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Stage 19
Green pts
One out of ten, so better than yesterday
You probably remember whether you have O'Connor on your team: if you do, congratulations, you won.
Standings
The top two hang on to their positions despite not having O'Connor; QS at least stays in the top ten without him.
Yellow points
Another day with few changes as far as those we have picked are concerned
Standings
I'm not sure how I got a 5 place rise out of an unspectacular score.
Given the dearth of selected sprinters, if there is to be a change at the top, it is likely to be tomorrow.
If we assume that Vingegaard will get 20 (those yellow jersey bonuses are not available on Sunday), then Postman has 25 points to play with.
Hindley and Johannessen are on both those teams, so are effectively irrelevant. So Amis Velo's only real chance of finding the extra 25 points are whatever stage points Vingegaard might get (up to 80) plus the possibility of some extra category points (likely 5 or 10 for green, but potentially 45 if he takes the Polka dots).
For Postman Hat, S Yates, Rodriguez or Gall are the ones likely to have any significant likelihood of change. Decent stage points for any of them wouldn't be a great surprise. Barring big time losses by Adam Yates or Hindley, it's hard to see them gain extra GC points. Gall could do something significant for another 30 points and the win in the KoM jersey, in which classification S Yates could take another 5 points.
I suspect that, if none of Postman Hat's main 3 have a disaster, it would need at least first or second by Vingagaard, and none of S Yates, Rodriguez or Gall in the top 5, for Amis Velo to make the turnover. But is that unthinkable?
Green pts
One out of ten, so better than yesterday
| MOHORIC Matej | 80 | 0 |
| ASGREEN Kasper | 50 | 0 |
| O'CONNOR Ben | 35 | 23 |
| PHILIPSEN Jasper | 25 | 0 |
| PEDERSEN Mads | 15 | 0 |
| LAPORTE Christophe | 10 | 0 |
| MEZGEC Luka | 5 | 0 |
| BETTIOL Alberto | 3 | 0 |
| TRENTIN Matteo | 2 | 0 |
| PIDCOCK Thomas | 1 | 0 |
You probably remember whether you have O'Connor on your team: if you do, congratulations, you won.
Standings
The top two hang on to their positions despite not having O'Connor; QS at least stays in the top ten without him.
1 | PostmanHat | 580 | 0 |
2 | 18_Valve | 558 | 0 |
3 | Peixotini | 530 | 0 |
4 | Search | 513 | 0 |
5 | DJW | 494 | 0 |
6 | Anderis | 486 | 1 |
7 | ZigZagWanderer | 468 | 1 |
8 | Queen_Stagiare | 458 | -2 |
9 | Rote_Laterne | 455 | 0 |
10 | Titan31 | 443 | 2 |
Yellow points
Another day with few changes as far as those we have picked are concerned
| O'CONNOR Ben | 56 | 23 |
| VINGEGAARD RASMUSSEN Jonas | 15 | 5 |
| ALAPHILIPPE Julian | 6 | 19 |
| IZAGIRRE INSAUSTI Ion | 6 | 1 |
| HAIG Jack | 4 | 3 |
| TEUNS Dylan | -3 | 2 |
| HAMILTON Chris | -4 | 1 |
| WOODS Michael | -4 | 1 |
| BUCHMANN Emanuel | -5 | 2 |
| KELDERMAN Wilco | -5 | 6 |
| MADOUAS Valentin | -5 | 1 |
| MÜHLBERGER Gregor | -5 | 2 |
| LANDA MEANA Mikel | -6 | 4 |
| POELS Wout | -6 | 2 |
| CASTROVIEJO NICOLAS Jonathan | -10 | 1 |
1 | Evans_is_the_Best | 69 | O'Connor and Vingegaard |
2 | Kazistuta | 61 | O'Connor & Alaphilippe |
3 | BluesInTheBottle | 60 | O'Connor & Haig |
3 | Yellow_Knight | 60 | O'Connor & Alaphilippe |
5 | JumboVismaFan | 59 | O'Connor & Alaphilippe |
5 | Peixotini | 59 | O'Connor & Alaphilippe |
5 | ZigZagWanderer | 59 | O'Connor & Alaphilippe |
8 | Marek | 58 | |
8 | Northerner | 58 | |
10 | Berlus | 57 | |
11 | Armchair_Cyclist | 56 | |
12 | ArchieBoy | 55 | |
13 | Devils_Elbow | 54 | |
13 | DJW | 54 | |
13 | Lecko | 54 | |
13 | Madrazo | 54 | |
13 | Rote_Laterne | 54 | |
18 | Anderis | 53 | |
18 | Riverside | 53 | |
18 | Titan31 | 53 | |
21 | Salvarani | 51 | |
22 | Search | 49 | |
23 | Leadbelly | 46 | |
24 | Mellow_Velo | 16 | |
25 | Scrooll07 | 15 | |
26 | AmisVelo | 13 | |
26 | Triley36 | 13 | |
28 | Red_Lobster | 6 | |
29 | 18_Valve | 5 | |
29 | BicycleBoy | 5 | |
31 | Del1962 | 2 | |
31 | Rufs | 2 | |
31 | Vladimir | 2 | |
34 | Bminchow | -2 | |
34 | Comodoro | -2 | |
34 | DJSprtsch | -2 | |
34 | Laarsland | -2 | |
34 | PostmanHat | -2 | |
39 | Tonton | -5 | |
40 | Queen_Stagiare | -7 | |
41 | SamuCuenca | -11 | |
42 | Ricco | -14 | |
43 | RedheadDane | -17 | |
| Collective_Wisdom | 60 | O'Connor & Alaphilippe | |
| Pog_vs_the_World | 0 |
Standings
1 | PostmanHat | 1773 | 0 |
