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Netserk said:
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Am I the only one to whom this is shown as an empty post. Based on the post by @Unterlenkerfahrend I suppose it had something to do with the 1998 stage?

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2010 stage was alright.
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It was but they didn't even use the hard side of Madeleine that year. The only two times in recent history (with which I mean, since I'm watching the Tour) the south side was used was in 2013 with 3 climbs still to come after it, and 2020 with only one climb to come after it, but that climb being the Col de la Loze
 
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Mayomaniac said:
If the crossed over into Italy before the Agnel would also be a great Pass, maybe even with a short uphill finish in Saint-Veran.
The Izoard is probably a bit underrated as a pass, from South with an uphill finish in Briancon is a great stage.
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Are there rumors of a passage into Italy?

I know of a nice looking observatory above Saint-Veran that's on my wishlist of things I'll never see.
 
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I think Col de la Loze seems fairly likely next year. And as a MTF, not a pass. Especially if they do the Alps the last week.

Perhaps it could be followed by a last mountain stage to Morzine ending via Joux-Plane?

Also hoping for a big southern Alps stage, but that is perhaps more likely if they enter the Alps from the north? Especially if they were to include Bonette?
 
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OlavEH said:
I think Col de la Loze seems fairly likely next year. And as a MTF, not a pass. Especially if they do the Alps the last week.
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Yeah, I even think it;s highly likely.

I hope (but don;t think) they will use it as a pass, but from the other (Courchevel) side. I don't like the Méribel side... but it's good for meaningless hype, I guess.

I suppose it could work as a Unipuerto type stage in between harder mountain stages. But yeah, probably another queen stage MTF type of deal...
 
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18-Valve. (pithy) said:
Yeah, I even think it;s highly likely.

I hope (but don;t think) they will use it as a pass, but from the other (Courchevel) side. I don't like the Méribel side... but it's good for meaningless hype, I guess.

I suppose it could work as an Unipuerto type stage in between harder mountain stages. But yeah, probably another queen stage MTF type of deal...
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How is the road from the Courchevel side? Did they fix both sides a couple of years ago, or just from Meribel? And how it is different from Courchevel making that side better?

I think a couple of mountain stages ending with a climb like Col de la Loze is okay. A finish at Tourmalet/Plateau de Beille/Ventoux and Loze would be okay if the rest of the mountain stages were properly designed and encouraging long range attacks. But knowing ASO, that probably won't happen.
 
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18-Valve. (pithy) said:
Yeah, I even think it;s highly likely.

I hope (but don;t think) they will use it as a pass, but from the other (Courchevel) side. I don't like the Méribel side... but it's good for meaningless hype, I guess.

I suppose it could work as a Unipuerto type stage in between harder mountain stages. But yeah, probably another queen stage MTF type of deal...
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I think it will only be used again with a finish nearby, so I think the best use is to do it 1½ times with the finish at Méribel.

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How is the road from the Courchevel side? Did they fix both sides a couple of years ago, or just from Meribel? And how it is different from Courchevel making that side better?

I think a couple of mountain stages ending with a climb like Col de la Loze is okay. A finish at Tourmalet/Plateau de Beille/Ventoux and Loze would be okay if the rest of the mountain stages were properly designed and encouraging long range attacks. But knowing ASO, that probably won't happen.
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Similar road (bike path).

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OlavEH said:
How is the road from the Courchevel side? Did they fix both sides a couple of years ago, or just from Meribel? And how it is different from Courchevel making that side better?

I think a couple of mountain stages ending with a climb like Col de la Loze is okay. A finish at Tourmalet/Plateau de Beille/Ventoux and Loze would be okay if the rest of the mountain stages were properly designed and encouraging long range attacks. But knowing ASO, that probably won't happen.
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They did both sides, so it's definitely doable. Courchevel side is 4,5km longer with 1% lower average gradient and less steep ramps (also uglier because it goes through the ski resort). Descent to Meribel would be interesting because very technical but I don't think they'll do that, they'll want a MTT for epicness.
 
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Unterlenkerfahrend said:
They did both sides, so it's definitely doable. Courchevel side is 4,5km longer with 1% lower average gradient and less steep ramps (also uglier because it goes through the ski resort). Descent to Meribel would be interesting because very technical but I don't think they'll do that, they'll want a MTT for epicness.
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Thanks. The best version of using Col de la Loze would of course be as someone suggested yesterday; Madeleine, Loze as a pass and then a finish at Courchevel-La Tania or even Pralognan la Vanoise. Still, I would be satisfied if the last two mountain stages were Loze as a MTF followed by a big last stage to Morzine via Joux-Plane.
 
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OlavEH said:
I think Col de la Loze seems fairly likely next year. And as a MTF, not a pass. Especially if they do the Alps the last week.

Perhaps it could be followed by a last mountain stage to Morzine ending via Joux-Plane?

Also hoping for a big southern Alps stage, but that is perhaps more likely if they enter the Alps from the north? Especially if they were to include Bonette?
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I'd think the big southern Alpine stage comes on the final stage of 2024, with the finish in Nice. No ceremonial stage then
 
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Jan the Man said:
Joux-Plane returning would not go amiss- maybe with the Joux-Verte and a couple of
Other climbs in that area which are rarely used.
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Joux Plane - Joux Verte is up there with the sequences of climbs I most want to see in a Grand Tour. It's basically a poor mans Fedaia - Podoi but you know, if a mansion is a poor mans castle I'd still take it over college dorms.
 
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Gigs_98 said:
Joux Plane - Joux Verte is up there with the sequences of climbs I most want to see in a Grand Tour. It's basically a poor mans Fedaia - Podoi but you know, if a mansion is a poor mans castle I'd still take it over college dorms.
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Should the stage end in Avoriaz or descend to Morzine? I would be satisfied if they did the same sequence of climbs as in the 2006 Tour.
Red Rick said:
Don't love Joux Plane honestly.

Climb I really wanna see back is Port de Paillheres.
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Joux-Plane is one of the far better climbs in the Alps that they are proned to using. Rather than AdH, a Galibier descent finish or all of these 20 km, 6 % climbs. Besides Granon (which won't be used next year again) and Loze as a pass (which won't happen), Joux Plane and the Romme/Colomiere combo are two of the better mountain stages that could happen in the Alps.

Agree on Pailheres. Hope we'll see that Pailheres - Bonascre combo.
 
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