Giro d'Italia 2023 Giro d'Italia: Who is going to win? First rest day poll.

[Riek s]

So Remco isn't really sick. At least it doesn't seem so from the news so far. And there are no rules from UCI forcing him to withdraw. So this is all on QS, their rigid rules and team doctors. What a freakin joke!!

right.... he looked like someone who pulled multiple all nighters and had a hangover. They tested because he had symptoms, symptoms for which they could exclude the crash. (Might have mistaken early issues and attributed that to the crash.


Picked TGH ftw. He seems in fantastic form climbing and TT. And he showed more progression in his TT compared to the others, so building up nicely it seems. He is my favorite to win the MTT at the end

 

[Armchair cyclist]

The real wildcard is covid, unfortunately.

Posted about 40 minutes before the Uran announcement, and an hour before Evenepoel's. Prophetic words.

 

[TourOfSardinia]

The return of the Ineos GT Train (GT=G&Tao?)
(yawn)

 

[topt]

right.... he looked like someone who pulled multiple all nighters and had a hangover. They tested because he had symptoms, symptoms for which they could exclude the crash. (Might have mistaken early issues and attributed that to the crash.


Picked TGH ftw. He seems in fantastic form climbing and TT. And he showed more progression in his TT compared to the others, so building up nicely it seems. He is my favorite to win the MTT at the end

wrong, but am not surprised at the narrative; "As part of the team's protocol, I took a routine test, which unfortunately was positive."

 

[SafeBet]

wrong, but am not surprised at the narrative; "As part of the team's protocol, I took a routine test, which unfortunately was positive."

So what's your narrative?
That the team benefits from withdrawing its (only) star from his main goal of the season?

Team's protocol might dictate riders take a test in case of specific symptoms. Both his performance in the past few days and his look during yesterday's press conference suggest he was indeed sick.

 

[Riek s]

routine test doesn't mean they routinely test people

Remco said after the TT he thinks he is becoming ill, then they tested.

wrong, but am not surprised at the narrative; "As part of the team's protocol, I took a routine test, which unfortunately was positive."

Will you retract your incorrect statement about narrative since you are wrong?

KIJK. Voelde hij het al aan? Remco Evenepoel na tijdrit: “Ik denk dat ik ziek aan het worden ben”

Remco Evenepoel (23) werd zondag na zijn tijdritzege in de Giro opgewacht door zijn mama Agna en vrouw Oumi. Die laatste merkte een koortsblaasje op bij de wereldkampioen, waarna hij reageerde: “Ik denk dat ik ziek aan het worden ben.” Oumi trok meteen een bezorgde blik, Agna riep nog: “Verzorg...

www.hln.be

 

[Faserr]

The return of the Ineos GT Train (GT=G&Tao?)
(yawn)

I fear so, but wouldn't that be the perfect train for Roglic to take a ride?

 

[Rackham]

I fear so, but wouldn't that be the perfect train for Roglic to take a ride?

Roglič needs merely to decide when to take the jersey.

Jumbo will want to knock out one of the two Ineos guys so I assume Friday will be the day. He probably won't even have the luxury of choice either, i.e. when the race goes uphill there's no standing around just because they don't want pink yet. Jumbo must be ready to take the jersey & defend it because it'll come sooner now that Evenepoel is out.

 

[topt]

routine test doesn't mean they routinely test people

Remco said after the TT he thinks he is becoming ill, then they tested.



Will you retract your incorrect statement about narrative since you are wrong?

KIJK. Voelde hij het al aan? Remco Evenepoel na tijdrit: “Ik denk dat ik ziek aan het worden ben”

Remco Evenepoel (23) werd zondag na zijn tijdritzege in de Giro opgewacht door zijn mama Agna en vrouw Oumi. Die laatste merkte een koortsblaasje op bij de wereldkampioen, waarna hij reageerde: “Ik denk dat ik ziek aan het worden ben.” Oumi trok meteen een bezorgde blik, Agna riep nog: “Verzorg...

www.hln.be

that is exactly what routine test is

 

[topt]

So what's your narrative?
That the team benefits from withdrawing its (only) star from his main goal of the season?

