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vividly!Still remember that stage at the 2007 Giro d'Italia when Popovych and nearly his whole group crashed and slided over the finish line.
I am puzzled about it TBH.Vine +1.11
Uran +1.09
Yeah, I would expect some teams to file complaints.I am puzzled about it TBH.
Biased Remco lover.Some people saying that Remco should not have been looking back. Yes you are right and that's his fault. However, he would have been taken down regardless because of the bas manuever by the other rider. Very difficult to avoid even if he was looking forward. Think about the sprints as well. The riders that change their path are at fault and usually take down the other riders regardless of anything. very hard to avoid.
The rider to Evenepoel's right seems to move ever so slightly to the right based on the actual video, so it's difficult to verify. In any case, even if we take both pictures to be equally central and therefore assume we can draw accurate conclusions, they suggest that Evenepoel drifts clearly more than the 0.5 metres you were claiming earlier (there is no space between him and the rider to his left in picture 1, and at least 1.5 rider widths in picture 2), and instead (just about) in the range of 1-2 metres that I said would have been the margin otherwise. Yes, Kirsch could have cut in less diagonally, but 19 times out of 20, what he does passes without incident, and the 20th time is when someone veers into his path without looking. And so, as I again said previously, it's almost entirely the fault of the rider veering, i.e. Evenepoel.Indeed. You can overlay both images if you want. They are scaled to size and pinned to match with the rider to Evenepoel's left as reference. Does it not fit your desired outcome?
I would think there always is a camera/timing loop at 3k to go indeed, and everyone who is not in G1 gets the time he finished with.Yeah, I would expect some teams to file complaints.
Probably because the organization gathered evidence that they were behind when the crash inside the 3k happened. I remember that only a portion of the group that was affected by the earlier crash was able to connect to the front just 500 meters before the crash with Evenepoel, I remember seeing in that group Roglic and Almeida, not sure who were the other GC guys like Uran and Vine 🤷♂️I am puzzled about it TBH.
The problem is that the bridge was made at like 2.8k from the line, so they will still have had to do manual work here.I would think there always is a camera/timing loop at 3k to go indeed, and everyone who is not in G1 gets the time he finished with.
Evenepoel is not as skinny as the line i drew. So you should look at the position of his bike/wheels. Even if it is more than half a meter, it is certainly not more than 1 meter, and not even close to half of the distance Kirsch travels sideways. Yet you label Evenepoel as the veering rider, while it is clear Kirsch travels more sideways and is more aggressive in cutting inside at a higher speed, but you don't label his move as "veering" so you can stay by your initial opinion that it is Evenepoel's fault. lolThe rider to Evenepoel's right seems to move ever so slightly to the right based on the actual video, so it's difficult to verify. In any case, even if we take both pictures to be equally central and therefore assume we can draw accurate conclusions, they suggest that Evenepoel drifts clearly more than the 0.5 metres you were claiming earlier (there is no space between him and the rider to his left in picture 1, and at least 1.5 rider widths in picture 2), and instead (just about) in the range of 1-2 metres that I said would have been the margin otherwise. Yes, Kirsch could have cut in less diagonally, but 19 times out of 20, what he does passes without incident, and the 20th time is when someone veers into his path without looking. And so, as I again said previously, it's almost entirely the fault of the rider veering, i.e. Evenepoel.
We will disagree, but the more i think about it the more i am reminded of the incident at the Vuelta last year. Some guy from some small team took position in front of Remco. Remco was pissed and just stared at him, even though he didn't do anything wrong.First of all, Evenepoel's swerve is not that severe untill the Trek rider clips him. He only moves to the side maybe half a meter. And as you noted, the Trek rider is coming from behind with more speed so he is the one with a better view as it happens in front of him. The Trek rider's cutting in swerve is also harder and faster. Evenepoel is not without blame, he should have been looking to the side he wanted to peel off to, but the blame does not fall solely on him, as people here are trying to portray it.
yeah, that's true. Didn't think about that.The problem is that the bridge was made at like 2.8k from the line, so they will still have had to do manual work here.
Vine went down in the pileup with 7 km to go and similar to Roglic, Gaviria and Ackermann had bike issues. Unlike the others, Roglic quickly got on Bouwman's bike and got back before the next crash
There is at least one Evenepoel between the red line (i.e. his centre in picture 1) and his left side on picture 2, which comes to at least 1.5 Evenepoels of veering. And then I'd guesstimate anything between 0 and 40 centimetres of changed camera position/cropping, which is a big margin in a sprint.Evenepoel is not as skinny as the line i drew. So you should look at the position of his bike/wheels. Even if it is more than half a meter, it is certainly not more than 1 meter, and not even close to half of the distance Kirsch travels sideways. Yet you label Evenepoel as the veering rider, while it is clear Kirsch travels more sideways and is more aggressive in cutting inside at a higher speed, but you don't label his move as "veering" so you can stay by your initial opinion that it is Evenepoel's fault. lol
Evenepoel moves to the right. Kirsch moves to the left, faster and further. Even if Evenepoel had not looked sideways right before, he would not have seen Kirsch coming. Kirsch on the other hand came from behind and had a better view of the situation. But it is 100% Evenepoel's fault and i am the one who is biased.
This is not what i am discussing. I didn't say anything about that. I already said he should have been looking to his right before moving instead of looking to his left. I am not saying he isn't to blame. The only thing i am saying is that he is not the only one to blame. For me personally, considering Kirsch makes the harder swerve, he is more at fault. But whether that is 45-55% or 60-40%, i don't care that much. The thing is that it is laughable how everybody claims to be completely impartial and neutral, while blaming him for 100% and debating (even disproving some claims with images) that, only gets you labelled as biased.We will disagree, but the more i think about it the more i am reminded of the incident at the Vuelta last year. Some guy from some small team took position in front of Remco. Remco was pissed and just stared at him, even though he didn't do anything wrong.
Today, I kind of feel Remco again showed his frustration by looking/staring to his left at the rider/incident that annoyed him. Unprofessional because it was a stressful point in the race and he needs to be concentrating.
But as I said, we will let chris horner decide![]()
“Roglic thankful for ‘super good luck’ after near miss in Giro D’Italia crashes” headline on the front page.
1 crash is considered 0 in Roglic terms.
sorry but this does not exonerate Remco. The trek guy is accelerating ahead of Remco and there is lots of room had Remco held his line. Remco rides into his back wheelAnyone who understands logic would read everything. As i said, the Trek rider travels sideways harder and faster.
Here is how demonstrably false they are:
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Was it Bouwman who casually decided to take a piss against a wall while waiting for a bike after giving it to Roglic?
There are crashes and crashes. For Primoz, who fell on the largest ski flying hill in the world, hardly anything is considered a real crash. He's a tough son of a b**ch.
No... because after he slipped he is looking back and swerving a few meters into the others. Dainese has no room.