2023 Tour de France CQ Game

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Team popularity
No, it's not about how many likes the manager has, but the total of the popularity scores for the riders in each team. Hindley gives a team 33, a unique pick gives 1

1​
Titan31
170​
2​
Madrazo
169​
3​
Rote_Laterne
167​
4​
Bminchow
163​
4​
Peixotini
163​
6​
Vladimir
162​
7​
Anderis
157​
8​
ZigZagWanderer
150​
9​
Ricco
149​
10​
Riverside
148​
11​
Armchair_Cyclist
146​
11​
Kazistuta
146​
11​
Leadbelly
146​
11​
Marek
146​
15​
Devils_Elbow
145​
16​
DJW
144​
17​
Comodoro
139​
18​
Laarsland
138​
19​
Northerner
136​
20​
Berlus
134​
21​
BluesInTheBottle
131​
22​
18_Valve
130​
23​
PostmanHat
124​
24​
Yellow_Knight
122​
25​
DJSprtsch
121​
25​
Search
121​
27​
AmisVelo
118​
28​
Queen_Stagiare
117​
29​
Salvarani
113​
30​
BicycleBoy
112​
30​
Del1962
112​
30​
Red_Lobster
112​
33​
Lecko
110​
34​
Rufs
100​
35​
Triley36
96​
36​
Evans_is_the_Best
93​
36​
JumboVismaFan
93​
38​
ArchieBoy
91​
39​
Mellow_Velo
72​
40​
Scrooll07
67​
41​
Tonton
61​
42​
RedheadDane
38​
43​
SamuCuenca
26​
Collective_Wisdom
181​

Samu is reprising the Basque Street Boys principle of his main game team: Redhead Dane has a selection drawn entirely from National Champions. Not sure why anyone else has an obscure selection, but popularity is no guarantee of success.
 
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Major Buys
4000 points for 8 riders allows for an average spend of 500 pts, and those riders in whom we invest much more than that are going to be the ones who have most responsibility for getting us points.

Among the early teams submitted, O'Connor was as popular as, and briefly more popular than, Hindley, so I started collating the listing of most popular riders differently. Hope it makes sense to you. This indicates the riders each team has at a cost of more than 600 points.

with both key Australianswith one of themwith neither
VingegaardAmis Velo (JH), Evans is the Best (B O'C)Mellow Velo, Scrool07, TRiley36
SkjelmoseSalvarani
Pinot, Jakobsen & CarapazTonton
Bardet & CicconeQueen Stagiare (JH)
Bardet & JakobsenNortherner
Madouas, Carapaz & LutsenkoRedhead Dane
Landa & BilbaoSamu Cuenca
Landa & CarapazComodoro, Laarsland, Ricco (all JH)
Bilbao, Jakobsen & CarapazDJ Sprtsch (JH)
Bilbao & CarapazAnderis
Ciccone & S YatesDJW
Ciccone & RodriguezArchie Boy (B O'C)
Ciccone & CarapazLeadbelly
CicconeSearch
JorgensenZigzag Wanderer
S Yates & RodriguezRufs
S Yates, Rodriguez & CarapazRote LaternePostman Hat (JH)Del1962
S Yates, Jakobsen and CarapazArmchair Cyclist, Madrazo
S Yates & JakobsenRiverside
S Yates, Carapaz & LutsenkoVladimir (JH)
S Yates & CarapazBlues in the Bottle18-Valve, Bicycle Boy , Bminchow (all JH)
S YatesPeixotini
RodriguezBerlus
Rodriguez & CarapazDevil's Elbow, Titan31
Jakobsen, Carapaz & LutsenkoMarek
Jakobsen & CarapazKazistutaRed Lobster (JH)
Jakobsen & LutsenkoLecko
CarapazYellow Knight
just the AussiesJumbo Visma Fan
 
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I was a bit surprised to see only 5 teams with Vingegaard: there is a considerable drop off in GC points at the top, and first scores the same as 4th +5th, and with his potential for yellow jersey bonuses, stage points and the mountains classification, plus the likelihood of second place being null in the game, this might be an edition in which a major investment might have been worthwhile. We'll see.
 
