Giro d'Italia 2023 Giro d'Italia, Stage 13: Borgofranco d’Ivrea – Crans Montana, 199 km (Friday, May 19th)

[StryderHells]

The Giro is getting more horrible every year, really losing interest in this competition. For once they had a competitive start list but the route has been so bad to reduce it non-action for 13 stages. This coupled with bad weather, crashes, sickness, strange decisions really leaves nothing much to cheer for. This years race should really have an asterix beside it.
Cant take it seriously.

I actually still like the Giro, don’t mind the chaos and why you can keep your asterix, whoever wins the race deserves it.

 

[DNP-Old]

Puccio gone, only Arensman and De Plus left for Thomas.

 

[shalgo]

Has there been any word on changing the time limit? Cause it looks like it will only be ~22-24 minutes or something

If they don't change it, what's the over/under on the number of riders OTL? 30? 40? 50?

 

[Netserk]

This is a valid argument against the fact that the stage has been shortened.

However, if you actually listened to the riders, they have all explicitly mentioned the weather from the first two weeks as a key reason why the stage has been shortened. The crashed on Tuesday/Wednesday, the illnesses, the recent-record dropouts, will all play a part. If this was the first stage with bad weather, I doubt anything would have changed. I might be wrong here, it's a counter-factual after all, but it's pretty self-evident (and indeed evidenced by the cyclists in the race, from Thomas to Hansen) that the first two weeks have played a major part in the stage being shortened. Which has a lot of very important issues connected to it, but without addressing it you'll just be discussing imaginary issues.

That's true, but since the weather wasn't extreme nor dangerous today, it makes the call to shorten the stage political.

 

[Skalman]

I actually still like the Giro, don’t mind the chaos and why you can keep your asterix, whoever wins the race deserves it.

Mickey mouse competition

 

[Zinoviev Letter]

Ineos chasing hard. Are they really that concerned about Carthy?

 

[titan31]

You don’t pay them and they don’t owe you anything,

I mean we do indirectly. Anyone who subscribes and watches GCN, Eurosport, any cycling channel pays for these guys. Mountain biking and cyclocross has very little viewership and ad a result they don't get paid anything like road cyclists.

 

[Ilmaestro99]

Is good that Roglic got ineos to work for him

 

[Red Rick]

Voigt saying the timelimit is increased to 22%.

 

[Brullnux]

Where do you get that from? I have never heard that in an official statement yet.

Even Jack Haig said "The reason we didn't want to do the middle climb was because of the potentially dangerous surface on the descent. And then you don't have time to put on extra jackets”. He did not mention many riders being sick at all.

Thomas: "We’ve seen so many guys going home with sickness, so if we want to get to Rome with at least 50 guys, it’s a good decision. It’s still going to be hard racing, so I think it’s a decent compromise."
Fortunato: "It’s a pity for the public, but the other day in the mountains when it was very cold"

Adam Hansen: "To provide clarity from the riders' perspective, the weather conditions experienced during this year's Giro have been among the most intense. In response, the riders held a vote last night to invoke the extreme weather protocol."

 

[DNP-Old]

Haig dropped.

 

[Tim Cahill]

De Plus is too fast and too good to set a long rhythm, loads already dropped

 

[Netserk]

Hessmann and Haig dropped.

 

[SafeBet]

Haig dropped already

 

[ppanther92]

Ineos chasing hard. Are they really that concerned about Carthy?

Apparently

 

[Valv.Piti]

Jack Haig apparantly wanted this climb cancelled.

Good thing he's getting dropped, what a bum.

(And yes, Im watching.....)

 

[Fantastico]

Thomas: "We’ve seen so many guys going home with sickness, so if we want to get to Rome with at least 50 guys, it’s a good decision. It’s still going to be hard racing, so I think it’s a decent compromise."
Fortunato: "It’s a pity for the public, but the other day in the mountains when it was very cold"

Adam Hansen: "To provide clarity from the riders' perspective, the weather conditions experienced during this year's Giro have been among the most intense. In response, the riders held a vote last night to invoke the extreme weather protocol."

Thanks. In the meantime, I had read/heard about it as well. Also Vegni spoke about it.

 

[DNP-Old]

Karma is a b!tch, ain't it so Jack?

 

[Zinoviev Letter]

I mean we do indirectly. Anyone who subscribes and watches GCN, Eurosport, any cycling channel pays for these guys. Mountain biking and cyclocross has very little viewership and ad a result they don't get paid anything like road cyclists.

Indirectly means nothing. Teams pay the riders. How riders and teams interact is an industrial relations question. You pay nobody. What you think is irrelevant to the riders.

 

[StryderHells]

Mickey mouse competition

No it’s a bike race

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

Dutch Eurosport guys couldn't hear each other and were talking at the same time. Funny.

 

[Brullnux]

That's true, but since the weather wasn't extreme nor dangerous today, it makes the call to shorten the stage political.

Completely agree! And I don't think it was the right decision. But it's silly to pretend like the never-before-seen amounts of rain over the past two weeks (and the ensuing illnessess, crashed, injuries, retirements) didn't play a major role in the mindset of the riders (as a lot of people here have claimed).

Comparing it with 2010 is useless - the weather for the first week was bad, but not at the historic level we have had. Crashes, illnesses, injuries, and drop-outs were markedly fewer.

 

[dazaau]

Vine out the back! Surprising

 

[DNP-Old]

Vine was so angry he had to work for Almeida and didn't get to go for stages and he's the second to drop. What a bum.

 

[HelloDolly]

Maybe none of the riders in UEA like Almedia