2 | AmisVelo | 1728 | 0 |
3 | Triley36 | 1651 | 0 |
4 | Evans_is_the_Best | 1555 | 0 |
5 | Rote_Laterne | 1521 | 0 |
6 | Scrooll07 | 1467 | 0 |
7 | Mellow_Velo | 1430 | 0 |
8 | ArchieBoy | 1367 | 0 |
9 | DJW | 1363 | 0 |
10 | Peixotini | 1327 | 0 |
11 | Anderis | 1272 | 0 |
12 | 18_Valve | 1215 | 0 |
13 | Titan31 | 1209 | 0 |
14 | Berlus | 1197 | 1 |
15 | Riverside | 1195 | -1 |
16 | Madrazo | 1140 | 2 |
17 | Bminchow | 1122 | -1 |
18 | Devils_Elbow | 1104 | 1 |
19 | Vladimir | 1096 | -2 |
20 | Armchair_Cyclist | 1074 | 5 |
21 | Search | 1073 | 2 |
22 | BicycleBoy | 1055 | -3 |
23 | Rufs | 1046 | -2 |
24 | BluesInTheBottle | 1043 | 4 |
25 | Laarsland | 1034 | -3 |
26 | DJSprtsch | 1022 | -3 |
27 | Del1962 | 1019 | -1 |
28 | Queen_Stagiare | 991 | -1 |
29 | ZigZagWanderer | 965 | 1 |
30 | Leadbelly | 960 | -1 |
31 | SamuCuenca | 832 | 0 |
32 | Ricco | 820 | 0 |
33 | Yellow_Knight | 791 | 0 |
34 | Kazistuta | 785 | 1 |
35 | Salvarani | 780 | -1 |
36 | Northerner | 777 | 0 |
37 | Marek | 767 | 0 |
38 | JumboVismaFan | 743 | 1 |
39 | Lecko | 730 | 1 |
40 | Comodoro | 686 | -2 |
41 | Red_Lobster | 670 | 0 |
42 | Tonton | 462 | 0 |
43 | RedheadDane | 273 | 0 |
| Collective_Wisdom | 1039 | ||
| Pog_vs_the_World | 899 |
I'm not sure how I got a 5 place rise out of an unspectacular score.
Given the dearth of selected sprinters, if there is to be a change at the top, it is likely to be tomorrow.
If we assume that Vingegaard will get 20 (those yellow jersey bonuses are not available on Sunday), then Postman has 25 points to play with.
Hindley and Johannessen are on both those teams, so are effectively irrelevant. So Amis Velo's only real chance of finding the extra 25 points are whatever stage points Vingegaard might get (up to 80) plus the possibility of some extra category points (likely 5 or 10 for green, but potentially 45 if he takes the Polka dots).
For Postman Hat, S Yates, Rodriguez or Gall are the ones likely to have any significant likelihood of change. Decent stage points for any of them wouldn't be a great surprise. Barring big time losses by Adam Yates or Hindley, it's hard to see them gain extra GC points. Gall could do something significant for another 30 points and the win in the KoM jersey, in which classification S Yates could take another 5 points.
I suspect that, if none of Postman Hat's main 3 have a disaster, it would need at least first or second by Vingagaard, and none of S Yates, Rodriguez or Gall in the top 5, for Amis Velo to make the turnover. But is that unthinkable?
Why did I lose 17 points?
Three riders, each with a loss of 5 points, that should be a total of 15! Yes, I do know how to multiple by 5.
I'm doing bad enough already, you don't need to take more points from me!
Three riders, each with a loss of 5 points, that should be a total of 15! Yes, I do know how to multiple by 5.
I'm doing bad enough already, you don't need to take more points from me!
You also have Lutsenko, who dropped from 42nd to 44th on GC, losing another two points.
I don't list all gains and losses: exactly where the cut off comes depends on how many selected riders get what scale of daily differences.
Thanks again for a great analysis Armchair. Watching the stage with 30K to go and Gall Hasn't contested the KOM, but at least Vinge won't take it. At the moment it looks like UAE are pacing him up for a stage win though
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Once again, it looks like your predictions for the best possible scenarios for my team have come to fruition! Vinge rode conservatively and was then pipped on the line by Gall for second, while Yates came fourth. Hopefully that will be enough, assuming Amis doesn't have a sprinter?
Stage 20
The shouting has yet to be done, but barring that...
Green points
On the day
Standings
Postman Hat already had a 22 point lead here, then is top scorer on the day by a healthy margin
Sprinters who are both still in the race and on form are very few and far between: If Girmay wins, 18-Vale could nab this title by 6 points. But much as it would be a popular result (except perhaps with PH), it does not seem a likely one. We seem to be looking at a double victory.
Because...
Yellow points
Rodriguez losing a place on GC 'should' have been fairly catastrophic for Postman Hat, but the place he lost was taken by another of his riders (S Yates, not on AV's team), so no nett loss.
