know nothing.

 

[Red Rick]

I'll actually back this one up, by the way. In no particular order:

1. The current stage design but with Mortirolo via the Recta Contador
2. The current stage design but continuing from Santa Cristina to Monte Padrio, descending into Megno, then final 8.5k of the east side of Aprica
3. Both of the above
4. Tovo di Sant'Agata side in the place where the Mazzo side usually is
5. Mortirolo from this side, then Valico di Trivigno and the final 6.5k of the west side of Aprica
6. Mortirolo via Recta Contador, then Valico di Trivigno and the final 6.5k of the west side of Aprica
7. Mortirolo from this side, then Valico di Trivigno, continuing from there to Monte Padrio, descending into Megno, then final 8.5k of the east side of Aprica
8. Mortirolo via Recta Contador, then Valico di Trivigno, continuing from there to Monte Padrio, descending into Megno, then final 8.5k of the east side of Aprica
9. Mortirolo from the classic Mazzo side, then Monte Padrio from Megno and the final 6.5k of the west side of Aprica
10. Mortirolo from the Tovo di Sant'Agata side, then Monte Padrio from Megno and the final 6.5k of the west side of Aprica
11. The current stage design but continuing from Santa Cristina from Monte Padrio, down the ridge road to Mortirolo, then classic descent and east side to Aprica in full
12. Same as above but with the early Mortirolo via Recta Contador
13. The current stage design without the loop via Teglio
14. Same as above but with the early Mortirolo via Recta Contador
15. The current stage design without the loop via Teglio but continuing from Santa Cristina to Monte Padrio, descending into Megno, then final 8.5k of the east side of Aprica
16. Same as above but with Mortirolo via Recta Contador
17. but continuing from Santa Cristina from Monte Padrio, down the ridge road to Mortirolo, then classic descent and east side to Aprica in full
18. Same as above but with Mortirolo via Recta Contador
19. Monte Padrio from Megno, descending through Trivigno directly to Tirano, then Santa Cristina in full before the current descent finale
20. Mortirolo via Recta Contador, ridge road to Monte Padrio, descending through Trivigno directly to Tirano, then Santa Cristina in full before the current descent finale
21. Mortirolo from Mazzo then the same as above
22. Mortirolo from Tovo di Sant'Agata then the same as above
23. Mortirolo via Recta Contador, ridge road to Monte Padrio, descending through Trivigno and Santa Cristina, then the final 6.5k of the west side of Aprica
24. Mortirolo from Mazzo then the same as above
25. Mortirolo from Tovo di Sant'Agata then the same as above
26. Mortirolo via Recta Contador, ridge road to Monte Padrio, descending through Trivigno directly to Tirano, then northwest side of Aprica in full
27. Mortirolo from Mazzo then the same as above
28. Mortirolo from Tovo di Sant'Agata then the same as above

And that doesn't even take into account the possibility of reusing old designs like the 1994 finale, the southeast side of Aprica used in 2015, or other finish locations...

I'm sorry I can't take Recta Contador seriously.

Knowing a lot of medical terminology w/o knowing Italian makes it sound like we're climbing Contdors butthole (GPM1)

Anyway. I think Sante Cristina can be a good climb, but that would be as the final climb in a non queen stage. That's where I disagree with @Valv.Piti this stage is dreadful, not because it's not hard, but because the overall pacing of the stage is horrible.

The easiest improvement for this stage should probably just be taking Trivigno or Monte Padrio as the final cilmb and keeping everything the same.

 

[Rollthedice]

For all you Nibali fans out there, it will indeed be rain. One good news and one bad, chances are he'll find something extra uphill but he will not attack a wet descent.