Giro d'Italia 2023 Giro d'Italia, Stage 5: Atripalda - Salerno 171 km (Wednesday, May 10th)

[ChewbaccaDefense]

The second crash was 100% Remco's own fault. But he's allowed to be frustrated, come on, he had a terrible day on the bike (although really it could have been much worse).

There's being frustrated, and then there's acting like a 5 year old, who didn't get chocolate milk, and the two are not the same.

 

[laarsland]

There would have been like 1-2 metres between Evenepoel and the Trek guy if Evenepoel hadn't veered right for no obvious reason, that might as well be lightyears in a sprint finale. That was almost entirely on him.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1656327830223872003

Yeah apparently a lot of the posters here don't bother to look before crossing the road.

 

[ChewbaccaDefense]

There would have been like 1-2 metres between Evenepoel and the Trek guy if Evenepoel hadn't veered right for no obvious reason, that might as well be lightyears in a sprint finale. That was almost entirely on him.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1656327830223872003

Logic is evidently not his friend.

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

In this case it is more Remco's fault. At least trek guy was looking in the direction he was moving. Seems Remco perhaps was a little annoyed with the movement to his left and while floating away from it to his right, he kept his focus on the object of his annoyance a little too long instead of concentrating on what is going on around him and especially to his right which is the direction in which he was going.

All this said, i cannot imagine all the stress in the peloton. I don't even want to talk to my mates on the ride last night cuz we are doing 35-40k in a group of 15 and i am concentrating on my spatial awareness lol

First of all, Evenepoel's swerve is not that severe untill the Trek rider clips him. He only moves to the side maybe half a meter. And as you noted, the Trek rider is coming from behind with more speed so he is the one with a better view as it happens in front of him. The Trek rider's cutting in swerve is also harder and faster. Evenepoel is not without blame, he should have been looking to the side he wanted to peel off to, but the blame does not fall solely on him, as people here are trying to portray it.

 

[theyoungest]

There's being frustrated, and acting like a 5 year old, who didn't get chocolate milk, and the two are not the same.

He seems to be a high testosterone, high adrenaline type of guy. A footballer, really. So it's probably something he can't really control in such a hectic moment. What I don't understand is his staunchest fans following him in this behaviour, if they have eyes they can see it was his own fault.

 

[Scarponi]

6 Italians in the top 10, is this 2001?

 

[yaco]

Italian roads are notoriously slippery after rain so you have to expect accidents. I am unsure how relevant is to apportion blame to individuals in such circumstances.

 

[Bonimenier]

What - Groves moved to a team where the leading sprinter is Philipsen - So it's the same situation being the second sprinter - Actually, Jayco is a better situation because Groenewegen is a more limited sprinter than Philipsen which in theory gives Groves more opportunities - Groves program at Jayco would have been similar to his program at Alpecin and would have included the Giro.

Yet they sent Groenewegen to different races with stages for sprinters with good climbing legs last year, like Dauphiné for example where they chased with the whole team for Groenewegen multiple times to get nowhere. Groves' program could have been so much better last year. Why should he have been confident that his program would have been better this year at Jayco?

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

There would have been like 1-2 metres between Evenepoel and the Trek guy if Evenepoel hadn't veered right for no obvious reason, that might as well be lightyears in a sprint finale. That was almost entirely on him.

lol, open your eyes. From the moment Evenepoel starts "veering" right, until his wheel is clipped, he has only moved about half a meter, perhaps 1. It is the Trek rider who cuts in way more aggressively, does more horizontal meters at a higher speed.

 

[King Of The Wolds]

Vendrame was on a stretcher so I fear his Giro is over.
Dekker was standing up after a few minutes so he should be fine hopefully.
Maestri no idea, but he looked to be going down hard.
Cav should be fine as he was just gliding.

But yeah, if tmrw is the same they really should just neutralize the last 10km and just let the sprinters who want to take risks go for it.
Or a breakaway win, also fine.

Cav was up straight away, talking to others, looked absolutely fine.

The white line on a curve, 200m from the finish, in the wet, with sprinters moving out from the wheel - a crash was always going to happen, and McEwen and Kelly called it about 10 mins prior.

 

[Devil's Elbow]

lol, open your eyes. From the moment Evenepoel starts "veering" right, until his wheel is clipped, he has only moved about half a meter, perhaps 1. It is the Trek rider who cuts in way more aggressively, does more horizontal meters at a higher speed.

At this point, I'm half convinced that, if Evenepoel put a stick into another rider's wheel, you'd blame the other rider for crashing.

 

[ChewbaccaDefense]

First of all, Evenepoel's swerve is not that severe untill the Trek rider clips him. He only moves to the side maybe half a meter. And as you noted, the Trek rider is coming from behind with more speed so he is the one with a better view as it happens in front of him. He Trek rider's cutting in swerve is also harder and faster. Evenepoel is not without blame, he should have been looking to the side he wanted to peel off to, but the blame does not fall solely on him, as people here are trying to portray it.

These statements are demonstrably false. Only someone blinded by fandom would make such an illogical assessment.

 

[tobydawq]

First of all, Evenepoel's swerve is not that severe untill the Trek rider clips him. He only moves to the side maybe half a meter. And as you noted, the Trek rider is coming from behind with more speed so he is the one with a better view as it happens in front of him. He Trek rider's cutting in swerve is also harder and faster. Evenepoel is not without blame, he should have been looking to the side he wanted to peel off to, but the blame does not fall solely on him, as people here are trying to portray it.

I'm pretty neutral on Remco but I do wonder what you would say if Remco and the Trek rider were reversed.

 

[Offline]

I hope the give everyone the same time. from both crashes

 

[Jagartrott]

Cavendish ended 5th thanks to a quite spectacular bike throw on the line.

 

[noob]

Still no report on GC times for the day :O

 

[KOM]

I'm pretty neutral on Remco but I do wonder what you would say if Remco and the Trek rider were reversed.

Accuse him of trying to kill Remco on purpose. What else?

 

[Bonimenier]

Still no report on GC times for the day :O

They probably trying to figure out who was where when the 2nd crash happened, but they should just give everyone the same time imo.

 

[tobydawq]

Accuse him of trying to kill Remco on purpose. What else?

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[Logic-is-your-friend]

These statements are demonstrably false. Only someone blinded by fandom would make such an illogical assessment.

Ah, so he is without blame.
And no, again, open your eyes and look at the distance Evenepoel travels sideways until his wheel is clipped.

At this point, I'm half convinced that, if Evenepoel put a stick into another rider's wheel, you'd blame the other rider for crashing.

That's your problem, not mine.

 

[ChewbaccaDefense]

Ah, so he is without blame.
And no, again, open your eyes and look at the distance Evenepoel travels sideways until his wheel is clipped.


That's your problem, not mine.

The salient point to anyone who actually understands logic.

 

[Ilmaestro99]

Remco did a mistake and will learn. If remco was looking at the front, the trek rider is not going to hit him. Just few days ago remco was very angry about another crash caused in similar circumstances to today . He learn a lot this first week of the Giro.

 

[Valv.Piti]

I didnt watch the stage, but from the 30 seconds video posted on this page, this seems entirely on Remco. Its beyond me how you can blame anyone else?

 

[ChewbaccaDefense]

Using childish names to chide someone for childish behaviour - great idea!

I think I need to up my game tho...Infantapoel is better, no?

 

[ChewbaccaDefense]

Looks like you're trying to join ilmaestro in his timeout.

I don't post that much...