The 1-2 today is the overall 1-2.
Standings
If Vingegaard had taken 2nd from Gall in both the mountains classification and the stage, things would have been different.
If Vingegaard had pedalled the last 10 metres, and Bilbao had taken 10 more seconds on Rodriguez, things would have been different.
If the stage result had been as it was with 50 metres left, things would have been different.
But things are as they are, and look very likely to remain so tomorrow.
The shouting that is lacking to follow tomorrow, but the final update will probably be very late, if not Monday morning, as I am out until late.
Luckily, there is not much suspense left.
If you can't wait, and want to work it out for yourself, here's the spreadsheet
The shouting has yet to be done, but barring that...
Green points
| POGACAR Tadej | 80 | 0 |
| GALL Felix | 50 | 3 |
| VINGEGAARD RASMUSSEN Jonas | 35 | 5 |
| YATES Simon | 25 | 14 |
| YATES Adam | 15 | 0 |
| BARGUIL Warren | 10 | 0 |
| PINOT Thibaut | 5 | 1 |
| BILBAO LOPEZ DE ARMENTIA Pello | 3 | 3 |
| JOHANNESSEN Tobias Halland | 2 | 25 |
| MAJKA Rafal | 1 | 0 |
1 | PostmanHat | 77 | Gall, Yates and Johannessen |
2 | ArchieBoy | 52 | Gall & Johannessen |
2 | Laarsland | 52 | |
4 | AmisVelo | 37 | Vingegaard & Johannessen |
4 | Evans_is_the_Best | 37 | |
4 | Mellow_Velo | 37 | |
4 | Triley36 | 37 | |
8 | Scrooll07 | 35 | Vingegaard |
9 | Yates & Johannessen teams | 27 | |
16 | 6 more Yates teams | 25 |
Postman Hat already had a 22 point lead here, then is top scorer on the day by a healthy margin
1 | PostmanHat | 657 | 0 |
2 | 18_Valve | 583 | 0 |
3 | Peixotini | 557 | 0 |
4 | DJW | 521 | 1 |
5 | Search | 515 | -1 |
6 | Anderis | 491 | 0 |
7 | Rote_Laterne | 482 | 2 |
8 | Evans_is_the_Best | 474 | 3 |
9 | ZigZagWanderer | 470 | -2 |
10 | Queen_Stagiare | 460 | -2 |
Because...
Yellow points
| VINGEGAARD RASMUSSEN Jonas | 65 | 5 |
| YATES Simon | 56 | 14 |
| GALL Felix | 50 | 3 |
| PINOT Thibaut | 15 | 1 |
| TEUNS Dylan | 9 | 2 |
| POELS Wout | 8 | 2 |
| JOHANNESSEN Tobias Halland | 6 | 25 |
| KELDERMAN Wilco | 5 | 6 |
| MADOUAS Valentin | 5 | 1 |
| MÜHLBERGER Gregor | 5 | 2 |
| BUCHMANN Emanuel | -5 | 2 |
| LANDA MEANA Mikel | -5 | 4 |
| ALAPHILIPPE Julian | -8 | 19 |
| GENIETS Kévin | -9 | 0 |
| KWIATKOWSKI Michal | -9 | 4 |
| CASTROVIEJO NICOLAS Jonathan | -10 | 1 |
| RODRIGUEZ CANO Carlos | -30 | 8 |
| KUSS Sepp | -50 | 1 |
1 | PostmanHat | 82 |
2 | AmisVelo | 73 |
3 | Evans_is_the_Best | 71 |
3 | Mellow_Velo | 71 |
5 | DJW | 66 |
6 | Scrooll07 | 65 |
7 | Madrazo | 64 |
7 | Riverside | 64 |
9 | Bminchow | 61 |
10 | Vladimir | 60 |
11 | Armchair_Cyclist | 58 |
11 | BluesInTheBottle | 58 |
13 | Peixotini | 56 |
14 | Laarsland | 45 |
15 | 18_Valve | 39 |
15 | BicycleBoy | 39 |
17 | Rote_Laterne | 34 |
18 | Rufs | 29 |
19 | ArchieBoy | 25 |
20 | Leadbelly | 24 |
21 | Triley36 | 23 |
22 | Del1962 | 21 |
23 | Tonton | 20 |
24 | Anderis | 11 |
25 | RedheadDane | 9 |
26 | Northerner | 8 |
26 | Ricco | 8 |
28 | Lecko | 6 |
29 | Queen_Stagiare | 5 |
29 | Search | 5 |
31 | Salvarani | 4 |
32 | Marek | 2 |
33 | ZigZagWanderer | 0 |
34 | DJSprtsch | -4 |
35 | Comodoro | -5 |
36 | Kazistuta | -6 |
37 | JumboVismaFan | -8 |
37 | Red_Lobster | -8 |
39 | SamuCuenca | -16 |
40 | Yellow_Knight | -17 |
41 | Devils_Elbow | -22 |
41 | Titan31 | -22 |
43 | Berlus | -31 |
| Collective_Wisdom | 28 | |
| Pog_vs_the_World | 80 |
1 | PostmanHat | 82 |
2 | AmisVelo | 73 |
3 | Evans_is_the_Best | 71 |
3 | Mellow_Velo | 71 |
5 | DJW | 66 |
6 | Scrooll07 | 65 |
7 | Madrazo | 64 |
7 | Riverside | 64 |
9 | Bminchow | 61 |
10 | Vladimir | 60 |
11 | Armchair_Cyclist | 58 |
11 | BluesInTheBottle | 58 |
13 | Peixotini | 56 |
14 | Laarsland | 45 |
15 | 18_Valve | 39 |
15 | BicycleBoy | 39 |
