Giro d'Italia 2023 Giro d'Italia, Stage 5: Atripalda - Salerno 171 km (Wednesday, May 10th)

[laarsland]

Anyone who understands logic would read everything. As i said, the Trek rider travels sideways harder and faster.


Here is how demonstrably false they are:

This is worse than armpit-hair-VAR

 

[Berniece]

Anyone who understands logic would read everything. As i said, the Trek rider travels sideways harder and faster.


Here is how demonstrably false they are:

Louis Vervaeke backs up your point, says Kirsch was at fault

 

[Carrick-On-Seine]

Anyone who understands logic would read everything. As i said, the Trek rider travels sideways harder and faster.


Here is how demonstrably false they are:

Can you translate this comment from Vervaeke better than Google can?

Ploeg komt met nieuwe update over Evenepoel, die "veel pijn" had: "Donderdag wordt moeilijke dag" | sporza

Remco Evenepoel is niet ongeschonden uit de spekgladde vijfde etappe gekomen in de Giro. De wereldkampioen viel tweemaal en was na de aankomst niet bereikbaar voor commentaar, al kon onze man ter plaatse toch even poolshoogte nemen. "Ik heb veel pijn", luidde het. Later op de avond kwam zijn...

sporza.be

I have no idea what this means
""Remco's first fall was not bad, we still have to wait for the second. How did the second happen? Remco heard his name and wanted to leave the drumming. That made him look to the right, but Kirsch (Trek-Segafredo, ed.) - and that's not my best friend - cut off his pace.""

 

[ChewbaccaDefense]

Anyone who understands logic would read everything. As i said, the Trek rider travels sideways harder and faster.


Here is how demonstrably false they are:

Do you ride? Have you raced?

You're responsible for your front wheel, and you're also responsible for looking where you're going befoe you move, not after. Remco looked left and swerved right, right into the trajectory of the Trek Rider.

 

[ChewbaccaDefense]

Louis Vervaeke backs up your point, says Kirsch was at fault

Truly an independent voice...

 

[King Of The Wolds]

Louis Vervaeke backs up your point, says Kirsch was at fault

Louis Vervaeke, Remco's team mate, or a different, impartial Louis Vervaeke?

 

[Bonimenier]

Can you translate this comment from Vervaeke better than Google can?

Ploeg komt met nieuwe update over Evenepoel, die "veel pijn" had: "Donderdag wordt moeilijke dag" | sporza

Remco Evenepoel is niet ongeschonden uit de spekgladde vijfde etappe gekomen in de Giro. De wereldkampioen viel tweemaal en was na de aankomst niet bereikbaar voor commentaar, al kon onze man ter plaatse toch even poolshoogte nemen. "Ik heb veel pijn", luidde het. Later op de avond kwam zijn...

sporza.be

I have no idea what this means
""Remco's first fall was not bad, we still have to wait for the second. How did the second happen? Remco heard his name and wanted to leave the drumming. That made him look to the right, but Kirsch (Trek-Segafredo, ed.) - and that's not my best friend - cut off his pace.""

"Someone called Remco's name. Remco doesn't want to hinder the sprinters so he looked to make sure he could move out of the way. Hirsch cut off his front wheel, and he already wasn't my best friend."

 

[Tim Cahill]

It was Louis Vervaeke from another school making the comment, you wouldn't know her.

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

The Trek rider was looking where he was going...Infantapoel was not. He was looking in the opposite directon when he started his move, and your picture does not represent that reality.

You said that "Evenepoel's swerve is not that severe untill the Trek rider clips him" was demonstrably false. Yet it is your claim that proves to be demonstrably false. His swerve was not that severe. Only after his wheel was clipped, which is after the incident that caused the crash, did he have no longer control over his bike and did he swerve severely. His initial swerve is not severe and as shown on the images for anyone who has their eyes open, not nearly as hard as the swerve of the Trek rider. The Trek rider comes from behind, so obviously he can see Evenepoel. If Evenepoel swerved into his trajectory, he swerved much harder into Evenepoel's trajectory.

Again, i'm not saying Evenepoel is without blame, but the "100% completely his own fault" comments are laughable. The Trek rider shares the blame.

 

[DNP-Old]

Dainese DSQ.

 

[Berniece]

Truly an independent voice...

You’ve got a lot of excuses… the picture already made it very clear, then it’s backed up by another rider. But all of that isn’t good enough.

If Remco would have looked in front of him he would still have fallen, which tells you enough about the situation.

 

[Riek s]

lol at all the name calling for someone who fell, is in pain and afraid of not completing the Giro. always better to be a fan, then an anti-fan.

