Still some hope that they will finish in plateau de beille.
Where do you see hope for Plateau de Beille? I want to see it too. Stage 6?
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Still some hope that they will finish in plateau de beille.
Ehm... Before people derailed the thread with Remco vs Pog+Vinge there were actually many decent posts concerning the route. Perhaps you can scroll bac
I heard some rumours, let's see.Where do you see hope for Plateau de Beille? I want to see it too. Stage 6?
The 27th, a Thursday.When is the official presentation of the 2023 route?
The 27th, a Thursday.
And btw, what constitutes a balanced route?
And btw, what constitutes a balanced route?
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A good GT route woudn't contain so much ITT that you pretty much eliminated all chances for the more typical climbers.
A balanced route would indeed eliminate all chances for the typical climbers. I see a lot of people have been indoctrinated over the years to think a balanced route is about HC climbs one after the other. For decades now routes have not been balanced but have been favoring climbers who could do or cared about little else. Typical climbers don't bother much getting better at TT. Typical climbers don't bother much with classic style stages. A balanced route would give all-round riders a big advantage over typical climbers. That's about as close to the definition of balance as you are going to get, that it favors somebody who is good on all fronts. Not just very good at one thing.
I don't know if many people here have actually been to France, but i think about 80% of the country is flat. Yet many people expect the Tour de France to revolve completely around the HC climbs.
As said earlier. A balanced route would give fairly equal chances to riders like Dumoulin and Bernal if these two matched up in peak shape. Even better allround riders like Pog and Vingegaard woud have beaten both of them with several minutes.A balanced route would indeed eliminate all chances for the typical climbers. I see a lot of people have been indoctrinated over the years to think a balanced route is about HC climbs one after the other. For decades now routes have not been balanced but have been favoring climbers who could do or cared about little else. Typical climbers don't bother much getting better at TT. Typical climbers don't bother much with classic style stages. A balanced route would give all-round riders a big advantage over typical climbers. That's about as close to the definition of balance as you are going to get, that it favors somebody who is good on all fronts. Not just very good at one thing.
Bernal is not the most one-dimensional of climbers. Dumoulin could outclimb most typical climbers on his best days. So that statement doesn't say much. I don't think Vingegaard is a true allrounder unless you consider Froome an allrounder as well. He is a typical GT rider. Being good at climbing and TT'ing isn't enough to make you a real allrounder imho. There is more to racing a bike than TTs and climbing.As said earlier. A balanced route would give fairly equal chances to riders like Dumoulin and Bernal if these two matched up in peak shape. Even better allround riders like Pog and Vingegaard woud have beaten both of them with several minutes.
View: https://mobile.twitter.com/ammattipyoraily/status/1580096679805874176
Not much of anything, but the depart for the final stage to Paris is from the Velodrome National.
View: https://mobile.twitter.com/ammattipyoraily/status/1580096679805874176
Not much of anything, but the depart for the final stage to Paris is from the Velodrome National.
Tonight, finally some new rumours were published by some French Newspapers. Velowire's overview has been updated tonight as well:
R2 lu. 17 juillet 2023 repos
16 ma. 18 juillet 2023 Les Gets Saint-Gervais Mont Blanc
17 me. 19 juillet 2023 ??? ???
18 je. 20 juillet 2023 ??? Bourg-en-Bresse ???
19 ve. 21 juillet 2023 ??? Le Grand Ballon ??
20 sa. 22 juillet 2023 Belfort ou Montbéliard ??? ???
21 di. 23 juillet 2023 Vélodrome National de Saint-Quentin-en-Yvelines Paris Champs-Elysées
They could approach Grand Ballon much better than the women did by doing it twice with a 31 km loop in the end.according to this article
Ain : le Tour de France 2023 passera deux fois dans le département
Le Tour de France retourne dans l'Ain en 2023. Une étape devrait se dérouler dans le département le 14 juillet prochain.www.radioscoop.com
stage 19 Bourg-en-Bresse finish
stage 20 start in Montbéliard is highly likely. So the likely Grand Ballon MTF stage will be on Saturday - as anyone and their grandma could have predicted.
Could be soft and short with the just softest side of Ballon d'Alsace, Bussang (not really a climb), and Gd Ballon.
Could also be ~200 kms in length. Something like
Ballon d'Alsace south (2nd cat.)
Col de la Schlucht via Col des Feignes (2nd)
Petit Ballon (1st)
Platzerwasel (1st)
Grand Ballon via Geishouse (HC)
So that would mean no stage 20 TT? Man I hope this is true. A long ITT early in the third week and then one final mountain stage would make for a genuinely great Tour route.according to this article
Ain : le Tour de France 2023 passera deux fois dans le département
Le Tour de France retourne dans l'Ain en 2023. Une étape devrait se dérouler dans le département le 14 juillet prochain.www.radioscoop.com
stage 19 Bourg-en-Bresse finish
stage 20 start in Montbéliard is highly likely. So the likely Grand Ballon MTF stage will be on Saturday - as anyone and their grandma could have predicted.
Could be soft and short with the just softest side of Ballon d'Alsace, Bussang (not really a climb), and Gd Ballon.
Could also be ~200 kms in length. Something like
Ballon d'Alsace south (2nd cat.)
Col de la Schlucht via Col des Feignes (2nd)
Petit Ballon (1st)
Platzerwasel (1st)
Grand Ballon via Geishouse (HC)
So that would mean no stage 20 TT? Man I hope this is true. A long ITT early in the third week and then one final mountain stage would make for a genuinely great Tour route.
Weird that we still have no idea on what the TT will be. I do hope that stage 16 starting from Les Gets means it will be stage 15 that heads into Morzine, Grand Colombier MTF > Courchevel via Loze > Morzine would be great pacing.
The stages in the Alps and the Gd Colombier stage could be light on (big) climbs, though...