17 | Rote_Laterne | 34 |
18 | Rufs | 29 |
19 | ArchieBoy | 25 |
20 | Leadbelly | 24 |
21 | Triley36 | 23 |
22 | Del1962 | 21 |
23 | Tonton | 20 |
24 | Anderis | 11 |
25 | RedheadDane | 9 |
26 | Northerner | 8 |
26 | Ricco | 8 |
28 | Lecko | 6 |
29 | Queen_Stagiare | 5 |
29 | Search | 5 |
31 | Salvarani | 4 |
32 | Marek | 2 |
33 | ZigZagWanderer | 0 |
34 | DJSprtsch | -4 |
35 | Comodoro | -5 |
36 | Kazistuta | -6 |
37 | JumboVismaFan | -8 |
37 | Red_Lobster | -8 |
39 | SamuCuenca | -16 |
40 | Yellow_Knight | -17 |
41 | Devils_Elbow | -22 |
41 | Titan31 | -22 |
43 | Berlus | -31 |
| Collective_Wisdom | 28 | |
| Pog_vs_the_World | 80 |
If Vingegaard had taken 2nd from Gall in both the mountains classification and the stage, things would have been different.
If Vingegaard had pedalled the last 10 metres, and Bilbao had taken 10 more seconds on Rodriguez, things would have been different.
If the stage result had been as it was with 50 metres left, things would have been different.
But things are as they are, and look very likely to remain so tomorrow.
1 | PostmanHat | 1855 | 0 |
2 | AmisVelo | 1801 | 0 |
3 | Triley36 | 1674 | 0 |
4 | Evans_is_the_Best | 1626 | 0 |
5 | Rote_Laterne | 1555 | 0 |
6 | Scrooll07 | 1532 | 0 |
7 | Mellow_Velo | 1501 | 0 |
8 | DJW | 1429 | 1 |
9 | ArchieBoy | 1392 | -1 |
10 | Peixotini | 1383 | 0 |
11 | Anderis | 1283 | 0 |
12 | Riverside | 1259 | 3 |
13 | 18_Valve | 1254 | -1 |
14 | Madrazo | 1204 | 2 |
15 | Titan31 | 1187 | -2 |
16 | Bminchow | 1183 | 1 |
17 | Berlus | 1166 | -3 |
18 | Vladimir | 1156 | 1 |
19 | Armchair_Cyclist | 1132 | 1 |
20 | BluesInTheBottle | 1101 | 4 |
21 | BicycleBoy | 1094 | 1 |
22 | Devils_Elbow | 1082 | -4 |
23 | Laarsland | 1079 | 2 |
24 | Search | 1078 | -3 |
25 | Rufs | 1075 | -2 |
26 | Del1962 | 1040 | 1 |
27 | DJSprtsch | 1018 | -1 |
28 | Queen_Stagiare | 996 | 0 |
29 | Leadbelly | 984 | 1 |
30 | ZigZagWanderer | 965 | -1 |
31 | Ricco | 828 | 1 |
32 | SamuCuenca | 816 | -1 |
33 | Northerner | 785 | 3 |
34 | Salvarani | 784 | 1 |
35 | Kazistuta | 779 | -1 |
36 | Yellow_Knight | 774 | -3 |
37 | Marek | 769 | 0 |
38 | Lecko | 736 | 1 |
39 | JumboVismaFan | 735 | -1 |
40 | Comodoro | 681 | 0 |
41 | Red_Lobster | 662 | 0 |
42 | Tonton | 482 | 0 |
43 | RedheadDane | 282 | 0 |
| Collective_Wisdom | 1067 | ||
| Pog_vs_the_World | 979 |
The shouting that is lacking to follow tomorrow, but the final update will probably be very late, if not Monday morning, as I am out until late.
Luckily, there is not much suspense left.
If you can't wait, and want to work it out for yourself, here's the spreadsheet
Even though I picked Vingegaard, I'm glad that the win is going to someone that didn't choose him. I just think there's more skill involved in building a team around 4 or 5 GC contenders than just dropping the entire budget on some guy everyone knows is going to finish in the top 2 of the GC.
Stage 21
And that is that. And thoroughly inconsequential it was too (the last stage, not the entire race)
Green points
For the second time in three days, one rider saves us from the collective ignominy of having a third entirely pointless day
As to standings on the day, if you can't remember whether you have Girmay in your team, it will probably be evident from the rises in position.
Final Green standings
Most of the teams with Girmay get a small boost to their final position.
Yellow points
There was one change in GC position, but that below the top 50, so both riders involved get 20 finisher points regardless. Ciccone's single KoM point doesn't gain him anything here, and Vingegaard's not getting the yellow jersey points on the final stage is partially offset by the fact that green points were cancelled, so he wasn't overtaken by Meeus to lose 5 points.