Skjelmose, unique pick!

It was either him or Vingegaard for me!

I thought a few would pick Vingegaard, so went rouge and picked Skjelmose instead! Could fit both Australians that way.

Then picked Kelderman, if Vinge crashes out or has a bad race. Wilco could probably finish in the top 10 as a super-dom also.

Bernal, who knows? Top 10 would be great imo.

The rest of my team… hope they can do something on a stage.
 
Team similarity
As already mentioned, the high popularity of a relatively high number of riders means that there is more similarity between teams (although no identical ones). 7 riders in common between
Armchair and Madrazo
Madrazo and Rote Laterne
Peixotini and Zigzag Warrior
and 12 other teams have at least one team with which they share 6 riders.

That tab on the Spreadsheet is by far the most colourful. And the spreadsheet will be available on the same Google Docs link throughout the race (and into perpetuity after, I suppose). In a reasonably short while, it'll have today's points on it too, at which point I'll post the first set of standings.
 
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For the Giro I picked Carthy and Vlasov and they DNF-ed.

For the TdF I picked Carapaz and he crashed on stage 1.

In another game, half of my riders have had serious health issues this year and I have my worst season ever in that game.

It looks that I bring bad luck to riders this year.
 
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Stage 1
One for Mrs Yates' scrapbook:
Stage points (the Green Jersey classification*)
YATES Adam
80 stage points​
0 teams​
YATES Simon
50​
14​
POGACAR Tadej
35​
0​
PINOT Thibaut
25​
1​
WOODS Michael
15​
1​
LAFAY Victor
10​
0​
HINDLEY Jai
5​
33​
SKJELMOSE JENSEN Mattias
3​
1​
VINGEGAARD RASMUSSEN Jonas
2​
5​
GAUDU David
1​
0​

1​
18_Valve
55​
1​
Armchair_Cyclist
55​
1​
BicycleBoy
55​
1​
BluesInTheBottle
55​
1​
Bminchow
55​
1​
DJW
55​
1​
Madrazo
55​
1​
Peixotini
55​
1​
PostmanHat
55​
1​
Riverside
55​
1​
Rote_Laterne
55​
1​
Vladimir
55​
13​
Del1962
50​
13​
Rufs
50​
15​
Tonton
25​
16​
Search
20​
17​
Salvarani
8​
18​
AmisVelo
7​
19​
Anderis
5​
19​
Berlus
5​
19​
Comodoro
5​
19​
Devils_Elbow
5​
19​
DJSprtsch
5​
19​
JumboVismaFan
5​
19​
Kazistuta
5​
19​
Laarsland
5​
19​
Leadbelly
5​
19​
Lecko
5​
19​
Marek
5​
19​
Northerner
5​
19​
Queen_Stagiare
5​
19​
Red_Lobster
5​
19​
Ricco
5​
19​
Titan31
5​
19​
Yellow_Knight
5​
19​
ZigZagWanderer
5​
37​
Evans_is_the_Best
2​
37​
Mellow_Velo
2​
37​
Scrooll07
2​
37​
Triley36
2​
41​
ArchieBoy
0​
41​
RedheadDane
0​
41​
SamuCuenca
0​
Collective_Wisdom
30​
Pog_vs_the_World
35​
*: stage points only, but unlike the Tour's green jersey, there are no intermediate points here, and the stage points are the same regardless of the parcours

Main Game
When we add to those stage points the 20 point yellow jersey bonus (which cannot be lost, no matter what happens in the next 3 weeks) and the projected points for GC, and the two minor classifications (which will fluctuate between here and Paris), this is what we get)
YATES Adam
780​
0​
YATES Simon
550​
14​
POGACAR Tadej
475​
0​
PINOT Thibaut
360​
1​
WOODS Michael
315​
1​
LAFAY Victor
273​
0​
HINDLEY Jai
236​
33​
SKJELMOSE JENSEN Mattias
203​
1​
VINGEGAARD RASMUSSEN Jonas
185​
5​
GAUDU David
161​
0​
VAN AERT Wout
140​
0​
LANDA MEANA Mikel
130​
4​
RODRIGUEZ CANO Carlos
120​
8​
KELDERMAN Wilco
110​
6​
POWLESS Neilson
105​
0​
STRONG Corbin
100​
0​
EENKHOORN Pascal
95​
0​
ARANBURU DEBA Alexander
94​
3​
VAN GILS Maxim
88​
0​
TEUNS Dylan
82​
2​


