Giro d'Italia 2022 Giro d'Italia, Stage 3: Kaposvár – Balatonfüred 201 km (Sunday, May 8th)

[Salvarani]

Is Patty bringing a GC hopeful to the TdF? If not, why not bring Jakobsen and Cav?

I guess it depends on the ego of the riders involved.

If they get Cav his win... then Im sure he would be perfectly happy to support Jakobsen for the Green jersey.

 

[jmdirt]

Remco? Ala was also down to go but who knows there

I thought that Rems was going to La Vuelta. I can't see JA being ready to fight for GC in July.

 

[Tim Cahill]

VDP is a gent making excuses for his teammate in the interview there, he should go on a flyer in one of these stages Sagan style.

 

[Lequack]

Unfortunately this stage wasn't the best showcase for Hungary, especially on a Sundary afternoon. I think this was a missed opportunity.

 

[titan31]

Jakobsen consistently rides against easier fields than Cav.

But it's all whatever. It's a little sad when 2 of the 3 best sprinters are on one team and the third can't get himself into a sprinting position without taking himself out.

He's beaten Ewan, Merlier and WVA this year which are basically the other best sprinters around ATM.

Just not sure you want to go nope to Jakobsen and piss him off for the extra publicity you get if Cav wins. Jakobsen is one of their top 3/4 riders for the future along with Remco, Ala and Asgreen and could be winning them races for years.

 

[titan31]

I thought that Rems was going to La Vuelta. I can't see JA being ready to fight for GC in July.

Ah if he is and Ala isnt ready (I'd be surprised if he was), they do have room to bring both sprinters and to try and get Cav that last win and Jakobsen takes the others.

 

[movingtarget]

Lotto's train is a joke, Ewan deserved better. Ghirmay could have challenged Cav is he had find a gap but I find him more and more the favourite for ciclamino.

Think Ewan had an off day. He was nowhere near where he should have been before the sprint started. Maybe some effects from his crash. He had plenty of gauze on his body. Elbow knee and shoulder.

 

[Red Rick]

He's beaten Ewan, Merlier and WVA this year which are basically the other best sprinters around ATM.

Just not sure you want to go nope to Jakobsen and piss him off for the extra publicity you get if Cav wins. Jakobsen is one of their top 3/4 riders for the future along with Remco, Ala and Asgreen and could be winning them races for years.

I get that.

Personally I think Jakobsen is probably faster but he's also a weaker climber and worse pilot so there's a bigger chance misses a time cut or gets boxed in somewhere.

 

[Bonimenier]

Ah if he is and Ala isnt ready (I'd be surprised if he was), they do have room to bring both sprinters and to try and get Cav that last win and Jakobsen takes the others.

There are barely 3 sprint stages in this year's Tour. Seems a stupid idea to bring 2 sprinters.

 

[jmdirt]

There are barely 3 sprint stages in this year's Tour. Seems a stupid idea to bring 2 sprinters.

Two sprinter (esp. FJ and MC) gives you a good chance of winning all three then.

 

[Bonimenier]

Two sprinter (esp. FJ and MC) gives you a good chance of winning all three then.

I actually think it reduces that chance.

 

[jmdirt]

I actually think it reduces that chance.

How?

EDIT: They are sprinting for FJ and he flats 5K from the finish, game over unless they are sprinting for Cav now. Having a plan B who is pretty much a plan A is only a good thing.

 

[Netserk]

There are barely 3 sprint stages in this year's Tour. Seems a stupid idea to bring 2 sprinters.

4-7 I'd say. Likely 5, I think.

 

[Bonimenier]

How?

Plenty of examples how having 2 sprinters ruined a team's chances before. Pretty sure Alpecin wins more sprints in last year's stage if they go for Merlier instead of Philipsen after the former won a stage. If one of the sprinters wins the first sprint, you should keep going for him in my opinion because of his confidence. QS bringing Bennett and Cav to the Scheldeprijs last year also messed up their train.

 

[jmdirt]

Plenty of examples how having 2 sprinters ruined a team's chances before. Pretty sure Alpecin wins more sprints in last year's stage if they go for Merlier instead of Philipsen after the former won a stage. If one of the sprinters wins the first sprint, you should keep going for him in my opinion because of his confidence. QS bringing Bennett and Cav to the Scheldeprijs last year also messed up their train.