That's it.
Final standings
Postman Hat completes the Green/Yellow double; Amis Velo recovers from last in the Giro game to be second here, and TRiley who was second in the Giro takes another GT podium. Rote Laterne, who uniquely went for the Evenepoel big spend in the Giro, is the only manager other than our winner to beat any of the five who went big with Vingegaard here.
If I had realised that there was so little to report on in the final update, I could have done it last night.
Thanks to all who joined in, congratulations to Postman Hat and those who shared the higher places in the game with him, and hope to see you all for La Vuelta in about a month's time.
And that is that. And thoroughly inconsequential it was too (the last stage, not the entire race)
Green points
For the second time in three days, one rider saves us from the collective ignominy of having a third entirely pointless day
| MEEUS Jordi | 80 | 0 |
| PHILIPSEN Jasper | 50 | 0 |
| GROENEWEGEN Dylan | 35 | 0 |
| PEDERSEN Mads | 25 | 0 |
| BOL Cees | 15 | 0 |
| GIRMAY HAILU Biniam | 10 | 14 |
| COQUARD Bryan | 5 | 0 |
| WAERENSKJOLD Søren | 3 | 0 |
| STRONG Corbin | 2 | 0 |
| MOZZATO Luca | 1 | 0 |
As to standings on the day, if you can't remember whether you have Girmay in your team, it will probably be evident from the rises in position.
Final Green standings
Most of the teams with Girmay get a small boost to their final position.
1 | PostmanHat | 657 | 0 |
2 | 18_Valve | 593 | 0 |
3 | Peixotini | 567 | 0 |
4 | Search | 525 | 1 |
5 | DJW | 521 | -1 |
6 | Anderis | 491 | 0 |
7 | Rote_Laterne | 482 | 0 |
8 | ZigZagWanderer | 480 | 1 |
9 | Evans_is_the_Best | 474 | -1 |
10 | Riverside | 466 | 1 |
11 | Queen_Stagiare | 460 | -1 |
12 | Titan31 | 455 | 1 |
13 | AmisVelo | 447 | -1 |
14 | ArchieBoy | 440 | 0 |
15 | DJSprtsch | 432 | 1 |
16 | Scrooll07 | 424 | -1 |
17 | Triley36 | 422 | -1 |
18 | Madrazo | 421 | 0 |
19 | Vladimir | 407 | 0 |
20 | BicycleBoy | 393 | 0 |
21 | Mellow_Velo | 374 | 1 |
22 | Bminchow | 373 | 1 |
23 | Laarsland | 365 | -2 |
24 | Armchair_Cyclist | 362 | 0 |
25 | Berlus | 353 | 0 |
26 | Red_Lobster | 346 | 0 |
27 | Devils_Elbow | 340 | 0 |
28 | BluesInTheBottle | 339 | 0 |
29 | Kazistuta | 338 | 0 |
30 | Yellow_Knight | 316 | 1 |
31 | Ricco | 315 | 2 |
32 | Del1962 | 314 | -2 |
33 | Leadbelly | 306 | -2 |
34 | Rufs | 285 | 2 |
35 | Marek | 280 | -1 |
35 | Northerner | 280 | -1 |
37 | Tonton | 275 | -1 |
38 | Lecko | 267 | 0 |
39 | SamuCuenca | 256 | 0 |
40 | JumboVismaFan | 244 | 0 |
41 | Salvarani | 212 | 0 |
42 | Comodoro | 197 | 0 |
43 | RedheadDane | 45 | 0 |
| Collective_Wisdom | 421 | ||
| Pog_vs_the_World | 369 |
Yellow points
There was one change in GC position, but that below the top 50, so both riders involved get 20 finisher points regardless. Ciccone's single KoM point doesn't gain him anything here, and Vingegaard's not getting the yellow jersey points on the final stage is partially offset by the fact that green points were cancelled, so he wasn't overtaken by Meeus to lose 5 points.
| GIRMAY HAILU Biniam | 10 | 14 |
Final standings
Postman Hat completes the Green/Yellow double; Amis Velo recovers from last in the Giro game to be second here, and TRiley who was second in the Giro takes another GT podium. Rote Laterne, who uniquely went for the Evenepoel big spend in the Giro, is the only manager other than our winner to beat any of the five who went big with Vingegaard here.