So the Red Lantern is the first Yellow Jersey
1​
Rote_Laterne
1109​
2​
Bminchow
1107​
3​
PostmanHat
1052​
4​
Peixotini
1040​
5​
DJW
1020​
6​
Armchair_Cyclist
1017​
7​
Vladimir
1017​
8​
Rufs
1016​
9​
Madrazo
1009​
10​
Riverside
1001​
11​
BluesInTheBottle
997​
12​
BicycleBoy
945​
13​
18_Valve
945​
14​
Del1962
872​
15​
Search
799​
16​
Salvarani
723​
17​
AmisVelo
678​
18​
Berlus
671​
19​
Comodoro
654​
20​
Ricco
648​
21​
Leadbelly
642​
22​
Laarsland
614​
23​
Devils_Elbow
571​
24​
Titan31
571​
25​
Queen_Stagiare
553​
26​
Northerner
549​
27​
Anderis
521​
28​
Lecko
516​
29​
ZigZagWanderer
512​
30​
Tonton
500​
31​
DJSprtsch
487​
32​
Kazistuta
481​
33​
ArchieBoy
477​
34​
Triley36
469​
35​
Marek
467​
36​
JumboVismaFan
441​
37​
Yellow_Knight
438​
38​
Scrooll07
429​
39​
Red_Lobster
415​
40​
Mellow_Velo
387​
41​
Evans_is_the_Best
385​
42​
SamuCuenca
372​
43​
RedheadDane
263​
Collective_Wisdom
775​
Pog_vs_the_World
615​
There is a tiebreaker when teams are even on points, which is to exclude the highest points earner from each team that is party to the tie (and then the next highest etc, until there is a difference in the teams). The thinking is that this favours the more balanced team. So Armchair and Vladimir share their three highest point scorers so far, but when the fourth highest is removed from each team, I still have 111 points to Vladimir's 109.
To separate 18-Valve and Bicycle Boy I needed the next tier of separation (as they both have the same 3 riders who have any more than the basic 20 for positions 51 and below): ignoring those they share, BB's best placed is Wright in 107th, against 18-Valve's Cavendish in 170th. So Bicycle Boy gets the nod. Similar calculation puts Devil's Elbow ahead of Titan31; however, I normally won't bother doing these tiebreakers unless the tie is in the top ten.


Good: the spreadsheet hasn't developed any serious glitches. That's what the first stage is usually about for me.
 
Is that you, Derek?
Per Armchair Cyclist in the Giro thread, yup.

Though think I ended up 3rd overall anyway

Standings
For a few stages now, the only team that looked to have any chance of replacing Peixotini at the top was Bminchow. However, he has finished last on the daily scores on both stage 18 and 19, and one of the three riders that is on Bminchow's team but not Peixotini's is Carthy, who has of course now DNFed. Titan, who has Buitrago, is now the Derek Gee of our game, having moved into 2nd place everywhere possible.
 
I somehow managed to finish 36 out of 43 teams in terms of popularity with zero unique pick. My team's success is going to depend on whether Vingegaard can beat Adam Yates' helper and O'Connor being the best Australian at the race. Early returns aren't promising.
 
I somehow managed to finish 36 out of 43 teams in terms of popularity with zero unique pick. My team's success is going to depend on whether Vingegaard can beat Adam Yates' helper and O'Connor being the best Australian at the race. Early returns aren't promising.
Having Vingegaard means that the popularity score will be low, as only one of the popular Hindley/O'Connor/Carapaz/Allaphilippe/Girmay/Yates group would be available , while other teams typically have about 4 of them. Of the Vingegaard teams Amis Velo in 27th has the highest popularity ranking, as he picked up on the two popular cheap picks (Bernal & Johannessen). But high popularity rankings are no guarantee of good scores, as those who owe a high popularity ranking at least in part to Carapaz are about to find out.
 
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