You are talking about poor management though.

EDIT: If managed correctly, having those two is good.

 

[Devil's Elbow]

Plenty of examples how having 2 sprinters ruined a team's chances before. Pretty sure Alpecin wins more sprints in last year's stage if they go for Merlier instead of Philipsen after the former won a stage. If one of the sprinters wins the first sprint, you should keep going for him in my opinion because of his confidence. QS bringing Bennett and Cav to the Scheldeprijs last year also messed up their train.

I generally agree with your point, but the latter is a poor example - Bennett tried to gift Cavendish the stage because he didn't think anyone was going to pass them, then Philipsen flew by them in the final metres.

 

[Bonimenier]

4-7 I'd say. Likely 5, I think.

I only see stage 3, 19 and 21 as definite sprint stages.

 

[titan31]

There are barely 3 sprint stages in this year's Tour. Seems a stupid idea to bring 2 sprinters.

I think I've got 6 anyway. 2,3,13,15,19 and 21. All of those are potential bunch sprints or at least reduced sprints if crosswinds hit 2.

 

[Bonimenier]

I think I've got 6 anyway. 2,3,13,15,19 and 21. All of those are potential bunch sprints or at least reduced sprints if crosswinds hit 2.

Stage 2 I excluded because chances on crosswinds should be pretty big.
I see quite a few pure sprinters drop on stage 13 and 15.

 

[titan31]

Stage 2 I excluded because chances on crosswinds should be pretty big.
I see quite a few pure sprinters drop on stage 13 and 15.

I'd include 2 because unless there's crashes or all hell breaks loose, Quick Step get their guys in that first echelon, and Jakobsen is probably sprinting against WVA like at Paris Nice.

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

I thought that Rems was going to La Vuelta. I can't see JA being ready to fight for GC in July.

I don't think JA is ready to fight for GC at all, regardless. If he were to have had decent prep in 2019, who knows. But there is no way he can beat the Slovenians, so you have to wonder why he would even bother at this point. He's just not a natural climber, and focusing on GC would be detrimental to the team's chances going for stagewins, considering he would always have stages where he could win.

But i think he could get ready for the Tour still. I 've said it before, i remember JVDB's injuries in the 2011 TDF were quite similar (broken ribs, puncture lung broken scapula) and he had 40 days to get ready for the Vuelta. He wasn't quite in top shape (finished that Vuelta 8th, while he should otherwise have contested the podium i'm sure) but JA has roughly 70 days to get ready for the Tour (since his injury). That's an extra month. So i wouldn't rule him out for the TDF. But i would for the TDF GC.

 

[Netserk]

I only see stage 3, 19 and 21 as definite sprint stages.

Even if the wind is in the right direction (it's more likely not to), I can't recall an echelon stage not won by a sprinter.

 

[Netserk]

I think I've got 6 anyway. 2,3,13,15,19 and 21. All of those are potential bunch sprints or at least reduced sprints if crosswinds hit 2.

Stage 4 is pretty much certainly a mass sprint.

 

[jmdirt]

I don't think JA is ready to fight for GC at all, regardless. If he were to have had decent prep in 2019, who knows. But there is no way he can beat the Slovenians, so you have to wonder why he would even bother at this point. He's just not a natural climber, and focusing on GC would be detrimental to the team's chances going for stagewins, considering he would always have stages where he could win.

But i think he could get ready for the Tour still. I 've said it before, i remember JVDB's injuries in the 2011 TDF were quite similar (broken ribs, puncture lung broken scapula) and he had 40 days to get ready for the Vuelta. He wasn't quite in top shape (finished that Vuelta 8th, while he should otherwise have contested the podium i'm sure) but JA has roughly 70 days to get ready for the Tour (since his injury). That's an extra month. So i wouldn't rule him out for the TDF. But i would for the TDF GC.

I agree that JA isn't likely to end up on the box even if he has a great build up, BUT Patty think s that JA IS a GC threat. I also agree that JA can win stages if his form is good.

Your second paragraph goes away from the point I was making, but I mostly agree with you.

 

[Amazinmets87]

Cav should get his Tour stage win, then focus on the weaker Giro and Vuelta fields for the all-time record. It's not completely unrealistic.