1 | PostmanHat | 1855 | 0 |
2 | AmisVelo | 1801 | 0 |
3 | Triley36 | 1674 | 0 |
4 | Evans_is_the_Best | 1626 | 0 |
5 | Rote_Laterne | 1555 | 0 |
6 | Scrooll07 | 1532 | 0 |
7 | Mellow_Velo | 1511 | 0 |
8 | DJW | 1429 | 0 |
9 | Peixotini | 1393 | 1 |
10 | ArchieBoy | 1392 | -1 |
11 | Anderis | 1283 | 0 |
12 | Riverside | 1269 | 0 |
13 | 18_Valve | 1264 | 0 |
14 | Madrazo | 1204 | 0 |
15 | Titan31 | 1197 | 0 |
16 | Bminchow | 1193 | 0 |
17 | Berlus | 1166 | 0 |
18 | Vladimir | 1156 | 0 |
19 | Armchair_Cyclist | 1132 | 0 |
20 | BicycleBoy | 1104 | 1 |
21 | BluesInTheBottle | 1101 | -1 |
22 | Search | 1088 | 2 |
23 | Rufs | 1085 | 2 |
24 | Devils_Elbow | 1082 | -2 |
25 | Laarsland | 1079 | -2 |
26 | Del1962 | 1040 | 0 |
27 | DJSprtsch | 1028 | 0 |
28 | Queen_Stagiare | 996 | 0 |
29 | Leadbelly | 984 | 0 |
30 | ZigZagWanderer | 975 | 0 |
31 | Ricco | 838 | 0 |
32 | SamuCuenca | 816 | 0 |
33 | Northerner | 785 | 0 |
34 | Salvarani | 784 | 0 |
35 | Yellow_Knight | 784 | 1 |
36 | Kazistuta | 779 | -1 |
37 | Marek | 769 | 0 |
38 | JumboVismaFan | 745 | 1 |
39 | Lecko | 736 | -1 |
40 | Comodoro | 681 | 0 |
41 | Red_Lobster | 662 | 0 |
42 | Tonton | 482 | 0 |
43 | RedheadDane | 282 | 0 |
| Collective_Wisdom | 1072 | ||
| Pog_vs_the_World | 979 |
If I had realised that there was so little to report on in the final update, I could have done it last night.
Thanks to all who joined in, congratulations to Postman Hat and those who shared the higher places in the game with him, and hope to see you all for La Vuelta in about a month's time.
Agreed, though I like that the game can be balanced between teams that choose the two different tactics.
Vingegaard took yellow fairly early, and so clocked up a large number (300) of those bonuses for his teams: without any yellow bonuses, we would have had this top 13 (to include all the Vingeteams), which I guess proves mainly that the bonuses were the thing that prevented a massive winning margin.
1 | PostmanHat | 1835 |
2 | Rote_Laterne | 1535 |
3 | AmisVelo | 1481 |
4 | DJW | 1409 |
5 | ArchieBoy | 1392 |
6 | Triley36 | 1374 |
7 | Peixotini | 1373 |
8 | Evans_is_the_Best | 1326 |
9 | Anderis | 1263 |
10 | Riverside | 1249 |
11 | 18_Valve | 1244 |
12 | Scrooll07 | 1232 |
13 | Mellow_Velo | 1211 |
Riders' contributions
Best value riders
Green points
Impeccable picks
Best possible team
Usual disclaimers apply: I don't know why it has misaligned some entries
That group would have had 832 green points.
If this is indeed the best possible team, then Postman Hat has 83.6 % of the best possible, which is historically very high.
Best possible Green points team
Would have scored 1726 points for the main game.
Collective Ignorance team
At least this team wouldn't have won this time.
DNF effect
Price of riders that didn't finish, minus the stage points that they did get, in game finishing order.
Red Lobster, the team that more than any other looked focused on the green jersey (Jacobsen, Cavendish, Bauhaus and Sagan) only brings 3 riders to Paris.
Here is the spreadsheet: let us know if you find anything else interesting.
| VINGEGAARD RASMUSSEN Jonas | 1217 points | 5 |
| POGACAR Tadej | 859 | 0 |
| YATES Adam | 590 | 0 |
| PHILIPSEN Jasper | 570 | 0 |
| YATES Simon | 478 | 14 |
| BILBAO LOPEZ DE ARMENTIA Pello | 423 | 3 |
| GALL Felix | 420 | 3 |
| RODRIGUEZ CANO Carlos | 376 | 8 |
| HINDLEY Jai | 370 | 33 |
| PEDERSEN Mads | 226 | 0 |
| GAUDU David | 199 | 0 |
| PINOT Thibaut | 190 | 1 |
| VAN AERT Wout | 189 | 0 |
| CICCONE Giulio | 175 | 5 |
| MARTIN Guillaume | 171 | 0 |
| PIDCOCK Thomas | 161 | 0 |
| ASGREEN Kasper | 160 | 0 |
| O'CONNOR Ben | 158 | 23 |
| GROENEWEGEN Dylan | 148 | 0 |