I'm not even sure if remco would have looked in front of him he wouldn't have crashed. He would have probably swerved to the other side when the trek rider showed up on his right and he might have crashed to the left.

This was clearly an unfortunate incident where Remco went to the right to peel off, while the trek rider didn't expect that and was riding as if Remco would have stayed in that group. Remco looking left because someone yelled his name, yeh. Maybe someone wanted to have the space where remco was for the sprint.
Unfortunate accident and hopefully the riders involved can continue riding. Doesn't seem well for Remco on that front. Would be suprised if he doesn't loose time before the rest-day.

(also heard that the trek rider appolegized to Remco. no sure if they worked it out).

 

[Devil's Elbow]

Louis Vervaeke backs up your point, says Kirsch was at fault

I'm sure it would have gone down perfectly in the team in general and with Evenepoel in particular if he'd said anything else. So I'm also sure we should take this as a completely unbiased, impartial and conflict of interest-free account of what happened.

 

[RedheadDane]

Well, I hope every rider who crashed today is okay, or as okay the as situation allows.

 

[tobydawq]

Tomorrow's stage will likely be cancelled because the time keepers will not yet have published the results of today's stage....

 

[search]

Tomorrow's stage will likely be cancelled because the time keepers will not yet have published the results of today's stage....

they were busy with Dainese so far. Give them another moment!

edit: and there's the result now:

Classifiche del Giro d'Italia 2023

Le classifiche dell'edizione 106 del Giro d'Italia. Scopri tutti gli aggiornamenti su cronometro, tempi e distacchi dei partecipanti della Corsa Rosa.

www.giroditalia.it

 

[Bonimenier]

Vine +1.11
Uran +1.09

 

[Devil's Elbow]

Anyone who understands logic would read everything. As i said, the Trek rider travels sideways harder and faster.


Here is how demonstrably false they are:

I love images that have been cropped enough that we can't see where the sides of the road are. Makes it impossible to say whether the centre of both images are at the same point relative to the sides of the road, and also impossible to know whether it's deliberate if they aren't. But of course, someone as unbiased as you would never think of tampering with images like that, right?

 

[ChewbaccaDefense]

You said "Evenepoel's swerve is not that severe untill the Trek rider clips him" was demonstrably false. Yet it is your claim that proves to be demonstrably false. His swerve was not that severe. Only after his wheel was clipped, which is after the incident that caused it, did he have no longer control over his bike and did he swerve severely. His initial swerve is not severe and as shown on the images for anyone who has their eyes open, not nearly as hard as the swerve of the Trek rider. The Trek rider comes from behind, so obviously he can see Evenepoel.

Again, i'm not saying Evenepoel is without blame, but the "100% completely his own fault" comments are laughable. The Trek rider shares the blame.

His swerve was severe...because he was looking left and moved right into the path of the Trek rider. I also indicted that the Trek rider made a mistake, but Remco made the biggest mistake.

 

[Andy schleck]

We need a villain in the story to keep things interesting. Remco is our villain.

 

[staubsauger]

Yeah, the dust and sand on the road (mainly in Southern Italy) is like soap once it gets wet.

Still remember that stage at the 2007 Giro d'Italia when Popovych and nearly his whole group crashed and slided over the finish line.

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

I love images that have been cropped enough that we can't see where the sides of the road are. Makes it impossible to say whether the centre of both images are at the same point relative to the sides of the road, and also impossible to know whether it's deliberate if they aren't. But of course, someone as unbiased as you would never think of tampering with images like that, right?

Indeed. You can overlay both images if you want. They are scaled to size and pinned to match with the rider to Evenepoel's left as reference. Does it not fit your desired outcome? Does it not match your unbiased opinion?

 

[tobydawq]

they were busy with Dainese so far. Give them another moment!

edit: and there's the result now:

Classifiche del Giro d'Italia 2023

Le classifiche dell'edizione 106 del Giro d'Italia. Scopri tutti gli aggiornamenti su cronometro, tempi e distacchi dei partecipanti della Corsa Rosa.

www.giroditalia.it

Okay, I guess today's result was a bit complicated to decide.

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

His swerve was severe...because he was looking left and moved right into the path of the Trek rider. I also indicted that the Trek rider made a mistake, but Remco made the biggest mistake.

So you agree with my initial point. He is not the only one to blame. Then why have you been debating me all the time?

 

[Ilmaestro99]

Well, I hope every rider who crashed today is okay, or as okay the as situation allows.

Looked through the results and everybody finished the stage at least. Uran and vine seem to have both lost a minute