Team's protocol might dictate riders take a test in case of specific symptoms. Both his performance in the past few days and his look during yesterday's press conference suggest he was indeed sick.

they didnt withdraw him, he was forced to withdraw

 

[IndurainsTdF1994]

My guess is that Sky will try to ride like TJV did in the first part of the last TdF (except that T&GH are no R&V).

 

[Riek s]

that is exactly what routine test is

so the answer is no. You keep your wrong narrative after being informed it is wrong by facts: "Remco saying to his wife after the TT: i think i'm getting ill".

 

[topt]

so the answer is no. You keep your wrong narrative after being informed it is wrong by facts: "Remco saying to his wife after the TT: i think i'm getting ill".

and than says to reporters ""As part of the team's protocol, I took a routine test, which unfortunately was positive."; that is the only fact here, being ill doesnt mean you have covid

 

[SafeBet]

they didnt withdraw him, he was forced to withdraw

Forced by whom?

 

[topt]

Forced by whom?

Forced by whom?

who do you think; UCI, organizers

 

[Berniece]

Interesting to see if INEOS is able to play their cards right. At first Jumbo could also rely on Quickstep to help reign in anyone that tries to get away. That ship has sailed so they have to do it themselves. And since this is the D team for Jumbo not sure they will be able to actually do that.

It's INEOS's Giro to lose at the moment.

 

[Armchair cyclist]

who do you think; UCI, organizers

The protocols that forced that some time ago are no longer in place. If you think they 'forced' the decision by some sort of coersion or persuasion, you only have your supposition.

 

[Riek s]

and than says to reporters ""As part of the team's protocol, I took a routine test, which unfortunately was positive."; that is the only fact here, being ill doesnt mean you have covid

Yes, covid test is a routine test when you are sick with symptoms that could point to covid.

Just like a prostate exam is a routine test unrelated if it is a preemtive checkup or a checkup to verify if it is that or something else. its the test that is routine, not the interval

 

[Vino's Mum]

s/o to the three people who've just found this thread & voted G, Vlasov & Almeida. I see you.

Ha ha, hello. There are now four names in contention for the win:

João Pedro Gonçalves Almeida.

 

[Mayomaniac]

The only "good" thing is that now Bora, Bahrain and UAE are all 45sec closer and can potentially use their numbers to attack Ineos and Roglic in the high mountains.

 

[search]

The only "good" thing is that now Bora, Bahrain and UAE are all 45sec closer and can potentially use their numbers to attack Ineos and Roglic in the high mountains.

...but Kämna just said that he'll ride more conservative now, since he paid for his efforts on Saturday

 

[Mayomaniac]

...but Kämna just said that he'll ride more conservative now, since he paid for his efforts on Saturday

That said, high mountain stages are a lot better for Kämna than short, steep hills and I rate him higher than Vlasov on that kind of terrain.

 

[Rob5091]

Rumor has it, that sales of face-masks have increased dramatically in Italy. We all laughed at Vingegaard back in February but he must have known something. Now that Remco has gone home, Pozzovivo moves, ninja like, into the top 20 on GC.
Roglic still has Kuss, G has Hart (who sounds deeply depressed in interviews - what's up with him?), Bora, UAE & Bahrain seem to all be in a mess. As I wrote before "Remco to win on the flat and Roglic to win on the climbs", it seems I have to pick Roglic now that the TT's are over (apart from the MTT on stage 20 if it goes ahead).

 

[BigCoward]

My guess is that Sky will try to ride like TJV did in the first part of the last TdF (except that T&GH are no R&V).

Thats OK, Roglic is no Pog.

 

[theyoungest]

Interesting to see if INEOS is able to play their cards right. At first Jumbo could also rely on Quickstep to help reign in anyone that tries to get away. That ship has sailed so they have to do it themselves. And since this is the D team for Jumbo not sure they will be able to actually do that.

It's INEOS's Giro to lose at the moment.

Hold on, we haven't even had a proper climb yet. You can come up with any tactic you like, you still have to have the legs to do it. Geraint Thomas isn't known for his daring long range attacks.