| KUSS Sepp | 145 | 1 |
| MOHORIC Matej | 138 | 0 |
| POELS Wout | 135 | 2 |
| BURGAUDEAU Mathieu | 134 | 0 |
| WOODS Michael | 128 | 1 |
| BAUHAUS Phil | 125 | 7 |
| MEEUS Jordi | 125 | 0 |
| COQUARD Bryan | 124 | 0 |
| JOHANNESSEN Tobias Halland | 116 | 25 |
| MAJKA Rafal | 114 | 0 |
| KWIATKOWSKI Michal | 107 | 4 |
| IZAGIRRE INSAUSTI Ion | 106 | 1 |
| CASTROVIEJO NICOLAS Jonathan | 100 | 1 |
| HARPER Chris | 99 | 0 |
| BUCHMANN Emanuel | 92 | 2 |
| LANDA MEANA Mikel | 92 | 4 |
| LAFAY Victor | 90 | 0 |
| BENOOT Tiesj | 86 | 0 |
| EWAN Caleb | 85 | 0 |
| KELDERMAN Wilco | 83 | 6 |
| BARGUIL Warren | 78 | 0 |
| SKJELMOSE JENSEN Mattias | 76 | 1 |
| CAVENDISH Mark | 75 | 15 |
| BERTHET Clément | 74 | 0 |
| ZIMMERMANN Georg | 74 | 0 |
| MADOUAS Valentin | 72 | 1 |
| EENKHOORN Pascal | 70 | 0 |
| LATOUR Pierre | 70 | 1 |
| VAN GILS Maxim | 70 | 0 |
Best value riders
| KWIATKOWSKI Michal | 117.6 % return | 4 teams |
| GALL Felix | 75.3 | 3 |
| JOHANNESSEN Tobias Halland | 73.0 | 25 |
| POELS Wout | 70.7 | 2 |
| ABRAHAMSEN Jonas | 70.5 | 0 |
| PETIT Adrien | 66.7 | 2 |
| CRADDOCK Lawson | 61.6 | 0 |
| OSS Daniel | 57.1 | 2 |
| GOGL Michael | 55.6 | 8 |
| HINDLEY Jai | 55.3 | 33 |
| ASGREEN Kasper | 55.0 | 0 |
| YATES Simon | 54.9 | 14 |
| MAJKA Rafal | 53.3 | 0 |
| BURGAUDEAU Mathieu | 51.7 | 0 |
| AMADOR BIKKAZAKOVA Andrey | 51.3 | 1 |
| RODRIGUEZ CANO Carlos | 50.1 | 8 |
| HARPER Chris | 49.5 | 0 |
| REINDERS Elmar | 48.8 | 0 |
| VINGEGAARD RASMUSSEN Jonas | 45.3 | 5 |
| BILBAO LOPEZ DE ARMENTIA Pello | 44.5 | 3 |
| DEVENYNS Dries | 44.4 | 0 |
| JUUL JENSEN Christopher | 44.4 | 0 |
| KUSS Sepp | 42.5 | 1 |
| LAENGEN Vegard Stake | 40.0 | 0 |
| BAUHAUS Phil | 38.9 | 7 |
| YATES Adam | 38.5 | 0 |
| CASTROVIEJO NICOLAS Jonathan | 37.5 | 1 |
| MOSCON Gianni | 35.7 | 2 |
| LOPEZ PEREZ Juan Pedro | 33.3 | 12 |
Green points
| PHILIPSEN Jasper | 470 pts for green | 0 teams |
| POGACAR Tadej | 369 | 0 |
| VINGEGAARD RASMUSSEN Jonas | 267 | 5 |
| VAN AERT Wout | 189 | 0 |
| GALL Felix | 170 | 3 |
| BILBAO LOPEZ DE ARMENTIA Pello | 161 | 3 |
| PEDERSEN Mads | 156 | 0 |
| YATES Simon | 147 | 14 |
| ASGREEN Kasper | 130 | 0 |
| YATES Adam | 130 | 0 |
| GROENEWEGEN Dylan | 128 | 0 |
| BAUHAUS Phil | 125 | 7 |
| HINDLEY Jai | 117 | 33 |
| MOHORIC Matej | 115 | 0 |
| WOODS Michael | 105 | 1 |
| MEEUS Jordi | 100 | 0 |
| LAFAY Victor | 90 | 0 |
| BURGAUDEAU Mathieu | 87 | 0 |
| RODRIGUEZ CANO Carlos | 86 | 8 |
| EWAN Caleb | 85 | 0 |
| KWIATKOWSKI Michal | 83 | 4 |
| IZAGIRRE INSAUSTI Ion | 80 | 1 |
| POELS Wout | 80 | 2 |
| CAVENDISH Mark | 75 | 15 |
| O'CONNOR Ben | 70 | 23 |
| COQUARD Bryan | 69 | 0 |
| JOHANNESSEN Tobias Halland | 62 | 25 |
| JORGENSON Matteo | 60 | 1 |
| CICCONE Giulio | 50 | 5 |
| EENKHOORN Pascal | 50 | 0 |
| LATOUR Pierre | 50 | 1 |
| PINOT Thibaut | 50 | 1 |
| VAN GILS Maxim | 50 | 0 |
| ZIMMERMANN Georg | 50 | 0 |
Impeccable picks
| VINGEGAARD RASMUSSEN Jonas |
| YATES Adam |
| YATES Simon |
| GALL Felix |
| ASGREEN Kasper |
| POELS Wout |
| JOHANNESSEN Tobias Halland |
| KWIATKOWSKI Michal |
| ABRAHAMSEN Jonas |
| CRADDOCK Lawson |
| PETIT Adrien |
Best possible team
Usual disclaimers apply: I don't know why it has misaligned some entries
| Price | Points | Teams | |
| YATES Simon | 870 | 478 | 14 |
| GALL Felix | 558 | 420 | 3 |
| RODRIGUEZ CANO Carlos | 751 | 376 | 8 |
| HINDLEY Jai | 669 | 370 | 33 |
| ASGREEN Kasper | 291 | 160 | 0 |
| KUSS Sepp | 341 | 145 | 1 |
| POELS Wout | 191 | 135 | 2 |
| BURGAUDEAU Mathieu | 259 | 134 | 0 |
| Totals | 3930 | 2218 | 61 |
If this is indeed the best possible team, then Postman Hat has 83.6 % of the best possible, which is historically very high.
Best possible Green points team
| Price | Green (stage) pts | teams | |
| PHILIPSEN Jasper | 1877 | 470 | 0 |
| GALL Felix | 558 | 170 | 3 |
| ASGREEN Kasper | 291 | 130 | 0 |
| BAUHAUS Phil | 321 | 125 | 7 |
| BURGAUDEAU Mathieu | 259 | 87 | 0 |
| KWIATKOWSKI Michal | 91 | 83 | 4 |
| POELS Wout | 191 | 80 | 2 |
| CAVENDISH Mark | 329 | 75 | 15 |
| Totals | 3917 | 1220 | 31 |
Collective Ignorance team
| YATES Adam | 1533 | 590 |
| GAUDU David | 1161 | 199 |
| ASGREEN Kasper | 291 | 160 |
| BURGAUDEAU Mathieu | 259 | 134 |
| MAJKA Rafal | 214 | 114 |
| HARPER Chris | 200 | 99 |
| GROSSSCHARTNER Felix | 207 | 63 |
| ABRAHAMSEN Jonas | 78 | 55 |
| Totals | 3943 | 1414 |
At least this team wouldn't have won this time.
DNF effect
Price of riders that didn't finish, minus the stage points that they did get, in game finishing order.
| PostmanHat | 2 | 860 |
| AmisVelo | 1 | 128 |
| Triley36 | 1 | 254 |
| Evans_is_the_Best | 2 | 274 |
| Rote_Laterne | 1 | 606 |
| Scrooll07 | 2 | 382 |
| Mellow_Velo | 1 | 20 |
| DJW | 1 | 254 |
| Peixotini | 1 | 196 |
| ArchieBoy | 0 | 0 |
| Anderis | 1 | 606 |
| Riverside | 1 | 723 |
| 18_Valve | 3 | 1056 |
| Madrazo | 2 | 1329 |
| Titan31 | 2 | 860 |
| Bminchow | 1 | 606 |
| Berlus | 1 | 254 |
| Vladimir | 2 | 860 |
| Armchair_Cyclist | 2 | 1329 |
| BicycleBoy | 1 | 606 |
| BluesInTheBottle | 3 | 1172 |
| Search | 2 | 382 |
| Rufs | 0 | 0 |
| Devils_Elbow | 2 | 1152 |
| Laarsland | 2 | 883 |
| Del1962 | 3 | 1406 |
| DJSprtsch | 3 | 1457 |
| Queen_Stagiare | 3 | 1483 |
| Leadbelly | 1 | 606 |
| ZigZagWanderer | 2 | 1020 |
| Ricco | 2 | 860 |
| SamuCuenca | 0 | 0 |
| Northerner | 2 | 1756 |
| Salvarani | 0 | 0 |
| Yellow_Knight | 1 | 606 |
| Kazistuta | 3 | 1525 |
| Marek | 2 | 1329 |
| JumboVismaFan | 1 | 184 |
| Lecko | 1 | 723 |
| Comodoro | 2 | 734 |
| Red_Lobster | 5 | 2056 |
| Tonton | 4 | 1779 |
| RedheadDane | 2 | 1083 |
| Collective_Wisdom | 2 | 860 |
| Pog_vs_the_World | 1 | 20 |
Here is the spreadsheet: let us know if you find anything else interesting.
And, of course, thanks to CQ and PCS, without whom I wouldn't be able to do any of this.
Congrats to PostmanHat, AmisVelo and Triley36 for their podium finishes and thanks to Armchair Cyclist for hosting the game as usual.
Bring on the Vuelta.
Bring on the Vuelta.
Chapeau to the winner PostmanHat and a big thanks Armchair cyclist for again taking the time to run this game!
I must have been the Alaphilippe of this game, breaking away once the road went uphill, only to fade quickly, steadily drop back and roll in in the midfield when the finish came.
Big congratulations to our winner who achieved it withouthout Vingegaard.
Also thanks to AC and all the other participants, hope to see you and more at the Vuelta game (although I must admit I lost quite some interest for the acutal race after the ITT).
Also thanks to AC and all the other participants, hope to see you and more at the Vuelta game (although I must admit I lost quite some interest for the acutal race after the ITT).
The Vuelta is going to be awesome to watch. But I think Vingo might be officially out of reach to draft now.
Yeah... for the Vuelta game I'm (probably) just gonna go back to the RNG.
I clearly don't know what I'm doing in this!
I clearly don't know what I'm doing in this!
He will be affordable (currently due to cost 2673 out of a budget of 3500), but whether it will be worth >3/4 of a team budget on him is a decision each manager must make.
Thanks so much AC for running the game!
Really added to my enjoyment of The Tour this time, when I probably would have lost interest after the TT otherwise. Gall ended up making the difference, doing much better than anticipated in terms of GC, and wasn't expecting so many stage placings from Yates.
Always have teams with a relatively even points distribution in case of misfortune (Carapaz, Cavendish this time), but that policy looks like being challenged by the Vuelta startlist.
Really added to my enjoyment of The Tour this time, when I probably would have lost interest after the TT otherwise. Gall ended up making the difference, doing much better than anticipated in terms of GC, and wasn't expecting so many stage placings from Yates.
Always have teams with a relatively even points distribution in case of misfortune (Carapaz, Cavendish this time), but that policy looks like being challenged by the Vuelta startlist.
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